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		<title>By: Zizka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6024</link>
		<dc:creator>Zizka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halmos could be pretty funny even in math.  His Naive Set Theory ends something like:&quot;Nothing includes everything.  Or, to put it more dramatically, there is no universe&quot;.This could have been said much more flatly, something like &#039;There is no set which includes all sets, so it is an error to speak of &quot;the universe of discourse&quot;&#039;. P.S. I&#039;m faking the math, so maybe there&#039;s a better paraphrase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Halmos could be pretty funny even in math.  His Naive Set Theory ends something like:&#8220;Nothing includes everything.  Or, to put it more dramatically, there is no universe&#8221;.This could have been said much more flatly, something like &#8216;There is no set which includes all sets, so it is an error to speak of &#8220;the universe of discourse&#8221;&#8217;. P.S. I&#8217;m faking the math, so maybe there&#8217;s a better paraphrase.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6023</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One anecdote not in Bell&#039;s compilation is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://mathforum.org/epigone/historia_matematica/hulkexpil&quot;&gt;Paul Halmos&#039;s circular reference to a fellow mathematician&lt;/a&gt; in a classic textbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One anecdote not in Bell&#8217;s compilation is the <a href="http://mathforum.org/epigone/historia_matematica/hulkexpil">Paul Halmos&#8217;s circular reference to a fellow mathematician</a> in a classic textbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Zizka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6022</link>
		<dc:creator>Zizka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always believed that Borges&#039; peculiar list was derived from the Buddhist list of 100 Dharmas, which was supposed to include all the important factors in reality. A sample of these:Ipseity, Spatiality, Otherwiseness, Time, Speed, Differentiation of species, Life-force, Concrete Form Analyzed to the Minutest Extent, Taste, Tongue, Tasting-consciousness, Torpor, Restlessness, Envy, Stupidity, Desire, Volition, Focusing, Sensory Contact.http://www.hm.tyg.jp/~acmuller/yogacara/outlines/100dharmas-big5.htm </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have always believed that Borges&#8217; peculiar list was derived from the Buddhist list of 100 Dharmas, which was supposed to include all the important factors in reality. A sample of these:Ipseity, Spatiality, Otherwiseness, Time, Speed, Differentiation of species, Life-force, Concrete Form Analyzed to the Minutest Extent, Taste, Tongue, Tasting-consciousness, Torpor, Restlessness, Envy, Stupidity, Desire, Volition, Focusing, Sensory Contact.<a href="http://www.hm.tyg.jp/~acmuller/yogacara/outlines/100dharmas-big5.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hm.tyg.jp/~acmuller/yogacara/outlines/100dharmas-big5.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Weevil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6021</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Weevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know whether Dive into Mark was first (your link takes me to an error message) but I switched my blogroll to a Borgesian layout on March 20th (with a further post on the 31st).The only category name I still use is the last: &quot;Those included in this classification&quot;, but the rest include Puns, Pundits, Ranters, Imperatives and Interrogatives, and so on. It makes for amusing juxtapositions (e.g. Cathy&#039;s World and Dean&#039;s World, A Dog&#039;s Life and Coyote at the Dog Show), but is still a bit confusing even to me, so I may change back to alphabetical order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t know whether Dive into Mark was first (your link takes me to an error message) but I switched my blogroll to a Borgesian layout on March 20th (with a further post on the 31st).The only category name I still use is the last: &#8220;Those included in this classification&#8221;, but the rest include Puns, Pundits, Ranters, Imperatives and Interrogatives, and so on. It makes for amusing juxtapositions (e.g. Cathy&#8217;s World and Dean&#8217;s World, A Dog&#8217;s Life and Coyote at the Dog Show), but is still a bit confusing even to me, so I may change back to alphabetical order.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6020</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite bad indices is in the Oxford edition of Hegel&#039;s &lt;i&gt;phenomenology of spirit&lt;/i&gt;.  It has an entry for Hamlet, who is indeed mentioned twice in rather mysterious ways, but seems to lack entries for any of Hegel&#039;s important concepts.  No--I take that back--if you want to know about &quot;dialectic,&quot; apparently you need only read p. 124.  Pale Fire is a good novel index.  And Dave Barry&#039;s books have good ones sometimes (actually, they look a lot like the Hegel).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One of my favorite bad indices is in the Oxford edition of Hegel&#8217;s <i>phenomenology of spirit</i>.  It has an entry for Hamlet, who is indeed mentioned twice in rather mysterious ways, but seems to lack entries for any of Hegel&#8217;s important concepts.  No&#8212;I take that back&#8212;if you want to know about &#8220;dialectic,&#8221; apparently you need only read p. 124.  Pale Fire is a good novel index.  And Dave Barry&#8217;s books have good ones sometimes (actually, they look a lot like the Hegel).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner`</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the incidental characters in Vonnegut&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Cat&#039;s Cradle&lt;/i&gt; is an indexer -- she is travelling with the narrator to the island republic whose name I have forgotten and engages him in a conversation about indexing. All I remember of it is that she looks down on authors who attempt to index their own work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One of the incidental characters in Vonnegut&#8217;s <i>Cat&#8217;s Cradle</i> is an indexer&#8212;she is travelling with the narrator to the island republic whose name I have forgotten and engages him in a conversation about indexing. All I remember of it is that she looks down on authors who attempt to index their own work.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bell has a long, loving entry on the index for  &quot;The Stuffed Owl.&quot; Ballard&#039;s short story and Perec&#039;s novel make it in there too. It&#039;s really a lovely little anthology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bell has a long, loving entry on the index for  &#8220;The Stuffed Owl.&#8221; Ballard&#8217;s short story and Perec&#8217;s novel make it in there too. It&#8217;s really a lovely little anthology.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad indexes can also offer a laugh. Henry Kamen&#039;s biography of Philip II, on whose empire the sun never set, makes the strange argument that Philip, whatever those apologists for universal empire were claiming, was not an imperialist. In the index, you find:Philip II: not imperialist.He left out the &quot;damn it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The bad indexes can also offer a laugh. Henry Kamen&#8217;s biography of Philip II, on whose empire the sun never set, makes the strange argument that Philip, whatever those apologists for universal empire were claiming, was not an imperialist. In the index, you find:Philip II: not imperialist.He left out the &#8220;damn it.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: --kip</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6016</link>
		<dc:creator>--kip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t remember where I first saw it excerpted, but I&#039;ve always loved the index entries for _Flaubert, Gustav_ from Geoffrey Wall&#039;s  biography of the same:bq. &#198;sthetic mysticism; alleged sadism; artistic intransigence; attitude to marriage; castration complex; celebrity and influence; chevalier de la L&#233;gion d&#8217;honneur; death; debts; dogs; fatness; hallucinations; interest in history; masturbation; modernity; pleasure taken in books; pleasure taken in travelling; realism; recitations; romanticism; sexual abstinence; sexual initiation; sexual passion; syphilis; use of prostitutes; views on book illustrations.Not a bad map of a life well-lived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can&#8217;t remember where I first saw it excerpted, but I&#8217;ve always loved the index entries for <em>Flaubert, Gustav</em> from Geoffrey Wall&#8217;s  biography of the same:bq. &#198;sthetic mysticism; alleged sadism; artistic intransigence; attitude to marriage; castration complex; celebrity and influence; chevalier de la L&#233;gion d&#8217;honneur; death; debts; dogs; fatness; hallucinations; interest in history; masturbation; modernity; pleasure taken in books; pleasure taken in travelling; realism; recitations; romanticism; sexual abstinence; sexual initiation; sexual passion; syphilis; use of prostitutes; views on book illustrations.Not a bad map of a life well-lived.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just second PNH&#039;s recommendation of the &lt;i&gt;Stuffed Owl&lt;/i&gt; index. It&#039;s utterly hilarious, top to bottom, and the very first thing I thought of reading this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let me just second <span class="caps">PNH</span>&#8217;s recommendation of the <i>Stuffed Owl</i> index. It&#8217;s utterly hilarious, top to bottom, and the very first thing I thought of reading this post.</p>
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		<title>By: jim in austin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6014</link>
		<dc:creator>jim in austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might enjoy the encyclopedic index as a novella, Georges Perec&#039;s &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879237511/qid=1066225452/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-8972069-5380023&quot;&gt;Life: A User&#039;s Manual&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You might enjoy the encyclopedic index as a novella, Georges Perec&#8217;s <i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879237511/qid=1066225452/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-8972069-5380023">Life: A User&#8217;s Manual</a></i>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phersu</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2003/10/15/indexing-as-artform/comment-page-1/#comment-6013</link>
		<dc:creator>Phersu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not indexing but &quot;cross-indexing&quot; : in Diderot and D&#039;Alembert&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Encylopédie&lt;/i&gt;, the &quot;Anthropophagy&quot; entry has a link to the&quot;Eucharist&quot; entry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is not indexing but &#8220;cross-indexing&#8221; : in Diderot and D&#8217;Alembert&#8217;s <i>Encylop&#233;die</i>, the &#8220;Anthropophagy&#8221; entry has a link to the&#8221;Eucharist&#8221; entry.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh Kenner&#039;s survey of Irish literature, &lt;i&gt;A Colder Eye&lt;/i&gt;, has an index that, aside from providing page references, gives everyone mentioned in the book their Homeric epithet:&lt;blockquote&gt;O&#039;Casey, Sean, &lt;i&gt;ventriloquist&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;O&#039;Nolan, Brian, &lt;i&gt;logician&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;etc., etc.Then of course there&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Stuffed Owl: An Anthology of Bad Verse&lt;/i&gt;, whose index contains entries like&lt;blockquote&gt;Heaven, system of bookkeeping in, 32; vogue of Mr. Purcell&#039;s music in, 37; unexpected grandeur of its architecture, 48; knowledge of languages useful in, ibid.; blasted, 188; haloes the only wear in, 216Hinds, salubrious, 14; athletic, 60. &lt;i&gt;See also&lt;/i&gt; SwainsSmile, Queen Mary&#039;s, its anticipated effect on national prosperity, 39; social, donned by rustic in leisure moment, 137.  &lt;i&gt;See also&lt;/i&gt; Corpse&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hugh Kenner&#8217;s survey of Irish literature, <i>A Colder Eye</i>, has an index that, aside from providing page references, gives everyone mentioned in the book their Homeric epithet:<blockquote>O&#8217;Casey, Sean, <i>ventriloquist</i><br />
O&#8217;Nolan, Brian, <i>logician</i></blockquote>etc., etc.Then of course there&#8217;s <i>The Stuffed Owl: An Anthology of Bad Verse</i>, whose index contains entries like<blockquote>Heaven, system of bookkeeping in, 32; vogue of Mr. Purcell&#8217;s music in, 37; unexpected grandeur of its architecture, 48; knowledge of languages useful in, ibid.; blasted, 188; haloes the only wear in, 216Hinds, salubrious, 14; athletic, 60. <i>See also</i> SwainsSmile, Queen Mary&#8217;s, its anticipated effect on national prosperity, 39; social, donned by rustic in leisure moment, 137.  <i>See also</i> Corpse</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a well-known solid state physics book, one can find entries in the index like bothcart, before horsehorse, after cartand prose, page of unrelievedas well as a listing of every page in which there is an exclamation mark, including one page with two (noted with an exclamation mark that is also duly listed).I imagine she didn&#039;t check any physics texts, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In a well-known solid state physics book, one can find entries in the index like bothcart, before horsehorse, after cartand prose, page of unrelievedas well as a listing of every page in which there is an exclamation mark, including one page with two (noted with an exclamation mark that is also duly listed).I imagine she didn&#8217;t check any physics texts, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And J.G Ballard turned the concept of indexes into a complete short story entitled &quot;The Index&quot;, which closes with:Zileinski, Bronislaw, 742; commissioned to prepare index, 748; warns of suppression threats, 752; disappears, 761</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And J.G Ballard turned the concept of indexes into a complete short story entitled &#8220;The Index&#8221;, which closes with:Zileinski, Bronislaw, 742; commissioned to prepare index, 748; warns of suppression threats, 752; disappears, 761</p>
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