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	<title>Comments on: Ocean&#8217;s What?</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Phersu</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42304</link>
		<dc:creator>Phersu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting for &lt;i&gt;Malcolm XI: The Return&lt;/i&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am still waiting for <i>Malcolm XI: The Return</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42303</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Hollywood did Greek tragedy, we&#039;d wind up with &quot;Eight Against Thebes&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If Hollywood did Greek tragedy, we&#8217;d wind up with &#8220;Eight Against Thebes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: the_home</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42302</link>
		<dc:creator>the_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because no one counts one.. two.. three.. four.. five.. six.. seven.. eight.. nine.. ten.. eleven.. DOZEN.That&#039;s why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Because no one counts one.. two.. three.. four.. five.. six.. seven.. eight.. nine.. ten.. eleven.. <span class="caps">DOZEN</span>.That&#8217;s why.</p>
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		<title>By: bicyclemark</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42301</link>
		<dc:creator>bicyclemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they should do star wars numbering... and it should be OCeans 1Oh and thats the worst trailer Ive ever seen.  Basically because there&#039;s nothing to see. I could have made that trailer. thats pathetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe they should do star wars numbering&#8230; and it should be OCeans 1Oh and thats the worst trailer Ive ever seen.  Basically because there&#8217;s nothing to see. I could have made that trailer. thats pathetic!</p>
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		<title>By: liberal japonicus</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42300</link>
		<dc:creator>liberal japonicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Ellison, I would assume that he liked the solipsism inherent in _Again Dangerous Visions_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As for Ellison, I would assume that he liked the solipsism inherent in <em>Again Dangerous Visions</em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Parmenter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42299</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Parmenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am inevitably reminded of the retitling of &lt;em&gt;The Madness of King George III&lt;/em&gt; to &lt;em&gt;The Madness of King George&lt;/em&gt; for American consumption for fear that we wouldn&#039;t come if we thought we had missed the first two films in the series.And, while we&#039;re on the subject, how about Harlan Ellison calling the sequels to his &lt;em&gt;Dangerous Visions&lt;/em&gt; books the semi-literate &lt;em&gt;Again  Dangerous Visions&lt;/em&gt; instead of the obvious, and more interesting, &lt;em&gt;More Dangerous Visions&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am inevitably reminded of the retitling of <em>The Madness of King George <span class="caps">III</span></em> to <em>The Madness of King George</em> for American consumption for fear that we wouldn&#8217;t come if we thought we had missed the first two films in the series.And, while we&#8217;re on the subject, how about Harlan Ellison calling the sequels to his <em>Dangerous Visions</em> books the semi-literate <em>Again  Dangerous Visions</em> instead of the obvious, and more interesting, <em>More Dangerous Visions</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Something Polish</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42298</link>
		<dc:creator>Something Polish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John Carpenter&#039;s Ocean&#039;s Twelve&quot; has a nice ring to it, but not as nice as &quot;Billy Ocean&#039;s Get of My Dreams and Into My Car.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;John Carpenter&#8217;s Ocean&#8217;s Twelve&#8221; has a nice ring to it, but not as nice as &#8220;Billy Ocean&#8217;s Get of My Dreams and Into My Car.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Ereshkigal</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42297</link>
		<dc:creator>Ereshkigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the producers were moving toward metric, rather than the older English Standard quantification system.  We should be happy that they did not select binary code, thereby rendering the title to &quot;Ocean’s 1.1.0.0&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apparently the producers were moving toward metric, rather than the older English Standard quantification system.  We should be happy that they did not select binary code, thereby rendering the title to &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s 1.1.0.0&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: son volt</title>
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		<dc:creator>son volt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were, in addition to the original &lt;i&gt;Ocean&#039;s Eleven&lt;/i&gt;, several other films featuring Frank Sinatra and his Rat Pack:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;li&gt;Robin &amp; the 7 Hoods&lt;li&gt;4 for Texas&lt;li&gt;Sergeant&#039;s 3&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;It was some kind of Rat Pack in-joke for all the films to contain a number that is a potential roll of a pair of dice. So &quot;Ocean&#039;s 12&quot; works. But AFAIK  no one ever says &quot;you rolled a dozen&quot; at a craps table  the proposed alternative would not obey the convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There were, in addition to the original <i>Ocean&#8217;s Eleven</i>, several other films featuring Frank Sinatra and his Rat Pack:<ul><i><li>Robin &#038; the 7 Hoods</li><li>4 for Texas</li><li>Sergeant&#8217;s 3</li></i></ul>It was some kind of Rat Pack in-joke for all the films to contain a number that is a potential roll of a pair of dice. So &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s 12&#8221; works. But <span class="caps">AFAIK </span> no one ever says &#8220;you rolled a dozen&#8221; at a craps table  the proposed alternative would not obey the convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42295</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ocean’s 2nd XI&lt;/i&gt;Now I&#039;m going to have to try to explain to some Americans why that&#039;s so funny. Just like I had to during the World Cup in Korea, when Irish fans were found wandering the streets singing &quot;We love you long time, we do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Ocean&#8217;s 2nd XI</i>Now I&#8217;m going to have to try to explain to some Americans why that&#8217;s so funny. Just like I had to during the World Cup in Korea, when Irish fans were found wandering the streets singing &#8220;We love you long time, we do.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42294</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it&#039;s bound to be awful, I&#039;d suggest that &quot;Ocean&#039;s 2nd XI&quot; would be a more honest title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since it&#8217;s bound to be awful, I&#8217;d suggest that &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s 2nd XI&#8221; would be a more honest title.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42293</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, bad HTML tags. Should read:And, giving the growing desperation of the industry to find new franchises, the production of 11 and 12 provides a prima facie case for making prequels 1 to 10.For an industry that can make films like &lt;i&gt;Final and Total Destruction of the Universe 2&lt;/i&gt; this is a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oops, bad <span class="caps">HTML</span> tags. Should read:And, giving the growing desperation of the industry to find new franchises, the production of 11 and 12 provides a prima facie case for making prequels 1 to 10.For an industry that can make films like <i>Final and Total Destruction of the Universe 2</i> this is a no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, giving the growing desperation of the industry to find new franchises, the production of 11 and 12 provides a prima facie case for making prequels 1 to 10.For an industry that can make films like &lt;i&gt;Final and Total Destruction of the Universe 2&lt;/a&gt; this is a no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And, giving the growing desperation of the industry to find new franchises, the production of 11 and 12 provides a prima facie case for making prequels 1 to 10.For an industry that can make films like <i>Final and Total Destruction of the Universe 2 this is a no-brainer.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Simmonds</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42291</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Simmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for &quot;Ocean&#039;s Tweleven&quot;, myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I voted for &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s Tweleven&#8221;, myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Scaramouche</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/09/13/oceans-what/comment-page-1/#comment-42290</link>
		<dc:creator>Scaramouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that a group of home-grown terrorists and thiefs should not share the same number of original disciples (sans one)?I&#039;m just guessing here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Could it be that a group of home-grown terrorists and thiefs should not share the same number of original disciples (sans one)?I&#8217;m just guessing here&#8230;</p>
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