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		<title>By: direct tv</title>
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		<dc:creator>direct tv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rite-Aid, Eckerd, <span class="caps">CVS</span> and more. The <a href="http://free-direct-tv.freenetshopper.com/sat1/free-direct-tv.html">free direct tv</a> company also supplies photo-personalized <a href="http://directv.freenetshopper.com/sat1/directv.html">directv</a> gifts to dot com and other online resellers. <a href="http://free-dish-network.freenetshopper.com/sat1/free-dish-network.html">free dish network</a> They began their business a decade ago <a href="http://free-satellite-tv.freenetshopper.com/sat1/free-satellite-tv.html">free satellite tv</a> making mugs for a local distribution center, <a href="http://digital-satellite-tv.freenetshopper.com/sat1/digital-satellite-tv.html">digital satellite tv</a> when he decided he was not ready to <a href="http://direct-tv.freenetshopper.com/sat1/direct-tv.html">direct tv</a> retire. The company has grown substantially dishsinologiesa over the past few years and is a family <a href="http://free-directv.freenetshopper.com/sat1/free-directv.html">free directv</a> owned and operated company. The family <a href="http://dish-network.freenetshopper.com/sat1/dish-network.html">dish network</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith M Ellis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/14/news-from-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-24923</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith M Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes worry that I might misunderstand American popular opinion since, for the most part (excluding 9/11), I haven&#039;t watched a TV newscast in a decade.I don&#039;t watch TV, period.  I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; watch some television series by way of downloading them from the net; but when I&#039;ve visited other people&#039;s homes and been exposed to commercial television in all its hideousness, I have to admit that it&#039;s really weirded me out.The fact that most Americans get &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; their news from television badly frightens me.  The fact that that relatively informed group is the &lt;i&gt;minority&lt;/i&gt;, frightens me worse.  Oh, well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I sometimes worry that I might misunderstand American popular opinion since, for the most part (excluding 9/11), I haven&#8217;t watched a TV newscast in a decade.I don&#8217;t watch TV, period.  I <i>do</i> watch some television series by way of downloading them from the net; but when I&#8217;ve visited other people&#8217;s homes and been exposed to commercial television in all its hideousness, I have to admit that it&#8217;s really weirded me out.The fact that most Americans get <i>all</i> their news from television badly frightens me.  The fact that that relatively informed group is the <i>minority</i>, frightens me worse.  Oh, well.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s tv news like in Canada compared to the US in it&#039;s coverage of Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What&#8217;s tv news like in Canada compared to the US in it&#8217;s coverage of Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/14/news-from-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-24921</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main difference between TV news in the UK and in the US is that, unlike British newspapers, (terrestrial) TV news sources have a duty to be impartial. You have the exact opposite situation of the de facto one in the States, where the news pages of the papers are supposed to be objective while nobody really thinks the TV news is. In Britain the papers are fiercely partisan, even in the news pages, while the TV news programmes are, often to the point of tedium and obfuscation, overtly neutral/balanced. Curiously there are a couple of exceptions. One is Channel 4 news, which is about as explicitly lefty and liberal as you could possibly get in the UK regulatory environment and whose anchor is well known as a liberal. The other is satellite news (Sky, ITN News Channel) which isn&#039;t regulated, but is still pretty impartial. In ITN&#039;s case this is because of market expectations (they flog their news to other broadcasters and wouldn&#039;t want to prejudice those sales). In Sky&#039;s case it&#039;s a combination of market expectations and a political device. Murdoch gets a lot of criticism in the UK for the sleaziness and partisanship of his papers, and for his near monopoly control of the media. Consequently Sky News is the most effective tool he has to persuade the government to let him buy more media outlets, since it is probably the best 24 hour news channel available in the country (we can get all the US ones on satellite, plus things like Al Jazeera).As far as the audience goes, that&#039;s again diametrically opposite to the US. In Britain most people read a (national) newspaper in the morning, where they get a good deal of news. If they read a broadsheet (Guardian, Independent, Times, Telegraph) it will be seriously presented and include a lot of political and foreign affairs coverage. Most however read the tabloids (some of the split comes down to class, some to taste and some to other factors), then most of the &quot;news&quot; will be celebrity gossip - see Beckham - and other trivia, although the big issues and events will be covered, sometimes well. The consequence of all this is that TV news is expected to be serious and high-brow to counter the tabloid trash in the morning (TV morning news is also pretty trashy). A broad section of the population watches the more serious TV news, regardless of whether they read tabloids or broadsheets or neither. ITV (our most populist terrestrial channel) launched a lightweight news show with its star presenter to go alongside its main programme about two years ago and it has done terribly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The main difference between TV news in the UK and in the US is that, unlike British newspapers, (terrestrial) TV news sources have a duty to be impartial. You have the exact opposite situation of the de facto one in the States, where the news pages of the papers are supposed to be objective while nobody really thinks the TV news is. In Britain the papers are fiercely partisan, even in the news pages, while the TV news programmes are, often to the point of tedium and obfuscation, overtly neutral/balanced. Curiously there are a couple of exceptions. One is Channel 4 news, which is about as explicitly lefty and liberal as you could possibly get in the UK regulatory environment and whose anchor is well known as a liberal. The other is satellite news (Sky, <span class="caps">ITN </span>News Channel) which isn&#8217;t regulated, but is still pretty impartial. In <span class="caps">ITN</span>&#8217;s case this is because of market expectations (they flog their news to other broadcasters and wouldn&#8217;t want to prejudice those sales). In Sky&#8217;s case it&#8217;s a combination of market expectations and a political device. Murdoch gets a lot of criticism in the UK for the sleaziness and partisanship of his papers, and for his near monopoly control of the media. Consequently Sky News is the most effective tool he has to persuade the government to let him buy more media outlets, since it is probably the best 24 hour news channel available in the country (we can get all the US ones on satellite, plus things like Al Jazeera).As far as the audience goes, that&#8217;s again diametrically opposite to the US. In Britain most people read a (national) newspaper in the morning, where they get a good deal of news. If they read a broadsheet (Guardian, Independent, Times, Telegraph) it will be seriously presented and include a lot of political and foreign affairs coverage. Most however read the tabloids (some of the split comes down to class, some to taste and some to other factors), then most of the &#8220;news&#8221; will be celebrity gossip &#8211; see Beckham &#8211; and other trivia, although the big issues and events will be covered, sometimes well. The consequence of all this is that TV news is expected to be serious and high-brow to counter the tabloid trash in the morning (TV morning news is also pretty trashy). A broad section of the population watches the more serious TV news, regardless of whether they read tabloids or broadsheets or neither. <span class="caps">ITV </span>(our most populist terrestrial channel) launched a lightweight news show with its star presenter to go alongside its main programme about two years ago and it has done terribly.</p>
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		<title>By: ogged</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/14/news-from-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-24920</link>
		<dc:creator>ogged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who&#039;s spent time in both places care to make some rash generalizations about the audience for TV news in the UK vs. the audience in the States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyone who&#8217;s spent time in both places care to make some rash generalizations about the audience for TV news in the UK vs. the audience in the States?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sky suffers from many of the pitfalls of all 24 hour news, including a &quot;breaking news&quot; fetish and a frequent inability to step back and analyse the big picture in a less than frenzied manner, but on the whole it&#039;s actually...good. Which is pretty shocking considering Fox, its &quot;sister network&quot;.Those quotes from Iraq sound very much like David Chater, who was really excellent during the war itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sky suffers from many of the pitfalls of all 24 hour news, including a &#8220;breaking news&#8221; fetish and a frequent inability to step back and analyse the big picture in a less than frenzied manner, but on the whole it&#8217;s actually&#8230;good. Which is pretty shocking considering Fox, its &#8220;sister network&#8221;.Those quotes from Iraq sound very much like David Chater, who was really excellent during the war itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/14/news-from-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-24918</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly a survey of the British viewing public after the war found that many more saw the BBC&#039;s coverage as pro-coalition than they did Sky&#039;s, and similarly more thought Sky was pro-Iraq (!) than the BBC. So Sky clearly is doing something right. It&#039;s main flaw, which perhaps isn&#039;t really a flaw, is it&#039;s very keen to be first with the news, and sometimes gets it completely wrong. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interestingly a survey of the British viewing public after the war found that many more saw the <span class="caps">BBC</span>&#8217;s coverage as pro-coalition than they did Sky&#8217;s, and similarly more thought Sky was pro-Iraq (!) than the <span class="caps">BBC</span>. So Sky clearly is doing something right. It&#8217;s main flaw, which perhaps isn&#8217;t really a flaw, is it&#8217;s very keen to be first with the news, and sometimes gets it completely wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: push</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/14/news-from-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-24917</link>
		<dc:creator>push</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a recent survey of UK MPs showed they thought Sky and ITV (other main news provider) to be more impartial than BBC. Sky knows it is going to attract criticisms of partiality so it generally plays the clever game of not attempting to be. Presenters like Adam Boulton help. However, past Sky coverage of issues related to Murdoch&#039;s business interests tends to be highly partial, in contrast to the BBC&#039;s unflinching coverage of its own misfortunes post the Hutton Report. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>a recent survey of <span class="caps">UK M</span>Ps showed they thought Sky and <span class="caps">ITV </span>(other main news provider) to be more impartial than <span class="caps">BBC</span>. Sky knows it is going to attract criticisms of partiality so it generally plays the clever game of not attempting to be. Presenters like Adam Boulton help. However, past Sky coverage of issues related to Murdoch&#8217;s business interests tends to be highly partial, in contrast to the <span class="caps">BBC</span>&#8217;s unflinching coverage of its own misfortunes post the Hutton Report.</p>
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