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		<title>By: Asymmetric Inflammation</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/02/13/learning-is-not-occurring/comment-page-1/#comment-17363</link>
		<dc:creator>Asymmetric Inflammation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Seeing how sticking to satellite photos was also how we got it spectacularly wrong in pre-1991 (when we totally failed to identify the extent of Saddam’s then-active WMD program), I’m not sure this tells us anything except that intelligence is a most uncertain business.&quot;Nice try, but we weren&#039;t exactly relying on satellite photos this time were we.  Or perhaps your stuck in the bizarre alternate universe in which Saddam did not let the inspectors back in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Seeing how sticking to satellite photos was also how we got it spectacularly wrong in pre-1991 (when we totally failed to identify the extent of Saddam&#8217;s then-active <span class="caps">WMD</span> program), I&#8217;m not sure this tells us anything except that intelligence is a most uncertain business.&#8221;Nice try, but we weren&#8217;t exactly relying on satellite photos this time were we.  Or perhaps your stuck in the bizarre alternate universe in which Saddam did not let the inspectors back in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many cases of humanitarian catastrophe (Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda to name a few), reports by refugees, that were initially discounted, have turned out to be the most accurate descriptions of events. Assessing the credibility of reports, as any journalist, historian or intelligence officer is taught to do, is indespensible.  Rumsfeld et al were taken for a ride by Chalabi and his defectors because it was a ride they wanted to take.  As the above post about photographic intelligence demonstrates, all sources are fraught with potential deceptions.  In my view Dsquared&#039;s initial post is overstated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In many cases of humanitarian catastrophe (Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda to name a few), reports by refugees, that were initially discounted, have turned out to be the most accurate descriptions of events. Assessing the credibility of reports, as any journalist, historian or intelligence officer is taught to do, is indespensible.  Rumsfeld et al were taken for a ride by Chalabi and his defectors because it was a ride they wanted to take.  As the above post about photographic intelligence demonstrates, all sources are fraught with potential deceptions.  In my view Dsquared&#8217;s initial post is overstated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many cases of humanitarian catastrophe (Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda to name a few), reports by refugees, that were initially discounted, have turned out to be the most accurate descriptions of events. Assessing the credibility of reports, as any journalist, historian or intelligence officer is taught to do, is indespensible.  Rumsfeld et al were taken for a ride by Chalabi and his defectors because it was a ride they wanted to take.  As the above post about photographic intelligence demonstrates, all sources are fraught with potential deceptions.  In my view Dsquared&#039;s initial post is overstated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In many cases of humanitarian catastrophe (Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda to name a few), reports by refugees, that were initially discounted, have turned out to be the most accurate descriptions of events. Assessing the credibility of reports, as any journalist, historian or intelligence officer is taught to do, is indespensible.  Rumsfeld et al were taken for a ride by Chalabi and his defectors because it was a ride they wanted to take.  As the above post about photographic intelligence demonstrates, all sources are fraught with potential deceptions.  In my view Dsquared&#8217;s initial post is overstated.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtiss Leung</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/02/13/learning-is-not-occurring/comment-page-1/#comment-17360</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtiss Leung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nabokov writes:&lt;i&gt;Perhaps containment, and inspection combined with a lotta wheeling, dealing and bribes and threats behind the scene is actally more cost-effective than pre-emptive invasion in getting a tinpot nation to dump its nasties.&lt;/i&gt;Agreed.  As the great Dr. Benway said, &lt;b&gt;&quot;I deplore brutality&#8212;it&#039;s inefficient.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nabokov writes:<i>Perhaps containment, and inspection combined with a lotta wheeling, dealing and bribes and threats behind the scene is actally more cost-effective than pre-emptive invasion in getting a tinpot nation to dump its nasties.</i>Agreed.  As the great Dr. Benway said, <b>&#8220;I deplore brutality&mdash;it&#8217;s inefficient.&#8221;</b></p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting point that seems to emerge from this thread (aside from the fact that algebra and grammer appear to be inexact sciences for some) is that, as Curtiss in particular illustrates, the containment and inspection regime seemed to work in the case of Iraq.But if some claim it wasn&#039;t, then show us the bloody things.For that last 14 or so years, Iraq (about the size of Texas) has pretty certainly had more beady little airborne and satellite eyes trained on it than anywhere else. Not mention that for nearly a year now, hundreds of thousands of Coalition personnel -troops, spooks, inspectors, officials, oil and construction bods - have been prowling around the place, poking sticks in holes, peering underneath beds and opening fridges.And besides, since most of the deck of cards, including the big bastard himself (and, if memory serves, the head of Iraq&#039;s biowar program) are in the nick, surely we&#039;d be hearing something a bit more concrete about WMDs by now beyond verballed defectors and refugees.So just a wild thought here. Perhaps containment,  and inspection combined with a lotta wheeling, dealing and bribes and threats behind the scene is actally more cost-effective than pre-emptive invasion in getting a tinpot nation to dump its nasties.But if that is not the case, then hey, rev up the hummers of war again and hit the road to Tehran and Pyongyang. As an aside: &#039;humint&#039; does sound like a good word to describe the bits of fluff and hair you find in your mouth after oral sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An interesting point that seems to emerge from this thread (aside from the fact that algebra and grammer appear to be inexact sciences for some) is that, as Curtiss in particular illustrates, the containment and inspection regime seemed to work in the case of Iraq.But if some claim it wasn&#8217;t, then show us the bloody things.For that last 14 or so years, Iraq (about the size of Texas) has pretty certainly had more beady little airborne and satellite eyes trained on it than anywhere else. Not mention that for nearly a year now, hundreds of thousands of Coalition personnel <del>troops, spooks, inspectors, officials, oil and construction bods &#8211; have been prowling around the place, poking sticks in holes, peering underneath beds and opening fridges.And besides, since most of the deck of cards, including the big bastard himself (and, if memory serves, the head of Iraq&#8217;s biowar program) are in the nick, surely we&#8217;d be hearing something a bit more concrete about WMDs by now beyond verballed defectors and refugees.So just a wild thought here. Perhaps containment,  and inspection combined with a lotta wheeling, dealing and bribes and threats behind the scene is actally more cost</del>effective than pre-emptive invasion in getting a tinpot nation to dump its nasties.But if that is not the case, then hey, rev up the hummers of war again and hit the road to Tehran and Pyongyang. As an aside: &#8216;humint&#8217; does sound like a good word to describe the bits of fluff and hair you find in your mouth after oral sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtiss Leung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtiss Leung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...I&#039;m going to be a pain in the ass here.The Iraqis actually did conceal a large enrichment facility from satillite photos: the EMIS plant at Al Tarmiyah.&#160;From the good old Federation of American Scientists website:&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Tarmiya site had no security fence and no visible electrical capacity; only later did inspectors discover that it was powered by a 30-kV underground electrical feed from a 150 MWe substation several kilometers away. Tarmiya was also situated within a large military security zone, thereby needing no additional perimeter security or military defenses at the site. At this same site, the Iraqis built a multimillion-dollar “chemical wash” facility for recovering uranium from refurbished calutron components. This facility was reportedly as sophisticated and clean as any in the West, and triple-filtered so as not to release any trace effluents into the atmosphere that might have led to its detection once it began operation. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Prior to the first IAEA inspection after the Gulf War, the only known nuclear facilities in Iraq were those at the Al Tuwaitha nuclear center, where nuclear material was being safeguarded. No other facilities were declared in the initial Iraqi statements. That the Tarmiya facility housed a substantial piece of the Iraqi nuclear program was only confirmed after the Gulf War in the early summer of 1991, when the movement there of large saucer-like objects (just prior to the first IAEA inspection of the site) led to the positive identification of the Iraqi calutron program. Much of the equipment at this site was disassembled unilaterally by Iraq, and the components hidden from IAEA inspector teams. These pasts were eventually turned over to IAEA personnel and destroyed in place.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;b&gt;from the page on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/tarmiya.htm&quot;&gt;the Tarmiyah facility.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;However, the IAEA did find and destroy it under the first inspection regime in &#039;92.&#160;So unfortunately, in some cases satillite photos aren&#039;t enough.&lt;b&gt;BUT&lt;/b&gt; the al Tarmiya plant was built back in the good old days before Gulf War version 1.0 and UNSCOM inspections and sanctions and no-fly zones and...well, you get the idea.&#160;How likely was it that Iraq could have built another facility like that under those conditions?&#160;Not very fucking likely (and I figured as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.panix.com/~hncl/HectorsJournal/archives/000084.html&quot;&gt;much myself,&lt;/a&gt; if I may blow my horn here.)Despite that, d-squared&#039;s position on human intelligence from &lt;i&gt;questionable&lt;/i&gt; sources holds.&#160;Just as satillite photos require interpretation, so human intelligence must be evaluated and verified.&#160;Specifically, how much should you trust refugees whose information would lead you to do something that&#039;s to their benefit?&#160;Answer: not very much.&#160;Some people figured this out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitution.org/mac/disclivy2.htm#2:31&quot;&gt;a long time ago,&lt;/a&gt; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK&#8230;I&#8217;m going to be a pain in the ass here.The Iraqis actually did conceal a large enrichment facility from satillite photos: the <span class="caps">EMIS</span> plant at Al Tarmiyah.&nbsp;From the good old Federation of American Scientists website:</p><p><i>The Tarmiya site had no security fence and no visible electrical capacity; only later did inspectors discover that it was powered by a 30-kV underground electrical feed from a 150 MWe substation several kilometers away. Tarmiya was also situated within a large military security zone, thereby needing no additional perimeter security or military defenses at the site. At this same site, the Iraqis built a multimillion-dollar &#8220;chemical wash&#8221; facility for recovering uranium from refurbished calutron components. This facility was reportedly as sophisticated and clean as any in the West, and triple-filtered so as not to release any trace effluents into the atmosphere that might have led to its detection once it began operation. </i></p><p>Prior to the first <span class="caps">IAEA</span> inspection after the Gulf War, the only known nuclear facilities in Iraq were those at the Al Tuwaitha nuclear center, where nuclear material was being safeguarded. No other facilities were declared in the initial Iraqi statements. That the Tarmiya facility housed a substantial piece of the Iraqi nuclear program was only confirmed after the Gulf War in the early summer of 1991, when the movement there of large saucer-like objects (just prior to the first <span class="caps">IAEA</span> inspection of the site) led to the positive identification of the Iraqi calutron program. Much of the equipment at this site was disassembled unilaterally by Iraq, and the components hidden from <span class="caps">IAEA</span> inspector teams. These pasts were eventually turned over to <span class="caps">IAEA</span> personnel and destroyed in place.  </p><b>from the page on <a href="http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/tarmiya.htm">the Tarmiyah facility.</a></b>However, the <span class="caps">IAEA</span> did find and destroy it under the first inspection regime in &#8216;92.&nbsp;So unfortunately, in some cases satillite photos aren&#8217;t enough.<b><span class="caps">BUT</span></b> the al Tarmiya plant was built back in the good old days before Gulf War version 1.0 and <span class="caps">UNSCOM</span> inspections and sanctions and no-fly zones and&#8230;well, you get the idea.&nbsp;How likely was it that Iraq could have built another facility like that under those conditions?&nbsp;Not very fucking likely (and I figured as <a href="http://www.panix.com/~hncl/HectorsJournal/archives/000084.html">much myself,</a> if I may blow my horn here.)Despite that, d-squared&#8217;s position on human intelligence from <i>questionable</i> sources holds.&nbsp;Just as satillite photos require interpretation, so human intelligence must be evaluated and verified.&nbsp;Specifically, how much should you trust refugees whose information would lead you to do something that&#8217;s to their benefit?&nbsp;Answer: not very much.&nbsp;Some people figured this out <a href="http://www.constitution.org/mac/disclivy2.htm#2:31">a long time ago,</a> too.
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that T. Cowan, above, really doesn&#039;t get DD&#039;s point? Or am I missing the sarcasm?But I had the same thought upon reading the NYT&#039;s piece as Daniel. Why do major media outlets continue to publish talking points straight out of our admin&#039;s PR office?&quot;Oh, so &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; why there were no WMD&#039;s...Saddam was lied to by his subordinates&quot;&quot;Oh, so &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; why Saddam acted so irrationally, he&#039;s crazy and therefore can&#039;t be deterred. That must be why he didn&#039;t let the inspectors in&quot;&quot;He must have grossly miscalculated US intentions. It was truly a big misunderstanding, intelligence failures all around&quot;This stuff deserves a bigger &quot;WTF!&quot; than this font can deliver.Questions: Why doesn&#039;t the Bush admin just go whole hog and get some defectors who will say that the WMD&#039;s are in Syria or Iran or Haiti or the Democrat Party Headquarters?And do people in the media, like the NYT&#039;s, realize what they are doing, or are they under the same mass-delusion as the war apologists? (The truly deceived war apologists, not the garden variety dishonest ones we are used to seeing?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is it possible that T. Cowan, above, really doesn&#8217;t get DD&#8217;s point? Or am I missing the sarcasm?But I had the same thought upon reading the <span class="caps">NYT</span>&#8217;s piece as Daniel. Why do major media outlets continue to publish talking points straight out of our admin&#8217;s PR office?&#8220;Oh, so <i>that&#8217;s</i> why there were no <span class="caps">WMD</span>&#8217;s&#8230;Saddam was lied to by his subordinates&#8221;&#8220;Oh, so <i>that&#8217;s</i> why Saddam acted so irrationally, he&#8217;s crazy and therefore can&#8217;t be deterred. That must be why he didn&#8217;t let the inspectors in&#8221;&#8220;He must have grossly miscalculated US intentions. It was truly a big misunderstanding, intelligence failures all around&#8221;This stuff deserves a bigger &#8220;WTF!&#8221; than this font can deliver.Questions: Why doesn&#8217;t the Bush admin just go whole hog and get some defectors who will say that the <span class="caps">WMD</span>&#8217;s are in Syria or Iran or Haiti or the Democrat Party Headquarters?And do people in the media, like the <span class="caps">NYT</span>&#8217;s, realize what they are doing, or are they under the same mass-delusion as the war apologists? (The truly deceived war apologists, not the garden variety dishonest ones we are used to seeing?)</p>
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		<title>By: mikemudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikemudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media reporting of Iraq and the &quot;war on terror&quot; where the source is the military or the ruling elite of the day are like a double-blind.How do you detect exactly where the fake-out is?Who&#039;s zoomin who has become an art form..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Media reporting of Iraq and the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; where the source is the military or the ruling elite of the day are like a double-blind.How do you detect exactly where the fake-out is?Who&#8217;s zoomin who has become an art form..</p>
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		<title>By: mikemudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikemudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; it’s hard to stay patient with a student who believes that d + d = d squared.&quot;What?? It&#039;s not!!??No one told me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8221; it&#8217;s hard to stay patient with a student who believes that d + d = d squared.&#8221;What?? It&#8217;s not!!??No one told me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Cowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Cowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m baffled by Daniel&#039;s comment.  I wasn&#039;t defending human intelligence or the invasion of Iraq for that matter.  I agree with Daniel, we *don&#039;t* know what was going on.  That is my whole point.  Deterrence works best when there is common knowledge.  Bush made plenty of threats to Saddam and it appears that they were misinterpreted in very significant ways.  American military might failed to deter him in critical regards.  If evil dictators will be both crazy and stupid, we cannot expect them to always be deterred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m baffled by Daniel&#8217;s comment.  I wasn&#8217;t defending human intelligence or the invasion of Iraq for that matter.  I agree with Daniel, we <strong>don&#8217;t</strong> know what was going on.  That is my whole point.  Deterrence works best when there is common knowledge.  Bush made plenty of threats to Saddam and it appears that they were misinterpreted in very significant ways.  American military might failed to deter him in critical regards.  If evil dictators will be both crazy and stupid, we cannot expect them to always be deterred.</p>
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		<title>By: boonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>boonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes mandarin, objectionable grammatical constructs obviously negate Dsquared&#039;s whole argument. Odd you don&#039;t feel that way about Bush the Younger and his arguments. In fact, if you sneer really hard, I&#039;ll bet you can even make WMD&#039;s appear in Tikrit. Then you and Christopher Hitchens can go live in Disneyland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes mandarin, objectionable grammatical constructs obviously negate Dsquared&#8217;s whole argument. Odd you don&#8217;t feel that way about Bush the Younger and his arguments. In fact, if you sneer really hard, I&#8217;ll bet you can even make <span class="caps">WMD</span>&#8217;s appear in Tikrit. Then you and Christopher Hitchens can go live in Disneyland.</p>
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		<title>By: mandarin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandarin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In the same spirit, could I point out that you should have said “Yes, DD, you were right about Iraqi WMD” and “Yes, DD, you were right about consecutive symbols indicating multiplication”.&lt;/i&gt;Yes, you &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; point this out. What’s going to stop you? The rhetorical construction you’re groping for requires the use of &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; (although the use of &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; might also be justified).It would take a primitive mathematical education indeed (mine ended with the calculus) not to recognize the attempt to be clever represented by your Web handle. If you don’t mind, though, I will continue to think of you as “DD,” which emphasizes what a really enormous tit we&#039;re dealing with here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>In the same spirit, could I point out that you should have said &#8220;Yes, DD, you were right about Iraqi <span class="caps">WMD</span>&#8221; and &#8220;Yes, DD, you were right about consecutive symbols indicating multiplication&#8221;.</i>Yes, you <i>could</i> point this out. What&#8217;s going to stop you? The rhetorical construction you&#8217;re groping for requires the use of <i>may</i> (although the use of <i>might</i> might also be justified).It would take a primitive mathematical education indeed (mine ended with the calculus) not to recognize the attempt to be clever represented by your Web handle. If you don&#8217;t mind, though, I will continue to think of you as &#8220;DD,&#8221; which emphasizes what a really enormous tit we&#8217;re dealing with here.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandarin, thanks for the comments:&lt;i&gt;You should have written &#8220;if my name were.&#8221; &lt;/i&gt;Thanks for the correction.  In the same spirit, could I point out that you should have said &quot;Yes, DD, you were right about Iraqi WMD&quot; and &quot;Yes, DD, you were right about consecutive symbols indicating multiplication&quot;.Everyone else:  Thank God somebody spotted the joke.  My actual point was very specific to nukes (rather than chemical or biological weapons) and consists of the fact that it&#039;s not possible to extract uranium without large amounts of electrical power, and not possible to conceal large amounts of electrical power, however delivered, from the most cursory of satellite surveillance.Of course the Iraqis &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; have bought their uranium on the open market, but I (I can&#039;t speak for Wilkie and Ritter) took the educated guess that the CIA et al actually have very good tabs on the black market in weapons-grade fissile material, a conclusion I infer from the fact that most of the developed world is still standing after all those years.  It isn&#039;t rocket science, apart from the question of missiles with too long a range, and that was only fairly basic rocket science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mandarin, thanks for the comments:<i>You should have written &#8220;if my name were.&#8221; </i>Thanks for the correction.  In the same spirit, could I point out that you should have said &#8220;Yes, DD, you were right about Iraqi <span class="caps">WMD</span>&#8221; and &#8220;Yes, DD, you were right about consecutive symbols indicating multiplication&#8221;.Everyone else:  Thank God somebody spotted the joke.  My actual point was very specific to nukes (rather than chemical or biological weapons) and consists of the fact that it&#8217;s not possible to extract uranium without large amounts of electrical power, and not possible to conceal large amounts of electrical power, however delivered, from the most cursory of satellite surveillance.Of course the Iraqis <i>could</i> have bought their uranium on the open market, but I (I can&#8217;t speak for Wilkie and Ritter) took the educated guess that the <span class="caps">CIA</span> et al actually have very good tabs on the black market in weapons-grade fissile material, a conclusion I infer from the fact that most of the developed world is still standing after all those years.  It isn&#8217;t rocket science, apart from the question of missiles with too long a range, and that was only fairly basic rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To you, me and Daniel.  Along with about 99% of the human population.  I guess trolls use different notation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To you, me and Daniel.  Along with about 99% of the human population.  I guess trolls use different notation.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If mandarin had progressed past algebra in his mathematical studies, he might have learned that in the mathematics of strings, exponentiation indicates concatenation, so that D^2 = DD. And doesn&#039;t it make more sense to consider it a string than an indeterminate numeric value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If mandarin had progressed past algebra in his mathematical studies, he might have learned that in the mathematics of strings, exponentiation indicates concatenation, so that D^2 = DD. And doesn&#8217;t it make more sense to consider it a string than an indeterminate numeric value?</p>
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