Comments on: Sore Winners

By: close

close — Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:23:04 +0000

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By: yabonn

yabonn — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:43:12 +0000

What a sticky fingers bunch you all are. Could anyone please pass the tarnish? … Or roll another at least?

By: Kieran Healy

Kieran Healy — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:18:44 +0000

But you just arrogantly dismiss it as “tarnish.” So now I’m tarnishing myself with a brush I am also arrogantly dismissing? I clearly can’t win around here.

By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 04:48:16 +0000

Just keep brushing away chris3’s thoughts as redneck ranting, and you will continue losing touch with America, and losing elections. Open minded people will consider what was said and try to analyze the reasons people feel the way they do. But you just arrogantly dismiss it as “tarnish.” So much for the open-minded progressives! Well, it does give me satisfaction to witness you fine fellows muddling about in shock, confusion, and self delusion. As for me, I’ll be heading to the gunstore later to buy me some new “assault weapons” with the money I saved from my tax cuts. You really ought to take up shooting, it’s such an enjoyable stress-reliever, something you boys really need lately.

By: Kieran Healy

Kieran Healy — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:19:03 +0000

Isn’t cherry picking some grand examples … Come on, Jet, I wasn’t the one trawling around looking for the worst I could find. It was the other way around: they linked to me in their effort to cherry pick some grand examples of liberal elitist blah de blah.

By: Walt Pohl

Walt Pohl — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:47:41 +0000

Jet: Notice that it’s not just dumb people—it’s dumb people being dumb about a post on Crooked Timber.

By: Keith M Ellis

Keith M Ellis — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:03:30 +0000

It’s a cheap shot to pick some morons of opposing beliefs and mock them. On the other hand, it’s surprising to me, although perhaps it shouldn’t be, that someone would think that “look at all that red relative to so little blue” could be very meaningful without correcting for geographical area. But they think it’s a form of lying! Morons. (Also: the only blue NM county that’s arguably due to “kalifornicators” is Santa Fe county. Every other blue NM county is not. And Albuquerque isn’t even majority Hispanic. And all the northern blue counties, at least, that are majority Hispanic are of families that have been living in the area since before the US was founded. Probably a portion of the blue along the border is “illegal immigrants”, I guess, although the poster doesn’t exactly explain how it is that illegal immigrants are voting in a national election. But most of those south Texas Rio Grande valley folks are Hispanics that have lived there for a long, long while.)

By: Jackmormon

Jackmormon — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:29:00 +0000

A caller to a CSPAN program on the campaigns last night made a similar point to these guys you linked to. He argued that the Democrats only had a chance because of “a few presincts outside of LA and NYC.” And when you look at the map, with all its vast red states, you can see why these people feel justified in loathing those tiny blue patches. Unfortunately for them, electoral clout still has something to do with population…

By: jet

jet — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:58:37 +0000

No, let’s laugh at the dumb rednecks. You know you want to, and you did just lose an election to them. Isn’t cherry picking some grand examples of their ignorance the best thing we could do in this time of introspection? Perhaps there is a “Crooked Timber” on the right cherry picking some exerpts from IndieMedia and having a good chuckle. How better to elevate the debate than by magnify the worst each side has to offer?

By: Benedict Eastaugh

Benedict Eastaugh — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:30:23 +0000

“I think the broader point is that we all know there are morons out there (across the political spectrum) and that these particular morons don’t bring anything of interest to the discussion.” Shelby illustrates part of what I meant rather better than I did, the other part being that if drawing attention to an interesting point of view wasn’t the purpose of the post, then laughing at them probably was (and that this was unworthy of you and of Crooked Timber generally). I personally have no qualms about calling such people names, but then I don’t really feel I personally have any credibility to tarnish.

By: me2i81

me2i81 — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:27:52 +0000

We need to find a way to allow Mexicans to do our dirty jobs, but them magically disappear during non-working hours, and just as magically return for work next day. And then we can require that they contribute to a retirement fund, and then steal it. It worked so well the last time.

By: Kieran Healy

Kieran Healy — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:26:58 +0000

you are merely tarnishing the tarnish on your reputation. Varnishing it, maybe. A second coat.

By: bncthor

bncthor — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:59:29 +0000

…”the illegal mexicans that live there.” The capacity of humans to engage in folly is unlimited. How can a Mexican be illegal? We need to find a way to allow Mexicans to do our dirty jobs, but them magically disappear during non-working hours, and just as magically return for work next day.

By: George Williams

George Williams — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:46:14 +0000

“I was guessing what Benedict meant, not endorsing it.” I feel that reposting his comment did little beyond tarnishing your own credibility, Shelb. Kieran, by resposting the repost, you are merely tarnishing the tarnish on your reputation.

By: PG

PG — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:38:12 +0000

I wish we could get the detailed satellite maps of each county done up in election colors, just so my little dot of blue could represent. In Texas politics, I might have to start arguing that the “straight ticket” option is excessively prejudicial to the local Democratic politicians, who ought not be associated with the national ones if they want any hope of election.