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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/28/what-can-you-not-find-online/comment-page-1/#comment-26654</link>
		<dc:creator>HP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: Thanks. I feel better that the definition came up in a subscription service. A bit odd that the one citation (1913) I found predates the supposed currency of the term by 40-50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael: Thanks. I feel better that the definition came up in a subscription service. A bit odd that the one citation (1913) I found predates the supposed currency of the term by 40-50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: rogueclassicist</title>
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		<dc:creator>rogueclassicist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Good* translations of a number of ancient authors, especially Pliny the Elder. Most of the translations that are out there are pretty lousy ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Good</strong> translations of a number of ancient authors, especially Pliny the Elder. Most of the translations that are out there are pretty lousy &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Morris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/28/what-can-you-not-find-online/comment-page-1/#comment-26652</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Google – to name just one search engine – has some code-dependent limitations built in that makes certain searches difficult. For example, it only allows for a maximum of ten terms in a search query. If you are looking for exact phrases, this can be limiting at times.&lt;/i&gt;Apple&#039;s Sherlock tool lets you search Google for any amount of entries, and it&#039;s easily controlled in the advanced search section.Anyway, could it be that some advanced searching capabilities themselves are a part of those &quot;gates&quot; you mentioned? How many Googlers even know about the possibility of searching for exact phrases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Google &#8211; to name just one search engine &#8211; has some code-dependent limitations built in that makes certain searches difficult. For example, it only allows for a maximum of ten terms in a search query. If you are looking for exact phrases, this can be limiting at times.</i>Apple&#8217;s Sherlock tool lets you search Google for any amount of entries, and it&#8217;s easily controlled in the advanced search section.Anyway, could it be that some advanced searching capabilities themselves are a part of those &#8220;gates&#8221; you mentioned? How many Googlers even know about the possibility of searching for exact phrases?</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/28/what-can-you-not-find-online/comment-page-1/#comment-26651</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may already have been mentioned, in which case apologies, but the Bush administration has been taking down useful pages from the Women&#039;s Bureau of the Labor Department off the web - for instance, they&#039;ve taken down all the information about the wage gap (they used to have a few really good pages of historical wage gap statistics measured a few different ways).&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2004/04/28/womens_report/&quot;&gt;Salon has an article about it.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This may already have been mentioned, in which case apologies, but the Bush administration has been taking down useful pages from the Women&#8217;s Bureau of the Labor Department off the web &#8211; for instance, they&#8217;ve taken down all the information about the wage gap (they used to have a few really good pages of historical wage gap statistics measured a few different ways).<a href="http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2004/04/28/womens_report/">Salon has an article about it.</a></p>
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		<title>By: LiL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LiL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew - that &lt;a href=&quot;http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=509&amp;ncid=509&amp;e=3&amp;u=/ap/20040428/ap_on_bi_ge/watercooler_1&gt;Americans select money over sex article&lt;/a&gt; is pretty funny in its own sad way. Yeah, that site I found may have had a point...Something I randomly discovered is hard to find: blogs in languages other than English, like (for a random example) in Hungarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matthew &#8211; that <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&#038;cid=509&#038;ncid=509&#038;e=3&#038;u=/ap/20040428/ap_on_bi_ge/watercooler_1>Americans select money over sex article</a> is pretty funny in its own sad way. Yeah, that site I found may have had a point&#8230;Something I randomly discovered is hard to find: blogs in languages other than English, like (for a random example) in Hungarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/28/what-can-you-not-find-online/comment-page-1/#comment-26649</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hp, I found this on xrefer.com. xrefer is a subscription based site which contains a lot of reference titles.yen shee n??opium. A term from the vocabulary of drug users in the 1950s and 1960s which is now rare. It derives from the Cantonese yan or Mandarin yen, meaning smoke and hence opium. Yen shi literally means opium user or addict.Bloomsbury Dictionary of Contemporary Slang, © Tony Thorne 1997</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hp, I found this on xrefer.com. xrefer is a subscription based site which contains a lot of reference titles.yen shee n??opium. A term from the vocabulary of drug users in the 1950s and 1960s which is now rare. It derives from the Cantonese yan or Mandarin yen, meaning smoke and hence opium. Yen shi literally means opium user or addict.Bloomsbury Dictionary of Contemporary Slang, &#169; Tony Thorne 1997</p>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
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		<dc:creator>HP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be not as good a web searcher as I think, but I had a recent search for a single, verifiable piece of information turn up nothing. I had just watched a short film about law enforcement made in the 1940s over at the Prelinger Archives. The film mentioned an illegal drug called &quot;yen shi,&quot; as though everyone knows what &quot;yen shi&quot; is. I googled it, along with as many variant spellings as I could think of. Other than the fact that &quot;Yen Shi&quot; is a fairly common name in some parts of the world, the only relevant link was to a 1913 paper on narcotics enforcement that again mentioned yen shi, only in passing, as a commonly abused illegal drug. Given the enormous interest in some quarters in controlled substances and drug culture minutia, I found this really odd.Anyone know what yen shi is? Hashish? some kind of opiate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I may be not as good a web searcher as I think, but I had a recent search for a single, verifiable piece of information turn up nothing. I had just watched a short film about law enforcement made in the 1940s over at the Prelinger Archives. The film mentioned an illegal drug called &#8220;yen shi,&#8221; as though everyone knows what &#8220;yen shi&#8221; is. I googled it, along with as many variant spellings as I could think of. Other than the fact that &#8220;Yen Shi&#8221; is a fairly common name in some parts of the world, the only relevant link was to a 1913 paper on narcotics enforcement that again mentioned yen shi, only in passing, as a commonly abused illegal drug. Given the enormous interest in some quarters in controlled substances and drug culture minutia, I found this really odd.Anyone know what yen shi is? Hashish? some kind of opiate?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/04/28/what-can-you-not-find-online/comment-page-1/#comment-26647</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reference Librarian I do high end searches all day long. I&#039;ve found that the most difficult material to retrieve is the highly technical matterial: medical, psychological or any specialized journal articles, which are usually secured behind subscription vendor sites. It&#039;s not impossible to locate thesis papers or most middle or low end journal articles, it just takes finesse. But the high end stuff, that&#039;s locked away in the deep web and unless you have Dialog or Factiva access, forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a reference Librarian I do high end searches all day long. I&#8217;ve found that the most difficult material to retrieve is the highly technical matterial: medical, psychological or any specialized journal articles, which are usually secured behind subscription vendor sites. It&#8217;s not impossible to locate thesis papers or most middle or low end journal articles, it just takes finesse. But the high end stuff, that&#8217;s locked away in the deep web and unless you have Dialog or Factiva access, forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: eszter</title>
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		<dc:creator>eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the interesting responses.  I&#039;ll address a few of them. First of all, Dan Simon asks &quot;so freakin’ what?&quot;.  I think it is worth exploring in a bit of detail what types of material we cannot find online given all the hype about how you can find anything and everything online.  The examples in this post and comments show that there&#039;s plenty of material that&#039;s either not online or hard to find and I think that&#039;s worth noting.Netwoman - I don&#039;t know if I understood your concerns precisely, but perhaps the following would help.  If you want just academic sources then using Google, you could specify that all your results be on educational sites.  You do this by adding site:.edu to your search query.  (Of course, .edu sites may contain non-academic sources, but it should help narrow things down.)  For excluding track-and-field and other information that seems to clutter up results to certain queries, you could try excluding those terms with the use of the minus sign right in front of the word (no space), e.g. &quot;women&#039;s rights&quot; -track -porn.Regarding syllabi and why they are not public, you guys raise some good points. Nonetheless, I think it is possible to post the syllabus publically but then post materials for students (whether that&#039;s copies of publications or answers to homework assignments) privately.  That&#039;s what I do.Interesting questions about which generations are being skipped.. whether that&#039;s just online or overall.  Related is the point about so much of search being text-based.  Audio, video materials are impossible to find unless they are attached to some descriptive text (which is sometimes the case).  And yes bp, I&#039;ve sometimes wanted to press CTRL-F when I&#039;m looking for keys or some document at home or in my office.  There&#039;s definitely room for improvement..;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for all the interesting responses.  I&#8217;ll address a few of them. First of all, Dan Simon asks &#8220;so freakin&#8217; what?&#8221;.  I think it is worth exploring in a bit of detail what types of material we cannot find online given all the hype about how you can find anything and everything online.  The examples in this post and comments show that there&#8217;s plenty of material that&#8217;s either not online or hard to find and I think that&#8217;s worth noting.Netwoman &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if I understood your concerns precisely, but perhaps the following would help.  If you want just academic sources then using Google, you could specify that all your results be on educational sites.  You do this by adding site:.edu to your search query.  (Of course, .edu sites may contain non-academic sources, but it should help narrow things down.)  For excluding track-and-field and other information that seems to clutter up results to certain queries, you could try excluding those terms with the use of the minus sign right in front of the word (no space), e.g. &#8220;women&#8217;s rights&#8221; <del>track -porn.Regarding syllabi and why they are not public, you guys raise some good points. Nonetheless, I think it is possible to post the syllabus publically but then post materials for students (whether that&#8217;s copies of publications or answers to homework assignments) privately.  That&#8217;s what I do.Interesting questions about which generations are being skipped.. whether that&#8217;s just online or overall.  Related is the point about so much of search being text</del>based.  Audio, video materials are impossible to find unless they are attached to some descriptive text (which is sometimes the case).  And yes bp, I&#8217;ve sometimes wanted to press <span class="caps">CTRL</span>-F when I&#8217;m looking for keys or some document at home or in my office.  There&#8217;s definitely room for improvement..;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Information about men&#039;s haircuts.  Even worse, try finding information about the history of men&#039;s haircuts (styles in the 20s, etc.)Ok, it&#039;s not controversial, but I sure as hell can&#039;t find it online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Information about men&#8217;s haircuts.  Even worse, try finding information about the history of men&#8217;s haircuts (styles in the 20s, etc.)Ok, it&#8217;s not controversial, but I sure as hell can&#8217;t find it online.</p>
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		<title>By: BP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My car. Many&#039;s the time I&#039;ve stared at a large, crowded lot, wondering where I parked my car, wishing I could search Google or press Control-F and find the damn thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My car. Many&#8217;s the time I&#8217;ve stared at a large, crowded lot, wondering where I parked my car, wishing I could search Google or press Control-F and find the damn thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Example - despite all the wash about e-government, the other day I needed customs tariffs. Could I get customs tariffs? Bollocks. HM Customs &amp; Excise were happy to give me the classification number for the goods I was thinking of importing, but they could only tell me the rate of tax (and hence how much I&#039;d have to pay) if I wanted to buy (by post!) a copy of the entire UK tariff. Bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Example &#8211; despite all the wash about e-government, the other day I needed customs tariffs. Could I get customs tariffs? Bollocks. <span class="caps">HM </span>Customs &#038; Excise were happy to give me the classification number for the goods I was thinking of importing, but they could only tell me the rate of tax (and hence how much I&#8217;d have to pay) if I wanted to buy (by post!) a copy of the entire UK tariff. Bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Netwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Netwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do a considerable amount of &#039;googling&#039; daily. I think what would be useful to me is somehow getting my search results thematically. For example, me new internet hobby - geneaology - if i want to do a search in this area, i would like to enter in my search word and get geneaology results - not a living person&#039;s track and field results. Women&#039;s rights -  no porn please - just appropriate sites. Or, if i am looking for academic sources on a topic...then my results are only academic sources. I think it may be a matter of indexing sites...I am not sure if this makes sense - or if it is already being done, but it would help me going through pages and pages of material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I do a considerable amount of &#8216;googling&#8217; daily. I think what would be useful to me is somehow getting my search results thematically. For example, me new internet hobby &#8211; geneaology &#8211; if i want to do a search in this area, i would like to enter in my search word and get geneaology results &#8211; not a living person&#8217;s track and field results. Women&#8217;s rights &#8211;  no porn please &#8211; just appropriate sites. Or, if i am looking for academic sources on a topic&#8230;then my results are only academic sources. I think it may be a matter of indexing sites&#8230;I am not sure if this makes sense &#8211; or if it is already being done, but it would help me going through pages and pages of material.</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
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		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She asked me if this were legal. I’m a professor, she thought I would know. I didn’t. So I went online to try to get an answer to her question. I found squat.&quot;You have to use subscription data bases to do legal research online--there are some isolated examples of free stuff (see, e. g., www.findlaw.com), but seldom enough to get a definitive answer.This has always struck me as a little strange, given that, after all, statutes and case law are government documents . . . you shouldn&#039;t have to pay to access them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;She asked me if this were legal. I&#8217;m a professor, she thought I would know. I didn&#8217;t. So I went online to try to get an answer to her question. I found squat.&#8221;You have to use subscription data bases to do legal research online&#8212;there are some isolated examples of free stuff (see, e. g., <a href="http://www.findlaw.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.findlaw.com</a>), but seldom enough to get a definitive answer.This has always struck me as a little strange, given that, after all, statutes and case law are government documents . . . you shouldn&#8217;t have to pay to access them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew -- some good sites for classical texts: &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/augustana.html&quot;&gt;Bibliotheca Augustana&lt;/a&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html&quot;&gt;The Perseus Library&lt;/a&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/index.html&quot;&gt;Corpus Scriptorum Latinorum&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;I am not a scholar so cannot vouch for their reliability, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matthew&#8212;some good sites for classical texts: <ul><li><a href="http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/augustana.html">Bibliotheca Augustana</a></li><li><a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html">The Perseus Library</a></li><li><a href="http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/index.html">Corpus Scriptorum Latinorum</a></li></ul>I am not a scholar so cannot vouch for their reliability, though.</p>
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