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		<title>By: Paul Asad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Asad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,you might want to read my post http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/000287.html on Google andKnown unknowns; my favouritesearch tool is Copernichttp://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/-Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi,you might want to read my post <a href="http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/000287.html" rel="nofollow">http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/000287.html</a> on Google andKnown unknowns; my favouritesearch tool is Copernic<a href="http://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/" rel="nofollow">http://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/</a>-Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Russkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of off-topic: Gmail has a really smart feature - which is that it rewrites URLs contained in email hyperlinks when they don&#039;t match the URL contained in the email text.If Microsoft would put this feature into Outlook it would protect all the naive users getting sucked into phishing scams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sort of off-topic: Gmail has a really smart feature &#8211; which is that it rewrites URLs contained in email hyperlinks when they don&#8217;t match the <span class="caps">URL</span> contained in the email text.If Microsoft would put this feature into Outlook it would protect all the naive users getting sucked into phishing scams.</p>
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		<title>By: Shai</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/12/14/unanticipated-google-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-54344</link>
		<dc:creator>Shai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if they supported PDF; and non local drives without tricking the program. The only feature stopping me from switching to the MSN desktop search is the caching of previously browsed web pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It would be nice if they supported <span class="caps">PDF</span>; and non local drives without tricking the program. The only feature stopping me from switching to the <span class="caps">MSN</span> desktop search is the caching of previously browsed web pages.</p>
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		<title>By: novalis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/12/14/unanticipated-google-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-54343</link>
		<dc:creator>novalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justin: Search for &quot;box model&quot; on Google.  One of the first ten hits will be the W3C standard&#039;s description of the box model.The other nine will mention (in one case, at a one-link remove) bugs in Internet Explorer&#039;s implementation of it.The box model is how web pages are layed out.  It is fortunate that Internet Explorer has other bugs which allowed the broken box model to be worked around.  I think it&#039;s now fixed (after 3 years of brokenness, plus another year of market penetration time to get to 50%),The only good thing you can say about Microsoft&#039;s dominance was that it led to the freeing of Netscape, which led to the absolutely wonderful Firefox.  But if the best thing you can say about proprietary software is that it inspires Free software, why not just do Free software in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>justin: Search for &#8220;box model&#8221; on Google.  One of the first ten hits will be the <span class="caps">W3C</span> standard&#8217;s description of the box model.The other nine will mention (in one case, at a one-link remove) bugs in Internet Explorer&#8217;s implementation of it.The box model is how web pages are layed out.  It is fortunate that Internet Explorer has other bugs which allowed the broken box model to be worked around.  I think it&#8217;s now fixed (after 3 years of brokenness, plus another year of market penetration time to get to 50%),The only good thing you can say about Microsoft&#8217;s dominance was that it led to the freeing of Netscape, which led to the absolutely wonderful Firefox.  But if the best thing you can say about proprietary software is that it inspires Free software, why not just do Free software in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: John Kozak</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kozak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IE&#039;s dominance has been terrible for the web - the standards it imposed were subtly broken variants of the real ones.  Good for MS, crap for everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>IE&#8217;s dominance has been terrible for the web &#8211; the standards it imposed were subtly broken variants of the real ones.  Good for MS, crap for everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About google search, it clashes with Opera. The pages stop loading at one third and various other oddities. So beware.Opera which is, incidentally, the One True Browser, and by a margin, if you&#039;re into multi tabbing and mouse gestures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>About google search, it clashes with Opera. The pages stop loading at one third and various other oddities. So beware.Opera which is, incidentally, the One True Browser, and by a margin, if you&#8217;re into multi tabbing and mouse gestures.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon:I didn&#039;t say that microsoft was good a search let alone better than google... but they don&#039;t have to be. If its in the OS then more people are going to use it.... and i&#039;m confident that they will figure out search before the offical release of the next generation windows. Everyone said microsoft couldn&#039;t do the internet but they did produce IE, which despite all its flaws was the superior browser for many years (until firefox).And you can argue that microsoft achived this dominance through using unfair business practices... but the reality is that dominance of IE has been good for the web in that it created common standards for developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>anon:I didn&#8217;t say that microsoft was good a search let alone better than google&#8230; but they don&#8217;t have to be. If its in the OS then more people are going to use it&#8230;. and i&#8217;m confident that they will figure out search before the offical release of the next generation windows. Everyone said microsoft couldn&#8217;t do the internet but they did produce IE, which despite all its flaws was the superior browser for many years (until firefox).And you can argue that microsoft achived this dominance through using unfair business practices&#8230; but the reality is that dominance of IE has been good for the web in that it created common standards for developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It caches deleted emails too which can be handy occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It caches deleted emails too which can be handy occasionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, as a coder you should really be using version control. Actually the same may apply to some of the rest of you, too. Although you only get the full benefits when your documents are stored in a text-based format, so it is maybe not so useful for Word users.Personally, I couldn&#039;t work without a version control system, even when I&#039;m just playing around with toy code on my own. It is so much easier to keep track of what you&#039;re doing, especially if you leave something for a while and then come back to it. It also allows you to make radical, wide-reaching changes without worrying you&#039;re not going to be able to revert back if something goes wrong.At home and at work I use &lt;a href=&quot;http://subversion.tigris.org/&quot;&gt;Subversion&lt;/a&gt;, which I can strongly recommend. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://subversion.tigris.org/files/documents/15/18207/svn-1.1.1-setup-2.exe&quot;&gt;windows installer&lt;/a&gt; should install it with zero-effort, and the wonderful &lt;a href=&quot;http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/&quot;&gt;Tortoise&lt;/a&gt; client integrates seemlessly with your explorer, so you can do everything by just pointing and clicking. I think you may need to use the command-line once to setup your repository, but that is as simple as doing a &quot;svnadmin create Repository&quot; in the directory you want it. It also has excellent &lt;a href=&quot;http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/index.html&quot;&gt;documentation&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Andrew, as a coder you should really be using version control. Actually the same may apply to some of the rest of you, too. Although you only get the full benefits when your documents are stored in a text-based format, so it is maybe not so useful for Word users.Personally, I couldn&#8217;t work without a version control system, even when I&#8217;m just playing around with toy code on my own. It is so much easier to keep track of what you&#8217;re doing, especially if you leave something for a while and then come back to it. It also allows you to make radical, wide-reaching changes without worrying you&#8217;re not going to be able to revert back if something goes wrong.At home and at work I use <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/">Subversion</a>, which I can strongly recommend. The <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/files/documents/15/18207/svn-1.1.1-setup-2.exe">windows installer</a> should install it with zero-effort, and the wonderful <a href="http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/">Tortoise</a> client integrates seemlessly with your explorer, so you can do everything by just pointing and clicking. I think you may need to use the command-line once to setup your repository, but that is as simple as doing a &#8220;svnadmin create Repository&#8221; in the directory you want it. It also has excellent <a href="http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/index.html">documentation</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justin:Microsoft has shown with the recent MSN Beta that they have no clue how to do search.  And can you blame Google for wanting to hurt Microsoft?  Not only are they a commercial rival, they&#039;ve done immeasurable harm to the computing industry as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>justin:Microsoft has shown with the recent <span class="caps">MSN </span>Beta that they have no clue how to do search.  And can you blame Google for wanting to hurt Microsoft?  Not only are they a commercial rival, they&#8217;ve done immeasurable harm to the computing industry as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah but google desktop achives this nifty trick by comprimising security and privacy. by the time the next version of windows comes out there will be search built in and that will kill desktop search. personally I think google desktop search is just a way for google to stick their middle finger up at microsoft... afterall they could have worked within the windows security framework and thus around many of the privacy holes, and they chose not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>yeah but google desktop achives this nifty trick by comprimising security and privacy. by the time the next version of windows comes out there will be search built in and that will kill desktop search. personally I think google desktop search is just a way for google to stick their middle finger up at microsoft&#8230; afterall they could have worked within the windows security framework and thus around many of the privacy holes, and they chose not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Mill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2004/12/14/unanticipated-google-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-54335</link>
		<dc:creator>Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Google, they &lt;strong&gt;are&lt;/strong&gt; profitable.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/corporate/facts.html&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/corporate/facts.html&lt;/a&gt;Special Google solutions for corporate clients plus a middleman cut from GoogleAds, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>According to Google, they <strong>are</strong> profitable.<a href="http://www.google.com/corporate/facts.html">http://www.google.com/corporate/facts.html</a>Special Google solutions for corporate clients plus a middleman cut from GoogleAds, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are making money already - off advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>They are making money already &#8211; off advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a big enough hard drive to support a huge cache like that, but I have taken advantage of Gmail&#039;s practically limitless capacity in order to send a version of papers in progress to myself after each days&#039; work.  Since my academic career is still in its infancy, I could easily store my complete &lt;i&gt;oeuvre&lt;/i&gt; on Google&#039;s dime.Has anyone figured out how Google&#039;s ever going to make money?  Or is the investing community just taking a massive hit for the sake of the common good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t have a big enough hard drive to support a huge cache like that, but I have taken advantage of Gmail&#8217;s practically limitless capacity in order to send a version of papers in progress to myself after each days&#8217; work.  Since my academic career is still in its infancy, I could easily store my complete <i>oeuvre</i> on Google&#8217;s dime.Has anyone figured out how Google&#8217;s ever going to make money?  Or is the investing community just taking a massive hit for the sake of the common good?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I discovered this recently too - bloody marvellous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yep, I discovered this recently too &#8211; bloody marvellous.</p>
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