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		<title>By: Jonathan Dursi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27418</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dursi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2004 02:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent all day today looking for things like this (or, more generally, the lack of reliablity of eyewitnesses) for a class I&#039;m teaching tomorrow.   After finding nothing much worth using, I finally gave up and caught up on my blog-reading, and ta-dah!Moral of the story: do less research, do more blog reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I spent all day today looking for things like this (or, more generally, the lack of reliablity of eyewitnesses) for a class I&#8217;m teaching tomorrow.   After finding nothing much worth using, I finally gave up and caught up on my blog-reading, and ta-dah!Moral of the story: do less research, do more blog reading.</p>
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		<title>By: bza</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27417</link>
		<dc:creator>bza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s crucial to the experiment that viewers not only be ignorant of the gorilla  but that they be primed to attend to another part of the scene.  I suspect that John Quiggin didn&#039;t prime his son forcefully enough.  (When I&#039;ve seen the experiment demonstrated, the priming has been along the lines of  &quot;It&#039;s crucial that you count the number of passes; nothing else  about the scene matters.  Remember:  count the passes.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s crucial to the experiment that viewers not only be ignorant of the gorilla  but that they be primed to attend to another part of the scene.  I suspect that John Quiggin didn&#8217;t prime his son forcefully enough.  (When I&#8217;ve seen the experiment demonstrated, the priming has been along the lines of  &#8220;It&#8217;s crucial that you count the number of passes; nothing else  about the scene matters.  Remember:  count the passes.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27416</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/047115962X/002-2169407-4012842?v=glance&quot;&gt;Inevitable Illusions&lt;/a&gt; by Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini, which describes similiar things in our reasoning process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You might want to check out <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/047115962X/002-2169407-4012842?v=glance">Inevitable Illusions</a> by Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini, which describes similiar things in our reasoning process.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Whilk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27415</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Whilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;I’m not sure what YMMV stands for&lt;/i&gt;&quot;Your mileage may vary.  &lt;i&gt;&quot;but I assume it has something to do with the fact that none of the cards you are originally shown come up the second time.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;Oh, great.  Ever hear of the word &quot;spoiler&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;<i>I&#8217;m not sure what <span class="caps">YMMV</span> stands for</i>&#8221;Your mileage may vary.  <i>&#8220;but I assume it has something to do with the fact that none of the cards you are originally shown come up the second time.&#8221;</i>Oh, great.  Ever hear of the word &#8220;spoiler&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: jdsm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27414</link>
		<dc:creator>jdsm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 20:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nat,I&#039;m not sure what YMMV stands for but I assume it has something to do with the fact that none of the cards you are originally shown come up the second time. I worked it out almost immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>nat,I&#8217;m not sure what <span class="caps">YMMV</span> stands for but I assume it has something to do with the fact that none of the cards you are originally shown come up the second time. I worked it out almost immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Whilk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27413</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Whilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 15:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Why the hell would a team called the Suns have a Gorilla as a mascot?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;The guy who had to wear the flaming-ball-of-gases suit kept complaining about the heat.BTW, &lt;a href=&quot;http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/esp.html&quot;&gt;here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a demonstration of the power of concentration that I found impressive, but YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;<i>Why the hell would a team called the Suns have a Gorilla as a mascot?</i>&#8221;The guy who had to wear the flaming-ball-of-gases suit kept complaining about the heat.<span class="caps">BTW</span>, <a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/esp.html">here&#8217;s</a> a demonstration of the power of concentration that I found impressive, but <span class="caps">YMMV</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: DJW</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27412</link>
		<dc:creator>DJW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 15:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the hell would a team called the Suns have a Gorilla as a mascot?My British friends tell me about a museum of perception in London that has the following exhibit. It&#039;s a seemingly interactive slice of urban life, where through a series of video screens you experience a series of ostensibly typical moments walking around London. At one point, an angry, rude man berates you for a 20-30 seconds for bumping into him or some such thing. Later, you witness a hit and run, and you get a good several second look at the face of the guilty party. However, in a mock line-up after the fact, most people misidentify the rude man as the hit and runner, even though they don&#039;t look similar at all.Or at least that&#039;s how i remember it being told, if someone knows more about the museum/exhibit, and I&#039;ve got something wrong about this, I&#039;d be curious to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why the hell would a team called the Suns have a Gorilla as a mascot?My British friends tell me about a museum of perception in London that has the following exhibit. It&#8217;s a seemingly interactive slice of urban life, where through a series of video screens you experience a series of ostensibly typical moments walking around London. At one point, an angry, rude man berates you for a 20-30 seconds for bumping into him or some such thing. Later, you witness a hit and run, and you get a good several second look at the face of the guilty party. However, in a mock line-up after the fact, most people misidentify the rude man as the hit and runner, even though they don&#8217;t look similar at all.Or at least that&#8217;s how i remember it being told, if someone knows more about the museum/exhibit, and I&#8217;ve got something wrong about this, I&#8217;d be curious to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Whilk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27411</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Whilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possible explanation:  It&#039;s not unusual to see a gorilla at a basketball game (see, e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nba.com/suns/photogallery/gorilla_2002-03.html&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;), but it is unusual to see people playing basketball so poorly.  (Have they never heard of double dribble?  Traveling?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Possible explanation:  It&#8217;s not unusual to see a gorilla at a basketball game (see, e.g., <a href="http://www.nba.com/suns/photogallery/gorilla_2002-03.html">this</a>), but it is unusual to see people playing basketball so poorly.  (Have they never heard of double dribble?  Traveling?)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27410</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised that people find that one easy to spot: I can&#039;t believe that having a little QuickTime window is the optimal way of showing the movie. When I saw the experiment on British tv, though, with a camera trained on an audience watching a similar film on a big screen, the effect was very marked - with only 3 or 4 people (out of 50 odd) noticing the gorilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that people find that one easy to spot: I can&#8217;t believe that having a little QuickTime window is the optimal way of showing the movie. When I saw the experiment on British tv, though, with a camera trained on an audience watching a similar film on a big screen, the effect was very marked &#8211; with only 3 or 4 people (out of 50 odd) noticing the gorilla.</p>
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		<title>By: LTH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27409</link>
		<dc:creator>LTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 12:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed the gorilla immediately when I was shown this some time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I noticed the gorilla immediately when I was shown this some time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 11:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried it out on my son (age 14) and he noticed as soon as the gorilla faced the camera. Just one data point, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I tried it out on my son (age 14) and he noticed as soon as the gorilla faced the camera. Just one data point, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lightfoot</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/05/06/what-we-dont-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-27407</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lightfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those whose browsers don&#039;t find the video on the above page (there&#039;s some talentless bit of Javascript there), the URL&lt;a href=&quot;http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/gorilla.mov&quot;&gt;http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/gorilla.mov&lt;/a&gt;works for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For those whose browsers don&#8217;t find the video on the above page (there&#8217;s some talentless bit of Javascript there), the <span class="caps">URL</span><a href="http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/gorilla.mov">http://viscog.beckman.uiuc.edu/grafs/demos/gorilla.mov</a>works for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Motoko Kusanagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Motoko Kusanagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2004 09:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That reminds me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3335275.stm&quot;&gt;this (slightly silly) article&lt;/a&gt; on luck. (&quot;I gave both lucky and unlucky people a newspaper, and asked them to look through it and tell me how many photographs were inside. I had secretly placed a large message halfway through the newspaper saying: &quot;Tell the experimenter you have seen this and win £250.&quot; This message took up half of the page and was written in type that was more than two inches high. It was staring everyone straight in the face, but the unlucky people tended to miss it and the lucky people tended to spot it.&quot;) So my question is: are gorilla suit-spotters luckier in life than others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That reminds me of <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3335275.stm">this (slightly silly) article</a> on luck. (&#8220;I gave both lucky and unlucky people a newspaper, and asked them to look through it and tell me how many photographs were inside. I had secretly placed a large message halfway through the newspaper saying: &#8220;Tell the experimenter you have seen this and win &#163;250.&#8221; This message took up half of the page and was written in type that was more than two inches high. It was staring everyone straight in the face, but the unlucky people tended to miss it and the lucky people tended to spot it.&#8221;) So my question is: are gorilla suit-spotters luckier in life than others?</p>
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