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		<title>By: 587a4d3c1c3551589c</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/11/07/the-british-american-project/comment-page-2/#comment-68834</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: probligo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/11/07/the-british-american-project/comment-page-2/#comment-18621</link>
		<dc:creator>probligo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look you stupid nincompoops,  you all got it wrong...Britain has got some 1000 years of history taking them from despotic monarchy to &quot;democratic monarchy&quot;Tying the knot to the USA in the manner suggested would be heading them back in the opposite direction.Get real!!!   The big mistake was letting the terrorists who sank the tea in Boston get away with it!!!That huge hunk of red to the left of the ditch should in fact be going back to mother England cap in hand and begging forgiveness.If accepted,  then the best solution would be colonial administration from a small office in Sligo.  Yeah I know that&#039;s Ireland,  but with their experience with Sinn Fein and IRA I just thought there might be some useful lessons in the correct treatment of terrorists...:-D;-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>look you stupid nincompoops,  you all got it wrong&#8230;Britain has got some 1000 years of history taking them from despotic monarchy to &#8220;democratic monarchy&#8221;Tying the knot to the <span class="caps">USA</span> in the manner suggested would be heading them back in the opposite direction.Get real<img src="!" alt="" border="0" />   The big mistake was letting the terrorists who sank the tea in Boston get away with it<img src="!" alt="" border="0" />That huge hunk of red to the left of the ditch should in fact be going back to mother England cap in hand and begging forgiveness.If accepted,  then the best solution would be colonial administration from a small office in Sligo.  Yeah I know that&#8217;s Ireland,  but with their experience with Sinn Fein and <span class="caps">IRA I</span> just thought there might be some useful lessons in the correct treatment of terrorists&#8230;:-D;-D</p>
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		<title>By: Atlantan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/11/07/the-british-american-project/comment-page-2/#comment-18620</link>
		<dc:creator>Atlantan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I love England -- Great Britain -- the United Kingdom, or whatever it is that is the politically correct cognomen --there are two problems with the Anglosphere as proposed:(1) y&#039;all are Socialists and we already have enough problems with our Democrats; and (2) having one queen has already disrupted the US version of the Anglican Communion, I don&#039;t think the US is ready for another.One possible solution would be to limit suffrage to Tories, but as far as I can tell, they generally don&#039;t like Americans, and in any case once y&#039;all get in the U.S., you&#039;d probably raise some silly Constitutional objection to that requirement, and we have too many lawsuits as it is.  So, why don&#039;t you limit the proposed Union to a military-intellence-economic union with the US and Australia (the Canadians and Kiwis are lost cousins, to be mourned but not embraced).  That way, you keep your culture free from us, and you don&#039;t have to put up with those nasty supercilious Frogs or Brussels Sprouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As much as I love England&#8212;Great Britain&#8212;the United Kingdom, or whatever it is that is the politically correct cognomen&#8212;there are two problems with the Anglosphere as proposed:(1) y&#8217;all are Socialists and we already have enough problems with our Democrats; and (2) having one queen has already disrupted the US version of the Anglican Communion, I don&#8217;t think the US is ready for another.One possible solution would be to limit suffrage to Tories, but as far as I can tell, they generally don&#8217;t like Americans, and in any case once y&#8217;all get in the U.S., you&#8217;d probably raise some silly Constitutional objection to that requirement, and we have too many lawsuits as it is.  So, why don&#8217;t you limit the proposed Union to a military-intellence-economic union with the US and Australia (the Canadians and Kiwis are lost cousins, to be mourned but not embraced).  That way, you keep your culture free from us, and you don&#8217;t have to put up with those nasty supercilious Frogs or Brussels Sprouts.</p>
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		<title>By: IJ</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/11/07/the-british-american-project/comment-page-2/#comment-18619</link>
		<dc:creator>IJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should Scotland divorce and remarry?  Moreover, join another nation that has effectively withdrawn from the United Nations.  But would the Scottish economy profit by joining the dollar?  Perhaps - the dollar is a falling currency; imports will become very expensive.  It&#039;ll be cheaper to produce whatever is possible in Scotland.  Just like in WW2 which the UN was supposed to stop.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Should Scotland divorce and remarry?  Moreover, join another nation that has effectively withdrawn from the United Nations.  But would the Scottish economy profit by joining the dollar?  Perhaps &#8211; the dollar is a falling currency; imports will become very expensive.  It&#8217;ll be cheaper to produce whatever is possible in Scotland.  Just like in <span class="caps">WW2</span> which the UN was supposed to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have it backwards. Have the United States join Briatian, not the other way about. Then they would have things like something resembling democracy, instead of that election every four years crap.Inasmuch, however, tht I left the states 35 years ago to live in Canada, woud you want to be the same nationality as those twerps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You have it backwards. Have the United States join Briatian, not the other way about. Then they would have things like something resembling democracy, instead of that election every four years crap.Inasmuch, however, tht I left the states 35 years ago to live in Canada, woud you want to be the same nationality as those twerps?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have it backwards. Have the United States join Briatian, not the other way about. Then they would have things like something resembling democracy, instead of that election every four years crap.Inasmuch, however, tht I left the states 35 years ago to live in Canada, woud you want to be the same nationality as those twerps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You have it backwards. Have the United States join Briatian, not the other way about. Then they would have things like something resembling democracy, instead of that election every four years crap.Inasmuch, however, tht I left the states 35 years ago to live in Canada, woud you want to be the same nationality as those twerps?</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So in this presumtive new US who would pay the transfers to NI and Scotland &lt;/i&gt;The Republic of Ireland (or as I like to think of it, Western Massachussetts) would bear the cost of reunification, rather like the Germans did.Scotland would not need transfers under my plan; if you look carefully, you&#039;ll see that I sneakily gave them the oil.There would be a certain amount of military kerfuffle, however; the enclave of Ynys Mon would take a leaf out of Iceland&#039;s book and engage in some adventurous guarding of its fishing rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>So in this presumtive new US who would pay the transfers to NI and Scotland </i>The Republic of Ireland (or as I like to think of it, Western Massachussetts) would bear the cost of reunification, rather like the Germans did.Scotland would not need transfers under my plan; if you look carefully, you&#8217;ll see that I sneakily gave them the oil.There would be a certain amount of military kerfuffle, however; the enclave of Ynys Mon would take a leaf out of Iceland&#8217;s book and engage in some adventurous guarding of its fishing rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Beck</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/11/07/the-british-american-project/comment-page-2/#comment-18615</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then there are the serious issues: will the Americans ever get the hang of football? (I know they have a game they call football, but I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about football.)&quot;Actualy, we have been getting the hang of football for some time now. Our women are among the very best in the world, and our men are catching. The US Men&#039;s National Team is already just about the best in our region (granted, it&#039;s not a very tough region). We did very well in the 2002 World Cup, reaching the quarter-finals, where we damn near beat Germany.Major League Soccer over here is doing decently (probably better at this point than the much longer established National Hockey League, which is in all kinds of trouble).As for rugby and cricket...we&#039;ll be happy and proud to let you represent us in all the internationals you want. And you can cheer for the USA basketball team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Then there are the serious issues: will the Americans ever get the hang of football? (I know they have a game they call football, but I&#8217;m not talking about that, I&#8217;m talking about football.)&#8221;Actualy, we have been getting the hang of football for some time now. Our women are among the very best in the world, and our men are catching. The <span class="caps">US </span>Men&#8217;s National Team is already just about the best in our region (granted, it&#8217;s not a very tough region). We did very well in the 2002 World Cup, reaching the quarter-finals, where we damn near beat Germany.Major League Soccer over here is doing decently (probably better at this point than the much longer established National Hockey League, which is in all kinds of trouble).As for rugby and cricket&#8230;we&#8217;ll be happy and proud to let you represent us in all the internationals you want. And you can cheer for the <span class="caps">USA</span> basketball team.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention that I am 100% in favor of Daniel&#039;s idea, especially if it can be arranged before March, so that we can get the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; BBC over here in the United States (not BBC America!) so I can see the new &lt;i&gt;Doctor Who&lt;/i&gt; series when it starts running in Britain and not have to wait until some US channel picks it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I forgot to mention that I am 100% in favor of Daniel&#8217;s idea, especially if it can be arranged before March, so that we can get the <i>real</i> BBC over here in the United States (not <span class="caps">BBC </span>America!) so I can see the new <i>Doctor Who</i> series when it starts running in Britain and not have to wait until some US channel picks it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a novel in the 1970s that posited this premise (although in the context of the Cold War) with the unfortunate title &lt;i&gt;U.S.U.K.&lt;/i&gt; I hope that was not Daniel&#039;s first choice.Obviously this is a joke, as there is no way this could ever happen. The Republicans would shit bricks to build a Hindu Temple before they would agree to this. Still, it&#039;s a fun idea if someone has time to write a new novel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There was a novel in the 1970s that posited this premise (although in the context of the Cold War) with the unfortunate title <i>U.S.U.K.</i> I hope that was not Daniel&#8217;s first choice.Obviously this is a joke, as there is no way this could ever happen. The Republicans would shit bricks to build a Hindu Temple before they would agree to this. Still, it&#8217;s a fun idea if someone has time to write a new novel&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are more Irish living in the US than in Ireland anyway; may as well reunite them all.&lt;/i&gt;While such a loose definition may have done wonders for Jack Charlton in the 1980s, it certainly doesn&#039;t pass muster elsewhere. There&#039;s a reason why Dubliners clear out of the city when the Oirish crowds arrive for St Paddy&#039;s. (One wonders, in fact, whether the training of Indian call-centre workers to take British/American names and accents has its origin in the fake-Irish bars of the north-eastern US, where New Jerseyites rechristen themselves as sons of Erin.)As for dsquared&#039;s proposal: it&#039;s obvious that Welsh independence would soon lead to a north-south civil war, ending in a bloody battle as the north is pushed back to Anglesey / Ynys Môn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>There are more Irish living in the US than in Ireland anyway; may as well reunite them all.</i>While such a loose definition may have done wonders for Jack Charlton in the 1980s, it certainly doesn&#8217;t pass muster elsewhere. There&#8217;s a reason why Dubliners clear out of the city when the Oirish crowds arrive for St Paddy&#8217;s. (One wonders, in fact, whether the training of Indian call-centre workers to take British/American names and accents has its origin in the fake-Irish bars of the north-eastern US, where New Jerseyites rechristen themselves as sons of Erin.)As for dsquared&#8217;s proposal: it&#8217;s obvious that Welsh independence would soon lead to a north-south civil war, ending in a bloody battle as the north is pushed back to Anglesey / Ynys M&#244;n.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Den Beste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Den Beste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more Irish living in the US than in Ireland anyway; may as well reunite them all.</description>
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		<title>By: MDP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad jim: &lt;i&gt;It’s been suggested that California should leave the U.S. and join the European Union. .... Washington and Oregon may want to come with us.&lt;/i&gt;Only the Blue coastal fraction of each state would have any interest in leaving the US. The geographic majority of counties in these states is pinkish-Red:&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/CA/P/00/&quot;&gt;California&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OR/P/00/index.html&quot;&gt;Oregon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WA/P/00/index.html&quot;&gt;Washington&lt;/a&gt;taylor: &lt;i&gt;As part of the deal the US should have to ... switch to a parliamentary system ...&lt;/i&gt;No thanks. It is an advantage of our system that one party only rarely controls both the executive and legislative branches of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bad jim: <i>It&#8217;s been suggested that California should leave the U.S. and join the European Union. &#8230;. Washington and Oregon may want to come with us.</i>Only the Blue coastal fraction of each state would have any interest in leaving the US. The geographic majority of counties in these states is pinkish-Red:<a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/CA/P/00/">California</a><a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OR/P/00/index.html">Oregon</a><a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WA/P/00/index.html">Washington</a>taylor: <i>As part of the deal the US should have to &#8230; switch to a parliamentary system &#8230;</i>No thanks. It is an advantage of our system that one party only rarely controls both the executive and legislative branches of government.</p>
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		<title>By: irishboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 03:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ay, Glasgow catholics are not normally guilty of the sin of dissing the Irish (prefering instead to wave the irish tricolour in the faces of their protestant neighbours, particularly at football matches) and experience, statistics or even the business press will tell you a lot about the good stuff that has happened in Scottish cities over the last few years (but the Scottish Executive&#039;s own growth estimates have been misreable for a while as have the notoriously unreliable ONS figures). Likewise the economy in NI is pretty appaling without the massive transfers from the rest of the UK even allowing for significant crowding out (it is now the poorest region on the Island) and so I think that Scotland and all Ireland are in the end at about a par in GDP terms. So in this presumtive new US who would pay the transfers to NI and Scotland (Scottish fiscal deficit = 8% of GDP according to Scottish Executive, my estimates for NI are over 30%)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ay, Glasgow catholics are not normally guilty of the sin of dissing the Irish (prefering instead to wave the irish tricolour in the faces of their protestant neighbours, particularly at football matches) and experience, statistics or even the business press will tell you a lot about the good stuff that has happened in Scottish cities over the last few years (but the Scottish Executive&#8217;s own growth estimates have been misreable for a while as have the notoriously unreliable <span class="caps">ONS</span> figures). Likewise the economy in NI is pretty appaling without the massive transfers from the rest of the UK even allowing for significant crowding out (it is now the poorest region on the Island) and so I think that Scotland and all Ireland are in the end at about a par in <span class="caps">GDP</span> terms. So in this presumtive new US who would pay the transfers to NI and Scotland (Scottish fiscal deficit = 8% of <span class="caps">GDP</span> according to Scottish Executive, my estimates for NI are over 30%)</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 03:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it.  The Boston Irish would really love to have the Emerald Isle back, too.  Though the Irish would be horrified at living in a political entity that celebrates St. Pat&#039;s with green beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Love it.  The Boston Irish would really love to have the Emerald Isle back, too.  Though the Irish would be horrified at living in a political entity that celebrates St. Pat&#8217;s with green beer.</p>
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