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		<title>By: JO'N</title>
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		<dc:creator>JO'N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve--Although I usually prefer not to take the fun out of a heartfelt political rant, I feel the need to point out the misconceptions in your grammatical analysis of Mr. Gere&#039;s comment.1. Since the use of they/them/their are a gender-neutral third person singular pronoun goes back many centuries, it predates any &quot;PC&quot; debates that you blame for it, unless the &quot;PC&quot; debate you have in mind is whether the Queen of England should allow the practice of Roman Catholicism.2. Your rephrasing of &quot;that man&quot; as &quot;that PERSON OF INDISCRIMINATE GENDER&quot; is a misunderstanding of Mr. Gere&#039;s comment. It&#039;s clear that he wasn&#039;t using &quot;that man&quot; as a co-referential variable for &quot;anyone&quot; -- if he had been, then he certainly would have used &quot;that person&quot; -- or, indeed, &quot;they&quot; -- instead.  Instead, Mr. Gere was referring to a specific individual with &quot;that man&quot;, not to &quot;anyone&quot;. (We know that because that way, the joke makes sense. I guess you didn&#039;t get it.)So, in terms of grammatical correctness, political correctness AND sense of humor, the score seems to be RIchard Gere 3, Steve 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Steve&#8212;Although I usually prefer not to take the fun out of a heartfelt political rant, I feel the need to point out the misconceptions in your grammatical analysis of Mr. Gere&#8217;s comment.1. Since the use of they/them/their are a gender-neutral third person singular pronoun goes back many centuries, it predates any &#8220;PC&#8221; debates that you blame for it, unless the &#8220;PC&#8221; debate you have in mind is whether the Queen of England should allow the practice of Roman Catholicism.2. Your rephrasing of &#8220;that man&#8221; as &#8220;that <span class="caps">PERSON OF INDISCRIMINATE GENDER</span>&#8221; is a misunderstanding of Mr. Gere&#8217;s comment. It&#8217;s clear that he wasn&#8217;t using &#8220;that man&#8221; as a co-referential variable for &#8220;anyone&#8221;&#8212;if he had been, then he certainly would have used &#8220;that person&#8221;&#8212;or, indeed, &#8220;they&#8221;&#8212;instead.  Instead, Mr. Gere was referring to a specific individual with &#8220;that man&#8221;, not to &#8220;anyone&#8221;. (We know that because that way, the joke makes sense. I guess you didn&#8217;t get it.)So, in terms of grammatical correctness, political correctness <span class="caps">AND</span> sense of humor, the score seems to be RIchard Gere 3, Steve 0.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A particularly interesting retrospective with &lt;a href=&quot;http://bertrandrussell.blogspot.com/2003/09/i-got-yer-opinion-right-here-though.html&quot;&gt;campaign finance reform&lt;/a&gt; legally viable (having been approved by the Supreme Court) but functionally dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A particularly interesting retrospective with <a href="http://bertrandrussell.blogspot.com/2003/09/i-got-yer-opinion-right-here-though.html">campaign finance reform</a> legally viable (having been approved by the Supreme Court) but functionally dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Never trust anyone who believes that God is exclusively on their side. [—- long pause —-] Especially when that man is the President.”&quot;I always enjoy illustrating how the PC destruction of the use of &#039;he&#039; as an arbitrary pronoun has simply confused everybody to no real benefit.  Even PC Richard Gere can&#039;t help but screw up.  He&#039;s got the subconscious instinct right (&quot;anyONE who believes God is on THEIR side&quot;) which sacrifices grammatical correctness for political correctness (as any English professor will tell you, that&#039;s the exact right thing to do).  But in the very next sentence, he sins twice. Not only is that hypothetical individual identified as a &#039;man&#039;, but that &#039;man&#039; is defined as President (or, rather, it is then assumed that the undefined President would be a &#039;man&#039;).  Perhaps it should be rewritten:  &quot;Never trust anyone who believes that God is exclusively on HIS OR HER side. [—- long pause —-] Especially when that PERSON OF INDISCRIMINATE GENDER is the President.&quot;    Not quite as much &#039;zing,&#039; but at least the professors in the crowd will leave him alone.steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Never trust anyone who believes that God is exclusively on their side. [&#8212;- long pause &#8212;-] Especially when that man is the President.&#8221;&#8221;I always enjoy illustrating how the PC destruction of the use of &#8216;he&#8217; as an arbitrary pronoun has simply confused everybody to no real benefit.  Even <span class="caps">PC </span>Richard Gere can&#8217;t help but screw up.  He&#8217;s got the subconscious instinct right (&#8220;anyONE who believes God is on <span class="caps">THEIR</span> side&#8221;) which sacrifices grammatical correctness for political correctness (as any English professor will tell you, that&#8217;s the exact right thing to do).  But in the very next sentence, he sins twice. Not only is that hypothetical individual identified as a &#8216;man&#8217;, but that &#8216;man&#8217; is defined as President (or, rather, it is then assumed that the undefined President would be a &#8216;man&#8217;).  Perhaps it should be rewritten:  &#8220;Never trust anyone who believes that God is exclusively on <span class="caps">HIS OR HER</span> side. [&#8212;- long pause &#8212;-] Especially when that <span class="caps">PERSON OF INDISCRIMINATE GENDER</span> is the President.&#8221;    Not quite as much &#8216;zing,&#8217; but at least the professors in the crowd will leave him alone.steve</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you visit New York, the museum is a terrific place to visit. It&#039;s in Astoria in Queens, which is probably why it doesn&#039;t get the tourist traffic that some of the other museums get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And if you visit New York, the museum is a terrific place to visit. It&#8217;s in Astoria in Queens, which is probably why it doesn&#8217;t get the tourist traffic that some of the other museums get.</p>
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		<title>By: X</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also some sweet stuff (ok ok -- &quot;research&quot;) being done on the new Presidential Ads at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.readmylipz.com&quot;&gt;readmylipz.com&lt;/a&gt;, which is partially sponsored by Muhlenberg&#039;s public policy center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also some sweet stuff (ok ok&#8212;&#8220;research&#8221;) being done on the new Presidential Ads at <a href="http://www.readmylipz.com">readmylipz.com</a>, which is partially sponsored by Muhlenberg&#8217;s public policy center.</p>
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		<title>By: christopher  ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopher  ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially good are the &quot;The Man from Abilene&quot; for Eisenhower and &quot;Platform Double Talk&quot; for Stevenson. The Ike ad has this line:&lt;blockquote&gt;FIRST ANNOUNCER: The nation, haunted by the stalemate in Korea, looks to Eisenhower. Eisenhower knows how to deal with the Russians. He has met Europe&#039;s leaders, has got them working with us. Elect the number one man for the number one job of our time. November 4th vote for peace. Vote for Eisenhower. &lt;/blockquote&gt;An ad praising cooperation with allies -- how relevant history can be. Replace Korea with Iraq, Russians with terrorists, and Eisenhower with Kerry, and the Kerry campaign has an ad.CLB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Especially good are the &#8220;The Man from Abilene&#8221; for Eisenhower and &#8220;Platform Double Talk&#8221; for Stevenson. The Ike ad has this line:<blockquote>FIRST <span class="caps">ANNOUNCER</span>: The nation, haunted by the stalemate in Korea, looks to Eisenhower. Eisenhower knows how to deal with the Russians. He has met Europe&#8217;s leaders, has got them working with us. Elect the number one man for the number one job of our time. November 4th vote for peace. Vote for Eisenhower. </blockquote>An ad praising cooperation with allies&#8212;how relevant history can be. Replace Korea with Iraq, Russians with terrorists, and Eisenhower with Kerry, and the Kerry campaign has an ad.<span class="caps">CLB</span></p>
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