Comments on: Perle and Frum

By: baa

baa — Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:01:02 +0000

i was kidding, glenn. i tried to go so over-the-top that it would be obvious, but i suppose in the insane mini-world of the comment box no hyperbole is hyperbolic enough to exclude the possibility of sincerity. i do agree, however, with the earlier point that americans who don’t like french culture are just like hitler.

By: Glenn

Glenn — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:11:41 +0000

“glenn, why do you keep insisting that the french hate american culture? this one claim logically implies that everything else you will ever say about anything is false.” not sure if you are kidding baa, but your statement is both false and illogical. False: I will repeat ANOTHER FREAKIN’ TIME - “you guys keep hammering on the cultural issue, one which i already conceded (and don’t really care much about) in this same comments section! wake up and read! but if you want me to say it, i will: The people of France LOVE American culture! They LOVE it LOVE it LOVE it! okay, does that satisfy everyone?” Illogical – if i had made a false statment, a ‘lie’ if you will, it does NOT logically imply that ‘everything else [I] will ever say about anything is false.’ bill clinton lied about monica, this fact DOES NOT imply that ALL future statements made by Clinton will be false. it may imply that you won’t trust my future statements, but that is it. that is for each person to judge on his/her own. you haven’t impressed me with your wit at all, baa, so i’ll repeat one more time for you. The people of France LOVE American culture!

By: baa

baa — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:46:29 +0000

glenn, why do you keep insisting that the french hate american culture? this one claim logically implies that everything else you will ever say about anything is false.

By: glenn

glenn — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:24:49 +0000

dave, if you checked out my site at all, you would know that i have a strong liberal background, just wish it was less infested by the far-leftists. on perle, woody allen, etc., there’s nothing wrong with having a house in France, I hear it’s very beautiful. I’m just saying that black entertainers are NO LONGER FLEEING from usa to france. i feel like i must repeat myself over and over with you guys. jeesh. you guys keep hammering on the cultural issue, one which i already conceded (and don’t really care much about) in this same comments section! wake up and read! but if you want me to say it, i will: The people of France LOVE American culture! They LOVE it LOVE it LOVE it! okay, does that satisfy everyone?

By: davidj

davidj — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:38:46 +0000

glenn writes: “I mean, i talk about french dislike for american culture and you guys bring up jazz musicians in the 50’s. then two of you make comments about black entertainers moving to france in the 40’s and 50’s where they received better treatment. give me a break! No doubt, this was true back then. But America has changed directions a bit since the 50’s, no? just a teensy-weensy drop?” Well, Glenn, welcome to 2004 (not 1950): Ever heard of the Festival du Film Americain? http://www.festival-deauville.com/ And: This week’s culture section in the French weekly L’express (the equivalent of Time Mag) includes a lengthy article on American gospel: http://www.lexpress.fr/express/info/culture/ The book section has articles on – Pourquoi il faut aimer l’Amérique Why America is Great by AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE author Dinesh D’Souza – Le Vengeur (The Avenger) by AMERICAN author Frederick Forsyth http://livres.lexpress.fr/ And the Top 4 Book sales in France last week … http://livres.lexpress.fr/palmares/default.asp?nomrubrique=palmares Une seconde chance by AMERICAN AUTHOR Mary Higgins Clark Un nid de mensonges by AMERICAN AUTHOR Elizabeth George Lumière morte by AMERICAN AUTHOR Michael Connelly Origine suspecte by AMERICAN AUTHOR (I think) Patricia MacDonald And which book received the second most prestigious book prize in France last year? It’s called “A Lover’s Dictionary of America” (or A Dictionary for America Lovers) Check it out at http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2259194044/402-8065749-0142562 I’m not making this up. You live in an alternate reality. Keep on watching O’Reilly and other self-righteous pundits who panders to your prejudices.

By: dave heasman

dave heasman — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:09:01 +0000

Glen says : – no ones been running from usa to france except maybe some rich white hollywood stars. france can take ‘em. And Richard Perle, who has a house there.

By: Glenn

Glenn — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:38:23 +0000

Is there ANY DOUBT that you are all living in the past??? I mean, i talk about french dislike for american culture and you guys bring up jazz musicians in the 50’s. then two of you make comments about black entertainers moving to france in the 40’s and 50’s where they received better treatment. give me a break! No doubt, this was true back then. But America has changed directions a bit since the 50’s, no? just a teensy-weensy drop? and then david j brings up the suez crisis? once again, that was 50 years ago!! perhaps the usa was trying to prevent war with the soviet union, which was threatening to enter the fray on the side of its client state, egypt? does that matter at all to you, david? i don’t even want to get into it because the bottom line is, IT WAS 50 YEARS AGO!! “Please grow up and spare us your hypocritical one-sided self-righteousness.” once again, i am hardly even touching on the subject of who’s wrong and who’s right. i am making a point that france and usa are no longer allies, and may even be enemies. somewhere in the middle, i guess. The French are the French, and you all know what that means (at least kerry thinks you do).

By: david j

david j — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:29:21 +0000

“cultural front, have the french ever liked admitted they they like american culture??” I’d also add that the French enthusiastically embraced American novelists – Dos Passos, Faulkner, etc… heavily influenced a whole generation of French writers – And how about Woody Allen?!! And French critics today anoint Philip Roth as one of the world’s greatest authors. glenn writes: “france does alot more than gripe and vote against the us at the un. they actively worked to prevent passage of the second un resolution against american interests, offering incentives to those who went along with them and threats to those that wouldn’t. this is but the latest example.” Oh and how about the U.S. actively putting a stop to the British-French-Israeli action at Suez? Didn’t the U.S. ‘work actively against” the interests of these three nations and even humiliate them publicly and support a resolution against them at the UN - Please grow up and spare us your hypocritical one-sided self-righteousness.

By: raj

raj — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:42:43 +0000

“The US must overthrow the regimes in Iran and Syria, and impose a blockade on North Korea” Looks like Perle is looking to make a few more bucks off of US foreign adventures. As he did with the adventure in Iraq. I guess some people have no shame.

By: Ruth Hoffmann

Ruth Hoffmann — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:16:09 +0000

Oh, and many African American classical musicians also relocated to, or focused their careers on, France (and to a lesser extent Europe) in the 40s and 50s, because (especially in classical music) they just weren’t getting hired to sing opera or concerts here. The glorious Marian Anderson is one famous example of this.

By: Ruth Hoffmann

Ruth Hoffmann — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:12:33 +0000

The fact that dan simon considers that “Muslims living in the US must be given special scrutiny by US law enforcement and other Americans” is a “slightly exaggerated” formulation of “law enforcement should pay special attention to radical Muslim groups, since several of them have been found to be fronts for terrorist organizations” is just…just…stunning. “special scrutiny by other Americans”? What the heck?

By: Glenn

Glenn — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:34:26 +0000

“First, the US was doing the same thing. Second, they aren’t obligated to give rubber stamp approval for American aggression.” i’m not even talking about who’s right and who’s wrong. i’m talking about “are we allies or enemies or somewhere in the middle?” Did you guys even watch the presidential debate where that question was posed to john kerry? “the french are the french” was his reply. what the freak does that mean? “Sorry, but being an ally doesn’t mean being a toady.” no it does’t. but that doesn’t mean that france has to stick a fork in america’s eye to make its freakin’ point. it was not some tremendous moral stand by chirac and de villepin in the run-up to war. for them as for us, it was about lotsa things, but money was a big factor. “Actually, if I’m not mistaken, a good number of black jazz and blues artists moved to France (at least temporarily), because they were treated better there.” that may have been true in the 50’s but its NOT true today. no ones been running from usa to france except maybe some rich white hollywood stars. france can take ‘em. ahem, it’ll be difficult to believe that there will be much mushy feelings between the american people and the french people while they think this and later this year, we see a victory by gwb in the presidential election. im-center right, not sure if you’re kidding or not. i have nothing against the french people as a whole, but i do get disturbed by those people in france, usa and anywhere else in the world who think bush is the #1 source of evil in the world. i do believe that there just so happen to be lots of them in france.

By: im center-right

im center-right — Thu, 15 Jan 2004 02:32:03 +0000

Hey Glenn: A was walking along North Street today when a guy gave me a weird look. I shouted out, “what’s the matter with you, (are) you French or something!” That showed him.

By: ahem

ahem — Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:15:13 +0000

i don’t know when the next time when there will be warm mushy feelings between the peoples of france and usa. Not only is that an idiotic generalisation (unless you’re using ‘people’ as synecdoche for ‘governments’, in which case ‘January 2005’ is a good guess) but it also indicates the amount of media brainwashing that has gone on in recent years. It’s as intellectually defensible as ‘Blame Canada’.

By: Jon H

Jon H — Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09:14 +0000

Actually, if I’m not mistaken, a good number of black jazz and blues artists moved to France (at least temporarily), because they were treated better there.