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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How lovely. We have crazy rumours about Jews being warned of 9/11 and staying home watching Will &amp; Grace reruns, presumably, as their friends and colleagues were blown up by terrorists.We have urban legends about Muslim kids in New York being warned at the mosques that something real bad was going to happen and they were so excited by it they had to tell the teacher.Then, we also have a conspiracy theory about the whole of the French tv and press, one big lobby acting in unison, covering up reports about attacks on French Jews for as long as they could, just because the French journos &amp; editors all hate Jews so much and would rather not talk about Jewish kids getting beaten up. They&#039;d rather stay home and watch Will &amp; Grace, too.SuperJews, SuperFrench; SuperMuslisms. No wonder they all hate each other. There&#039;s not enough room for all these supernaturally powerful lobbies.But ah, the propagandists are supposed to be the people who actually bother to waste time responding to these patent absurdities. Propagandists, spammers and Swift Boat vets, all categories well known for their pedantic accuracy.There&#039;s a lot of parallel universes out there, where all of this is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How lovely. We have crazy rumours about Jews being warned of 9/11 and staying home watching Will &#038; Grace reruns, presumably, as their friends and colleagues were blown up by terrorists.We have urban legends about Muslim kids in New York being warned at the mosques that something real bad was going to happen and they were so excited by it they had to tell the teacher.Then, we also have a conspiracy theory about the whole of the French tv and press, one big lobby acting in unison, covering up reports about attacks on French Jews for as long as they could, just because the French journos &#038; editors all hate Jews so much and would rather not talk about Jewish kids getting beaten up. They&#8217;d rather stay home and watch Will &#038; Grace, too.SuperJews, SuperFrench; SuperMuslisms. No wonder they all hate each other. There&#8217;s not enough room for all these supernaturally powerful lobbies.But ah, the propagandists are supposed to be the people who actually bother to waste time responding to these patent absurdities. Propagandists, spammers and Swift Boat vets, all categories well known for their pedantic accuracy.There&#8217;s a lot of parallel universes out there, where all of this is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Pink Elephants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pink Elephants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I didn&#039;t liked Christophe&#039;s contribution. Fist, he tried to be serious. In a thread about silly conpiracy theories that&#039;s is not exactly rewarding.Second his first contribution displayed some &quot;dislike&quot; of Muslims.&lt;i&gt;seldom reported any attacks on Jews — even though they were far more numerous than any attacks on Muslims —&lt;/i&gt;A clever, but too obvious attempt to drag in the Muslim issue. What have those attacks on Muslimsgot to do with it?&lt;i&gt;A recent article in Libération tabulated the anti-Muslim and anti-Jewish incidents over the past three years and found that there were nearly twice as many of the latter, and that not a single anti-Muslim incident could be attributed to Jews.&lt;/i&gt;Comparing Jews and Muslims is a dangerous topic. But in this context Liberation and Christophe are simply wrong. There&#039;s an incident with Betar in april 2002. And the JDL in France hasn&#039;t got a spotless reputation either.And then the discussion disappeared in a predictable direction. If that deserves a Swift Boat Award at least momo should share it with Christophe.And I want one too :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t liked Christophe&#8217;s contribution. Fist, he tried to be serious. In a thread about silly conpiracy theories that&#8217;s is not exactly rewarding.Second his first contribution displayed some &#8220;dislike&#8221; of Muslims.<i>seldom reported any attacks on Jews &#8212; even though they were far more numerous than any attacks on Muslims &#8212;</i>A clever, but too obvious attempt to drag in the Muslim issue. What have those attacks on Muslimsgot to do with it?<i>A recent article in Lib&#233;ration tabulated the anti-Muslim and anti-Jewish incidents over the past three years and found that there were nearly twice as many of the latter, and that not a single anti-Muslim incident could be attributed to Jews.</i>Comparing Jews and Muslims is a dangerous topic. But in this context Liberation and Christophe are simply wrong. There&#8217;s an incident with Betar in april 2002. And the <span class="caps">JDL</span> in France hasn&#8217;t got a spotless reputation either.And then the discussion disappeared in a predictable direction. If that deserves a Swift Boat Award at least momo should share it with Christophe.And I want one too :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christophe,I assume you are a recent visitor to CT. Too bad, because otherwise you would have known that &quot;Momo&quot; is more spammer than genuine commenter. He likes to see his name in print and will engage in endless, obtuse arguments with everyone. As with spammers everywhere, once he has your address (so to speak), there is no polite way of ending an exchange. His positions are fixed and no amount of explanation will satisfy his seeming &quot;curiosity&quot;. Though their politics are probably different, I like your comparison with the Swift Boaters; nothing less than total acquiescence is possible with such people. It&#039;s a losing proposition.But thanks for your contribution. Some of us here appreciated it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Christophe,I assume you are a recent visitor to CT. Too bad, because otherwise you would have known that &#8220;Momo&#8221; is more spammer than genuine commenter. He likes to see his name in print and will engage in endless, obtuse arguments with everyone. As with spammers everywhere, once he has your address (so to speak), there is no polite way of ending an exchange. His positions are fixed and no amount of explanation will satisfy his seeming &#8220;curiosity&#8221;. Though their politics are probably different, I like your comparison with the Swift Boaters; nothing less than total acquiescence is possible with such people. It&#8217;s a losing proposition.But thanks for your contribution. Some of us here appreciated it.</p>
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		<title>By: momo</title>
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		<dc:creator>momo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A correction - you said &quot;accusations of antisemitism&quot;, but the point is the episodes of antisemitism that you claim were under-reported were real, not accusations in intellectual debates on the drawing line between anti-Israel political ideas and antisemitism. Even if Vidal was the editor of all French media, and even if his pro-Palestinian position was the most biased there is, I can honestly hardly picture a voluntary conspiracy to block out news of real incidents of antisemitism for &quot;fear&quot; they may &quot;play into the hands of Zionist&quot;. If anything, people with different ideas on Israeli policies and the Palestinians will still explain that wave of antisemitism in different ways, you must know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A correction &#8211; you said &#8220;accusations of antisemitism&#8221;, but the point is the episodes of antisemitism that you claim were under-reported were real, not accusations in intellectual debates on the drawing line between anti-Israel political ideas and antisemitism. Even if Vidal was the editor of all French media, and even if his pro-Palestinian position was the most biased there is, I can honestly hardly picture a voluntary conspiracy to block out news of real incidents of antisemitism for &#8220;fear&#8221; they may &#8220;play into the hands of Zionist&#8221;. If anything, people with different ideas on Israeli policies and the Palestinians will still explain that wave of antisemitism in different ways, you must know that.</p>
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		<title>By: pink elephants</title>
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		<dc:creator>pink elephants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;All your are belong to us!&lt;/i&gt;They are stealing my base!(And maybe I should have learned writing correct Inglese)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>All your are belong to us!</i>They are stealing my base!(And maybe I should have learned writing correct Inglese)</p>
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		<title>By: momo</title>
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		<dc:creator>momo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh gosh. I&#039;ve been promoted to Swift Veteran now. Where&#039;s my medal?Christophe, the article is there, in plain(ish) English, I think we can both read that. Did I translate wrongly? I can perfectly see what Vidal is sharing with Finkelstein is what he puts as the &quot;the anger of a defender of the Palestinian cause&quot; and the criticism of what he calls the &quot;manipulation&quot; of the memory of the Holocaust for money by those organisations he refers to. It&#039;s clear he has his own strong position on that.But I _honestly_ don&#039;t quite see the bit where he &quot;&lt;i&gt;shares Finkelstein’s view that accusations of anti-Semitism play into the hands of Zionists&lt;/i&gt;&quot;, that&#039;s quite a leap, also because the review is talking only about what they call the financial &quot;industry of the Holocaust&quot;, not the episodes of antisemitic violence in France. I asked you a simple question about how you could justify a blanket statement about the French media keeping silent on antisemitism until last year. You were the one to focus on that article by Vidal, indeed, as some sort of proof for your assertion about all the French media. I simply don&#039;t think your responses are providing much basis for that claim, let alone the specific claim that Vidal is espousing Finkelstein&#039;s views on the Holocaust. If this is &quot;bad faith&quot; on my part, then, I don&#039;t know... I guess I should have simply said, &quot;ok if you say so I&#039;ll take it as true&quot;. Right?Sorry to be such a pedant, but when somebody makes that kind of blanket statements I usually get curious to hear more substantial arguments, that&#039;s all. A Swift Boat propagandist. No less. No really, the irony is killing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh gosh. I&#8217;ve been promoted to Swift Veteran now. Where&#8217;s my medal?Christophe, the article is there, in plain(ish) English, I think we can both read that. Did I translate wrongly? I can perfectly see what Vidal is sharing with Finkelstein is what he puts as the &#8220;the anger of a defender of the Palestinian cause&#8221; and the criticism of what he calls the &#8220;manipulation&#8221; of the memory of the Holocaust for money by those organisations he refers to. It&#8217;s clear he has his own strong position on that.But I <em>honestly</em> don&#8217;t quite see the bit where he &#8220;<i>shares Finkelstein&#8217;s view that accusations of anti-Semitism play into the hands of Zionists</i>&#8220;, that&#8217;s quite a leap, also because the review is talking only about what they call the financial &#8220;industry of the Holocaust&#8221;, not the episodes of antisemitic violence in France. I asked you a simple question about how you could justify a blanket statement about the French media keeping silent on antisemitism until last year. You were the one to focus on that article by Vidal, indeed, as some sort of proof for your assertion about all the French media. I simply don&#8217;t think your responses are providing much basis for that claim, let alone the specific claim that Vidal is espousing Finkelstein&#8217;s views on the Holocaust. If this is &#8220;bad faith&#8221; on my part, then, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; I guess I should have simply said, &#8220;ok if you say so I&#8217;ll take it as true&#8221;. Right?Sorry to be such a pedant, but when somebody makes that kind of blanket statements I usually get curious to hear more substantial arguments, that&#8217;s all. A Swift Boat propagandist. No less. No really, the irony is killing me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pink Elephants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pink Elephants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;this exchange is closed.&lt;/i&gt;All your are belong to us!There&#039;s no way you can reasonably discuss a conspiracy. Which also goes for those relating to France and anti-semitism.Bring on the Swift Boats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>this exchange is closed.</i>All your are belong to us!There&#8217;s no way you can reasonably discuss a conspiracy. Which also goes for those relating to France and anti-semitism.Bring on the Swift Boats!</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christophe G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I engaged in a correspondence with you, Momo, in good faith, but now see that your tactics were more akin to the Swift Boat propagandists than to any honest desire to understand Dominique Vidal&#039;s paradoxical positions. It was Dsquared who originally linked to Vidal; I merely tried to explain who he was. To simply: Vidal shares Finkelstein&#039;s view that accusations of anti-Semitism play into the hands of Zionists. I can see now that for someone so wilfully purblind as yourself, this would definitely be &quot;&lt;i&gt;something that escapes me&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.On that weary note, this exchange is closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I engaged in a correspondence with you, Momo, in good faith, but now see that your tactics were more akin to the Swift Boat propagandists than to any honest desire to understand Dominique Vidal&#8217;s paradoxical positions. It was Dsquared who originally linked to Vidal; I merely tried to explain who he was. To simply: Vidal shares Finkelstein&#8217;s view that accusations of anti-Semitism play into the hands of Zionists. I can see now that for someone so wilfully purblind as yourself, this would definitely be &#8220;<i>something that escapes me</i>&#8220;.On that weary note, this exchange is closed.</p>
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		<title>By: momo</title>
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		<dc:creator>momo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ps - Christophe, in the paragraph you quoted, the reviewer does agree with the criticism about the restitution funds, but if you read the rest, the _full_ review, it is clear that&#039;s where the agreement starts, and ends. (And it also mentions the same criticism has been made by the CRIF). There&#039;s no full &quot;&lt;i&gt;espousal of the Norman Finkelstein line on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust&lt;/i&gt;&quot; as you&#039;d stated - in fact, Vidal expressly says Finkelstein&#039;s views on that are &quot;indisputably wrong&quot; and even &quot;outrageous&quot; when he gets to give praise to Irving. Again, how that review should represent or explain a supposed silence of the media about antisemitic attacks, is something that escapes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ps &#8211; Christophe, in the paragraph you quoted, the reviewer does agree with the criticism about the restitution funds, but if you read the rest, the <em>full</em> review, it is clear that&#8217;s where the agreement starts, and ends. (And it also mentions the same criticism has been made by the <span class="caps">CRIF</span>). There&#8217;s no full &#8220;<i>espousal of the Norman Finkelstein line on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust</i>&#8221; as you&#8217;d stated &#8211; in fact, Vidal expressly says Finkelstein&#8217;s views on that are &#8220;indisputably wrong&#8221; and even &#8220;outrageous&#8221; when he gets to give praise to Irving. Again, how that review should represent or explain a supposed silence of the media about antisemitic attacks, is something that escapes me.</p>
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		<title>By: momo</title>
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		<dc:creator>momo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cristophe, it&#039;s interesting how you went from arguing that the French media were supposedly silent on antisemitism up to last year to arguing about Vidal&#039;s positions and then about one article only, now this is probably going off topic by now, but I don&#039;t think my French is that bad that I missed the part where Vidal &quot;espouses&quot; - complete agreement and identification - Finkelstein&#039;s theories (apologies for &#039;derailing&#039; this further off topic - and for the rough translation):&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Ambiguities&lt;/i&gt; - The art of the pamphlet is an ungrateful one. When writing in such a short form, one risks superficiality. Polemical verve leads to taking wrong turns with words. And, when you plunge into the logic of a diatribe, you can get derailed and reach the lowest level. The small ambiguous book by Norman Finkelstein, alas, doesn&#039;t escape these flaws (characteristics).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Alas, because the anger of this defender of the Palestinian cause is legitimate: he wants to denounce the instrumentalisation of the Shoah, which, after being used as shield for the State of Israel, is used by the main Jewish American associations to get billions of dollars from swiss banks, big german companies and governments of central Europe, money of which only a part is given back to the victims of genocide.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;This extortion enterprise has been devised and managed in the United States - it has been condemned, as is recalled by Rony Brauman in an embarassed postface, by the board of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutionsin France - Conseil représentatif des institutions juives de France (CRIF). Hence a first question, more to the French publisher than to the author: knowing the big difference between the American and French realities, is it responsible to translate a work of this kind as is, without even a solid explanation in a preface? Let&#039;s take one example: lobbies are part of the ordinary social and political structure in the United States, so the expression &#039;Jewish lobby&#039; may seem objective on the other side of the Atlantic, but here, it recalls the language of the far right speaking about an inexistant &quot;Jewish lobby&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;No doubt it would also have been necessary to explain the oppressive climate in which radical American intellectuals have to fight. Maybe this explains the unmoderated propension Finkelstein shows for &quot;conspiracitis&quot;. According to him, Jewish American organisations knowingly organised the silence on the Shoah during the cold war (during which Federal Germany was allied with America) to only start reconstructing its memory starting with the six day war (which inaugurated Israel&#039;s alliance with Washington).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So many claims, so many errors. The privileged relations between Israel and the United States go back to long before 1967. The same goes for the first attempt to have the large public confronted with the nazi genocide: the trial of Adolf Eichmann dates to 1961. No doubt David Ben Gourion had the perpetrator of the « solution finale » appraised and judged for motives relating to foreign and domestic policy (voir l’article de Tom Segev). But it was first of all necessary to revive a memory that had really been suppressed, as amazing as that may seem today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason is simply that, in Israel as in France and in other countries, most of the survivors from the concentration camps, on their return home, didn&#039;t want to speak about the horror. It was not possible: taken in the joy about the end of the war and the celebration of the heroes of the resistance, the world could not hear those who were accused of having &quot;gone to the slaughter like lambs&quot;. It&#039;s rather to their children that the survivors, a lot later, started telling their stories...&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Reducing the awareness of the specificity of the genocide of Jews to the machinations of an American lobby poses an ultimate and serious question. There is no living memory of a genocide that is not universelle and not clan-like: so that the tragedy of victims allows warning the whole of humanity against the crime of crimes! From this point of view, Finkelstein is absolutely right in fighting the &quot;uniqueness&quot; in the name of which some refuse to inscribe the Shoah in a long chain of genocides. But he is also indisputably wrong to ignore that what happened to Jews -  as the German historian Eberhard Jäckel wrote -  was &quot;something unique, because never before had a state decided and announced, under the authority of their supreme leader, that a certain group of people had to be exterminated, if possible in their totality (...) and then followed that decision and applied that with all the means at their disposal&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Many researchers, especially in Germany, strive, by consulting archives, to go deeper and with new approaches into the study of the nazi genocide. Their works are nearly unknown in France. That they are equally ignored by Norman Finkelstein is suprising. Because to the fraud of manipulators as well as negationists [*], there is only one ultimate answer: history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;[*]  The appreciation and praise lavished by Finkelstein on David Irving, who has recently been condemned for his negationism, is outrageous. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Cristophe - I&#039;m _not_ saying I subscribe to all the arguments there, or that I think they&#039;re particularly convincing, but I _don&#039;t see an espousal_ of outrageous conspiracy or revisionist or negationist or antisemitic theories, or anything that would _account for_ a voluntary and knowing omission about antisemitic attacks in his own paper, OR in the French media at large. Even Libération is overtly pro-Palestinian. So? Was your implication that that position would lead a media entity to ignore news about antisemitic attacks in France? That all the media in France are on the same line with Libération and Le Monde, and so pro-Palestinian that they would purposefully ignore racist, antisemitic attacks within France because... reporting about them might produce a pro-Israel reaction?? It doesn&#039;t make sense, and it doesn&#039;t seem the case. It is certainly true, though, that the trend in France was not picked up outside of France, and especially in the US, until a year after 9/11, when it started gathering a lot more international attention, but even there, I wouldn&#039;t resort to political assumptions about there being a voluntary omission before. It just seems the attacks first escalated into a visible trend, which was then picked up in significant terms by international media, thinkers, intellectuals, politicians, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cristophe, it&#8217;s interesting how you went from arguing that the French media were supposedly silent on antisemitism up to last year to arguing about Vidal&#8217;s positions and then about one article only, now this is probably going off topic by now, but I don&#8217;t think my French is that bad that I missed the part where Vidal &#8220;espouses&#8221; &#8211; complete agreement and identification &#8211; Finkelstein&#8217;s theories (apologies for &#8216;derailing&#8217; this further off topic &#8211; and for the rough translation):<blockquote><i>Ambiguities</i> &#8211; The art of the pamphlet is an ungrateful one. When writing in such a short form, one risks superficiality. Polemical verve leads to taking wrong turns with words. And, when you plunge into the logic of a diatribe, you can get derailed and reach the lowest level. The small ambiguous book by Norman Finkelstein, alas, doesn&#8217;t escape these flaws (characteristics).</blockquote><blockquote>Alas, because the anger of this defender of the Palestinian cause is legitimate: he wants to denounce the instrumentalisation of the Shoah, which, after being used as shield for the State of Israel, is used by the main Jewish American associations to get billions of dollars from swiss banks, big german companies and governments of central Europe, money of which only a part is given back to the victims of genocide.</blockquote><blockquote>This extortion enterprise has been devised and managed in the United States &#8211; it has been condemned, as is recalled by Rony Brauman in an embarassed postface, by the board of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutionsin France &#8211; Conseil repr&#233;sentatif des institutions juives de France (CRIF). Hence a first question, more to the French publisher than to the author: knowing the big difference between the American and French realities, is it responsible to translate a work of this kind as is, without even a solid explanation in a preface? Let&#8217;s take one example: lobbies are part of the ordinary social and political structure in the United States, so the expression &#8216;Jewish lobby&#8217; may seem objective on the other side of the Atlantic, but here, it recalls the language of the far right speaking about an inexistant &#8220;Jewish lobby&#8221;.</blockquote><blockquote>No doubt it would also have been necessary to explain the oppressive climate in which radical American intellectuals have to fight. Maybe this explains the unmoderated propension Finkelstein shows for &#8220;conspiracitis&#8221;. According to him, Jewish American organisations knowingly organised the silence on the Shoah during the cold war (during which Federal Germany was allied with America) to only start reconstructing its memory starting with the six day war (which inaugurated Israel&#8217;s alliance with Washington).</blockquote><blockquote>So many claims, so many errors. The privileged relations between Israel and the United States go back to long before 1967. The same goes for the first attempt to have the large public confronted with the nazi genocide: the trial of Adolf Eichmann dates to 1961. No doubt David Ben Gourion had the perpetrator of the &#171;&#160;solution finale&#160;&#187; appraised and judged for motives relating to foreign and domestic policy (voir l&#8217;article de Tom Segev). But it was first of all necessary to revive a memory that had really been suppressed, as amazing as that may seem today.</blockquote><blockquote>The reason is simply that, in Israel as in France and in other countries, most of the survivors from the concentration camps, on their return home, didn&#8217;t want to speak about the horror. It was not possible: taken in the joy about the end of the war and the celebration of the heroes of the resistance, the world could not hear those who were accused of having &#8220;gone to the slaughter like lambs&#8221;. It&#8217;s rather to their children that the survivors, a lot later, started telling their stories&#8230;</blockquote><blockquote>Reducing the awareness of the specificity of the genocide of Jews to the machinations of an American lobby poses an ultimate and serious question. There is no living memory of a genocide that is not universelle and not clan-like: so that the tragedy of victims allows warning the whole of humanity against the crime of crimes! From this point of view, Finkelstein is absolutely right in fighting the &#8220;uniqueness&#8221; in the name of which some refuse to inscribe the Shoah in a long chain of genocides. But he is also indisputably wrong to ignore that what happened to Jews &#8211;  as the German historian Eberhard J&#228;ckel wrote &#8211;  was &#8220;something unique, because never before had a state decided and announced, under the authority of their supreme leader, that a certain group of people had to be exterminated, if possible in their totality (&#8230;) and then followed that decision and applied that with all the means at their disposal&#8221;.</blockquote><blockquote>Many researchers, especially in Germany, strive, by consulting archives, to go deeper and with new approaches into the study of the nazi genocide. Their works are nearly unknown in France. That they are equally ignored by Norman Finkelstein is suprising. Because to the fraud of manipulators as well as negationists [*], there is only one ultimate answer: history.</blockquote>  <blockquote>[*]  The appreciation and praise lavished by Finkelstein on David Irving, who has recently been condemned for his negationism, is outrageous. </blockquote>Cristophe &#8211; I&#8217;m <em>not</em> saying I subscribe to all the arguments there, or that I think they&#8217;re particularly convincing, but I <em>don&#8217;t see an espousal</em> of outrageous conspiracy or revisionist or negationist or antisemitic theories, or anything that would <em>account for</em> a voluntary and knowing omission about antisemitic attacks in his own paper, OR in the French media at large. Even Lib&#233;ration is overtly pro-Palestinian. So? Was your implication that that position would lead a media entity to ignore news about antisemitic attacks in France? That all the media in France are on the same line with Lib&#233;ration and Le Monde, and so pro-Palestinian that they would purposefully ignore racist, antisemitic attacks within France because&#8230; reporting about them might produce a pro-Israel reaction?? It doesn&#8217;t make sense, and it doesn&#8217;t seem the case. It is certainly true, though, that the trend in France was not picked up outside of France, and especially in the US, until a year after 9/11, when it started gathering a lot more international attention, but even there, I wouldn&#8217;t resort to political assumptions about there being a voluntary omission before. It just seems the attacks first escalated into a visible trend, which was then picked up in significant terms by international media, thinkers, intellectuals, politicians, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Schulz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting disclaimer in this context. So one is not allowed to state that Arab Muslims committed the 9/11 attacks?</description>
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		<title>By: mitch p.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to boil it down to something very simple: &lt;p&gt;September 11, 2001 - Christian New Year in Egypt - the suicide hijackings. &lt;p&gt;September 18, 2001 - Jewish New Year in Israel - the anthrax letters. &lt;p&gt;Some of the other stuff may just be noise. But I have a hard time believing that the coincidence above results from chance alone. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just to boil it down to something very simple: </p><p>September 11, 2001 &#8211; Christian New Year in Egypt &#8211; the suicide hijackings. </p><p>September 18, 2001 &#8211; Jewish New Year in Israel &#8211; the anthrax letters. </p><p>Some of the other stuff may just be noise. But I have a hard time believing that the coincidence above results from chance alone. </p>
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Coverage of the increased wave of anti-Semitic acts post Intifada and post 9/11 was very spotty at first and Le Monde was probably worst among the major papers.&lt;/i&gt;Well, acts of racism in general don&#039;t recieve a lot of play. There&#039;s that idea that these matters are risky and should be handled with care. There seem to be something like a catching up in the coverage these days. On the plus side, minorities (more specifically jews in this case) feel that the are heard at last, and maybe the added benefit of more openness in talking about racism in france. On the minus side, every attention craving shithead seems to have its lists of cementaries and cult places to desecrate, now that it&#039;s a ticket for media fame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Coverage of the increased wave of anti-Semitic acts post Intifada and post 9/11 was very spotty at first and Le Monde was probably worst among the major papers.</i>Well, acts of racism in general don&#8217;t recieve a lot of play. There&#8217;s that idea that these matters are risky and should be handled with care. There seem to be something like a catching up in the coverage these days. On the plus side, minorities (more specifically jews in this case) feel that the are heard at last, and maybe the added benefit of more openness in talking about racism in france. On the minus side, every attention craving shithead seems to have its lists of cementaries and cult places to desecrate, now that it&#8217;s a ticket for media fame.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Pay per click Search Engine Advertising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point guys! You can search for more information at http://www.giveramp.com as it&#039;s better then Google for this type of topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good point guys! You can search for more information at <a href="http://www.giveramp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.giveramp.com</a> as it&#8217;s better then Google for this type of topic.</p>
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		<title>By: pink elephants</title>
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		<dc:creator>pink elephants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s a story!Much better than the conspiracies about France and anti-semitism.</description>
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