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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59306</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>luc, great points.  What a winning way to frame the arguement, that in our glorious quest for Democracy we shouldn&#039;t be burning the country to the ground.  Certainly a reminder that democracies are almost as prone as other governments to treating their adversaries with less than humane treatment and that our governments actions deserve careful watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>luc, great points.  What a winning way to frame the arguement, that in our glorious quest for Democracy we shouldn&#8217;t be burning the country to the ground.  Certainly a reminder that democracies are almost as prone as other governments to treating their adversaries with less than humane treatment and that our governments actions deserve careful watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59305</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This election is a success for the Bush government.Let me predict a few other successes -- Iraq will show healthy economic growth in a few years from now. - Iraq will survive the violence and return to normalcy.- Electricity will be working again soon.The list will be long.I&#039;m just revulsed by people willing to lie, kill, torture and destroy anything that stands in their way on this glorious path to democracy.That was what opposition to war was about. Not about support for Saddam, not about opposition to democracy. It was about the means of reaching those goals.But the dead are dead, what needed to be destroyed is destroyed, and what remains is looking forward.And the way forward &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; democracy, security and prosperity in Iraq. And equally important, never to fight these fucked up wars again.Especially in the UK, in politics, on blogs and in the general discourse, these two things get mixed up. And between the fascism shouting and open letter writing people it becomes hard to distinguish right from wrong. It is strange to see those that promote violence as a means to achieve political goals call themselves the &quot;decent left&quot;. On the other hand if George Galloway is the last man standing to publicly defend an anti-war position there is something wrong on that little island.I saw a funny Labour politician in a pointless debate with Galloway on the Beeb. It was at the end of a Newsnight show about these elections. This Foulkes guy mixed his scripts on an old question:.. because they were removed, they were hidden, they were taken away ...Ah, yes those WMD&#039;s. Anyways, that&#039;s just my opinion, fwiw.Back to the serious issue of double posts, I always thought of that as a feature. Faith based posting, as it were. Press the button once, ingore al adversity, and put some trust in the fact that whatever you typed, it will end up on this website eventually.But just like any other (web) publication, you&#039;ll have to upgrade your looks and technology once in a while. But there&#039;s no need to rush. It is fine as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This election is a success for the Bush government.Let me predict a few other successes &#8211;  &#8211; Iraq will show healthy economic growth in a few years from now.  &#8211; Iraq will survive the violence and return to normalcy. &#8211; Electricity will be working again soon.The list will be long.I&#8217;m just revulsed by people willing to lie, kill, torture and destroy anything that stands in their way on this glorious path to democracy.That was what opposition to war was about. Not about support for Saddam, not about opposition to democracy. It was about the means of reaching those goals.But the dead are dead, what needed to be destroyed is destroyed, and what remains is looking forward.And the way forward <b>is</b> democracy, security and prosperity in Iraq. And equally important, never to fight these fucked up wars again.Especially in the UK, in politics, on blogs and in the general discourse, these two things get mixed up. And between the fascism shouting and open letter writing people it becomes hard to distinguish right from wrong. It is strange to see those that promote violence as a means to achieve political goals call themselves the &#8220;decent left&#8221;. On the other hand if George Galloway is the last man standing to publicly defend an anti-war position there is something wrong on that little island.I saw a funny Labour politician in a pointless debate with Galloway on the Beeb. It was at the end of a Newsnight show about these elections. This Foulkes guy mixed his scripts on an old question:.. because they were removed, they were hidden, they were taken away &#8230;Ah, yes those <span class="caps">WMD</span>&#8217;s. Anyways, that&#8217;s just my opinion, fwiw.Back to the serious issue of double posts, I always thought of that as a feature. Faith based posting, as it were. Press the button once, ingore al adversity, and put some trust in the fact that whatever you typed, it will end up on this website eventually.But just like any other (web) publication, you&#8217;ll have to upgrade your looks and technology once in a while. But there&#8217;s no need to rush. It is fine as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59304</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 04:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks jet, that&#039;s very kind. We still want to fix the problems, of course. A platform jump (to Wordpress or Textpattern) is verrry tempting, but adds even more potential for disaster to an upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks jet, that&#8217;s very kind. We still want to fix the problems, of course. A platform jump (to WordPress or Textpattern) is verrry tempting, but adds even more potential for disaster to an upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: buermann</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59303</link>
		<dc:creator>buermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 04:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The original American plan was for&quot;The plan was &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9927782.htm&quot;&gt;&quot;To Be Provided.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  You&#039;re rewriting what happened according to &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/2005/01/mixed-story-im-just-appalled-by.html&quot;&gt;ad hoc actions&lt;/a&gt; taken in the face of pressure from a high ranking cleric and a viscious insurgency.But if you want to give Bush credit for a highly undemocratic, unmonitored, anonymous election in which the largest minority boycotted and which will most likely not be a turning point for the better for much of anybody, I don&#039;t see anything incorrect about assigning him the blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The original American plan was for&#8221;The plan was <a HREF="http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9927782.htm">&#8220;To Be Provided.&#8221;</a>  You&#8217;re rewriting what happened according to <a HREF="http://www.juancole.com/2005/01/mixed-story-im-just-appalled-by.html">ad hoc actions</a> taken in the face of pressure from a high ranking cleric and a viscious insurgency.But if you want to give Bush credit for a highly undemocratic, unmonitored, anonymous election in which the largest minority boycotted and which will most likely not be a turning point for the better for much of anybody, I don&#8217;t see anything incorrect about assigning him the blame.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59302</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kieren, I think most CT readers would agree with me that putting up with such trifling issues as double posting and mastering the Art of Post are small prices to pay for getting to interact with CT.Too bad MT doesn&#039;t roll out automatic updates.  All the cool Gnu-kids are doing it these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kieren, I think most CT readers would agree with me that putting up with such trifling issues as double posting and mastering the Art of Post are small prices to pay for getting to interact with CT.Too bad MT doesn&#8217;t roll out automatic updates.  All the cool Gnu-kids are doing it these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59301</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 02:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jet -yes, we know we are behind on MT versions, and need to fix the site. We feel bad about the crappy comments processing. Alas, the people who manage the site (ie, Henry and me) also have jobs and families and whatnot. We&#039;ll do this soon. Upgrading is a pain. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Jet &#8211; yes, we know we are behind on MT versions, and need to fix the site. We feel bad about the crappy comments processing. Alas, the people who manage the site (ie, Henry and me) also have jobs and families and whatnot. We&#8217;ll do this soon. Upgrading is a pain.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59300</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well holy shit.  This site is running MT 2.661.  The world has moved on.  MT is up to 3.15.  Just upgrading to the latest would probably resolve the double post issue.  And since I can&#039;t grab 2.661, I certainly won&#039;t be wasting time spelunking libraries when there is perfectly good Nicky-B to be drank (drunk?).Someone should email the admin that his site is a full version behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well holy shit.  This site is running <span class="caps">MT 2</span>.661.  The world has moved on.  MT is up to 3.15.  Just upgrading to the latest would probably resolve the double post issue.  And since I can&#8217;t grab 2.661, I certainly won&#8217;t be wasting time spelunking libraries when there is perfectly good Nicky-B to be drank (drunk?).Someone should email the admin that his site is a full version behind.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59299</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at the JavaScript on this page and it isn&#039;t the problem.  I then downloaded MoveableType and am looking through the MT::App::Comments library to see if I can track it down there when I realized that even if I did find the bug, what admin from CT woudl take my edited code.  But just for giggles, I&#039;ll continue looking at it.  But does everyone else have the same problem I do; when I hit post, it does nothing and I have to hit post again (at which point, I might get an error, a 5 minute reload, or a phone call from Satan, and hitting a third time results in a double post)?  The two hit on the submit button could be an important clue, so I&#039;d appreciate any feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I looked at the JavaScript on this page and it isn&#8217;t the problem.  I then downloaded MoveableType and am looking through the MT::App::Comments library to see if I can track it down there when I realized that even if I did find the bug, what admin from CT woudl take my edited code.  But just for giggles, I&#8217;ll continue looking at it.  But does everyone else have the same problem I do; when I hit post, it does nothing and I have to hit post again (at which point, I might get an error, a 5 minute reload, or a phone call from Satan, and hitting a third time results in a double post)?  The two hit on the submit button could be an important clue, so I&#8217;d appreciate any feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59298</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Uncle Kvetch, That is funny enough that you had to have done it on purpose.&lt;/i&gt;Nope...swear to the deity, I really didn&#039;t do that on purpose.I&#039;m going to try Kevin&#039;s solution now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Uncle Kvetch, That is funny enough that you had to have done it on purpose.</i>Nope&#8230;swear to the deity, I really didn&#8217;t do that on purpose.I&#8217;m going to try Kevin&#8217;s solution now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Deadman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59297</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Deadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote : Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terrorby Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times (9/4/1967: p. 2)WASHINGTON, Sept. 3-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam&#039;s presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.The size of the popular vote and the inability of the Vietcong to destroy the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390</a>U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote : Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terrorby Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times (9/4/1967: p. 2)<span class="caps">WASHINGTON</span>, Sept. 3&#8212;United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam&#8217;s presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.The size of the popular vote and the inability of the Vietcong to destroy the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Barlow</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59296</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t know of any other blog that’s so cantankerous. Is it really just a question of a slow server?&quot;In all honesty, I don&#039;t know. It&#039;s a fair point, though; I&#039;ll send an email and see if there&#039;s anything we can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know of any other blog that&#8217;s so cantankerous. Is it really just a question of a slow server?&#8221;In all honesty, I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s a fair point, though; I&#8217;ll send an email and see if there&#8217;s anything we can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59295</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle KvetchI usually look at my post in Preview and hit Post from there. I have never had a double.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uncle KvetchI usually look at my post in Preview and hit Post from there. I have never had a double.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59294</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon said: &quot;New proposals for the Bush “Ownership Society” will free individuals to control their financial destiny.&quot;You&#039;re just mad that Bush is a bigger socialist than you are.  When Bush says that the people will own the factories, he really means it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jon said: &#8220;New proposals for the Bush &#8220;Ownership Society&#8221; will free individuals to control their financial destiny.&#8221;You&#8217;re just mad that Bush is a bigger socialist than you are.  When Bush says that the people will own the factories, he really means it.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59293</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Kvetch, That is funny enough that you had to have done it on purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uncle Kvetch, That is funny enough that you had to have done it on purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/31/odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-59292</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you&#039;re wondering...yeah, it just did it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In case you&#8217;re wondering&#8230;yeah, it just did it again.</p>
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