Comments on: Happy Bloomsday http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sat, 26 May 2012 00:20:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dave Farrell http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32114 Dave Farrell Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:30:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32114 I suppose I'm related to Henry too. BTW, last time I was in Ireland my Dublin cousins were telling me that Joyce was reviled by scandalised Dubliners for years. How ironic he's celebrated now he's safely in his grave. I suppose I’m related to Henry too. BTW, last time I was in Ireland my Dublin cousins were telling me that Joyce was reviled by scandalised Dubliners for years. How ironic he’s celebrated now he’s safely in his grave.

]]> By: bob mcmanus http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32113 bob mcmanus Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:25:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32113 Depressing. Tried to answer Matt Weiner's question on the meaning of "ineluctable modality of the visible" that starts out "Proteus". So I got out my note-copy of Ulysses, and saw what I had underlined and annotated, translated (nebeneinander = reality viewed as aspect of space), concluded ("movement is perceived, therefore at least concepts, nonsensual,are also perceived").... and it made no sense to me whatsoever. Something I used to know, used to be able to do, like hitting a fastball or fitting into the uniform in my closet. Depressing. Tried to answer Matt Weiner’s question on the meaning of “ineluctable modality of the visible” that starts out “Proteus”. So I got out my note-copy of Ulysses, and saw what I had underlined and annotated, translated (nebeneinander = reality viewed as aspect of space), concluded (“movement is perceived, therefore at least concepts, nonsensual,are also perceived”)…. and it made no sense to me whatsoever. Something I used to know, used to be able to do, like hitting a fastball or fitting into the uniform in my closet.

]]> By: Lance Boyle http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32100 Lance Boyle Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:05 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32100 The accused will now make a bogus statement. _<blockquote>O the grey dull day! It seemed a limbo of painless patient consciousness through which souls of mathematicians might wander, projecting long slender fabrics from plane to plane of ever rarer and paler twilight, radiating swift eddies to the last verges of a universe ever vaster, farther and more impalpable.</blockquote> Joyce, <i>Portrait</i> - The accused will now make a bogus statement. _
O the grey dull day! It seemed a limbo of painless patient consciousness through which souls of mathematicians might wander, projecting long slender fabrics from plane to plane of ever rarer and paler twilight, radiating swift eddies to the last verges of a universe ever vaster, farther and more impalpable.
Joyce, Portrait -

]]> By: nnyhav http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32112 nnyhav Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:52:13 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32112 <a href="http://www.yankeepotroast.org/daily/040609.html">No kidneys!</a> No kidneys!

]]> By: bob mcmanus http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32111 bob mcmanus Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:57:50 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32111 "Then goes down again - leaving the washbowl for Stephen." Usurper! “Then goes down again – leaving the washbowl for Stephen.” Usurper!

]]> By: Ray http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32110 Ray Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:25:27 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32110 Okay, Henry's wrong, I was wrong, and cokelly is right. Both Buck and Stephen started downstairs. Buck comes _up_ the stairs, carrying washbowl, razor, and mirror. Calls down to Stephen, who follows him up. Shaves. Then goes down again - leaving the washbowl for Stephen. Okay, Henry’s wrong, I was wrong, and cokelly is right. Both Buck and Stephen started downstairs. Buck comes up the stairs, carrying washbowl, razor, and mirror. Calls down to Stephen, who follows him up. Shaves. Then goes down again – leaving the washbowl for Stephen.

]]> By: nick http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32109 nick Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:16:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32109 Are <i>The Best of Myles</i> and the other 'Cruiskeen Lawn' collections not available in the US? [checks] The Dalkey Archive Press has two of them, and only <i>The Hair of the Dogma</i> appears to be out of print... Anyway, I should ask my Dubliner friends for their precise familial connections to Bloomsday; one definitely 'knows' people, as Dubliners do. Are The Best of Myles and the other ‘Cruiskeen Lawn’ collections not available in the US? [checks] The Dalkey Archive Press has two of them, and only The Hair of the Dogma appears to be out of print… Anyway, I should ask my Dubliner friends for their precise familial connections to Bloomsday; one definitely ‘knows’ people, as Dubliners do.

]]> By: cokelly http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32108 cokelly Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:20:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32108 No no no. Stephen was <i>down</i> the stairs. Buck Mulligan was on the roof. Hence "Come up Kinch! Come up you fearful Jesuit!" No no no. Stephen was down the stairs. Buck Mulligan was on the roof. Hence “Come up Kinch! Come up you fearful Jesuit!”

]]> By: Ray http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32107 Ray Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:05:09 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32107 _Up_ the stairs, stately, plump Buck Mulligan came _up_ the stairs. Stephen was on the roof of the tower. http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/29/61/20788/1/frameset.html Up the stairs, stately, plump Buck Mulligan came up the stairs. Stephen was on the roof of the tower. http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/29/61/20788/1/frameset.html

]]> By: keef http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32106 keef Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:48:01 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32106 previously I wrote: "Any reason why you didn’t mention his moniker that’s most commonly known — to this American at least?"? and Kieran responded: "Because while Myles and Brian often went out drinking, Flann was antisocial and tended to stay at home nights." To which I respond with a heartfelt chuckle, since they are all one and the same person. However, here in America, I know Brian/Myles/Flann from his novels mostly. <i>At Swim Two Birds</i>, <i>The Poor Mouth</i>, <i>The Hard Life</i> and <i>The Third Policeman</i>, all books that make any truly sentient being shriek with laughter; and secondarily from collections of his "Myles" writings for the newspaper, which were collected by Penguin and I think later by Dalkey Archive Press in the US. Funnily enough, the Dalkey Archive Press has published Flann's novel "The Dalkey Archive" in the US. http://www.centerforbookculture.org/dalkey/backlist/obrien.html#dalkey I think Myles/Flann/Brian would have liked that. Looks like they have four other Flann/Myles/Brian novels in print currently, too. Since I got a funny but not explanatory answer from you, I figure it's because maybe folks in the US know him mainly from his longer fiction, and not from his shorter newspaper pieces under the name Myles, which are very hard to find and probably even harder to understand for Americans. And I'm an American with no direct connection to Ireland, including the fact that I've never set foot on that land. However, to state it baldly and uncompromisingly, the writings of the person variously referred to as Brian O’Nolain, or Myles na gCopaleen, or Flann O'Brien, are funny, scalding, deft, clever, and penetrating. At his best, he's like Mark Twain. Also like Mark Twain, he's great often and not so great occasionally, but always worth reading. Keef. previously I wrote: “Any reason why you didn’t mention his moniker that’s most commonly known — to this American at least?”? and Kieran responded: “Because while Myles and Brian often went out drinking, Flann was antisocial and tended to stay at home nights.” To which I respond with a heartfelt chuckle, since they are all one and the same person. However, here in America, I know Brian/Myles/Flann from his novels mostly. At Swim Two Birds, The Poor Mouth, The Hard Life and The Third Policeman, all books that make any truly sentient being shriek with laughter; and secondarily from collections of his “Myles” writings for the newspaper, which were collected by Penguin and I think later by Dalkey Archive Press in the US. Funnily enough, the Dalkey Archive Press has published Flann’s novel “The Dalkey Archive” in the US. http://www.centerforbookculture.org/dalkey/backlist/obrien.html#dalkey I think Myles/Flann/Brian would have liked that. Looks like they have four other Flann/Myles/Brian novels in print currently, too. Since I got a funny but not explanatory answer from you, I figure it’s because maybe folks in the US know him mainly from his longer fiction, and not from his shorter newspaper pieces under the name Myles, which are very hard to find and probably even harder to understand for Americans. And I’m an American with no direct connection to Ireland, including the fact that I’ve never set foot on that land. However, to state it baldly and uncompromisingly, the writings of the person variously referred to as Brian O’Nolain, or Myles na gCopaleen, or Flann O’Brien, are funny, scalding, deft, clever, and penetrating. At his best, he’s like Mark Twain. Also like Mark Twain, he’s great often and not so great occasionally, but always worth reading. Keef.

]]> By: Kieran Healy http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32105 Kieran Healy Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:17:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32105 <i>Any reason why you didn’t mention his moniker that’s most commonly known — to this American at least?</i> Because while Myles and Brian often went out drinking, Flann was antisocial and tended to stay at home nights. Any reason why you didn’t mention his moniker that’s most commonly known — to this American at least? Because while Myles and Brian often went out drinking, Flann was antisocial and tended to stay at home nights.

]]> By: keef http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32104 keef Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:40:08 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32104 Apologies for the double post and I should clear up the wording on my question: Any reason why you didn't mention his moniker that's most commonly known -- to this American at least? Keef Apologies for the double post and I should clear up the wording on my question: Any reason why you didn’t mention his moniker that’s most commonly known—to this American at least? Keef

]]> By: keef http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32103 keef Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:37:47 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32103 "Myles na gCopaleen (aka Brian O’Nolain)" Funny, I always refer to him as Flann O'Brien. Any reason why you didn't mention his most common name to this american? Keef “Myles na gCopaleen (aka Brian O’Nolain)” Funny, I always refer to him as Flann O’Brien. Any reason why you didn’t mention his most common name to this american? Keef

]]> By: keef http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32102 keef Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:37:44 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32102 "Myles na gCopaleen (aka Brian O’Nolain)" Funny, I always refer to him as Flann O'Brien. Any reason why you didn't mention his most common name to this american? Keef “Myles na gCopaleen (aka Brian O’Nolain)” Funny, I always refer to him as Flann O’Brien. Any reason why you didn’t mention his most common name to this american? Keef

]]> By: chun the unavoidable http://crookedtimber.org/2004/06/16/happy-bloomsday/comment-page-1/#comment-32101 chun the unavoidable Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:36:04 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/wp/?p=1732#comment-32101 I've got to come out of retirement to say this: don't go around saying this book doesn't have a plot, even in philosophy departments. I’ve got to come out of retirement to say this: don’t go around saying this book doesn’t have a plot, even in philosophy departments.

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