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		<title>By: kasei</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/03/03/etiquette-tips-please/comment-page-1/#comment-62711</link>
		<dc:creator>kasei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is Cohen’s tiresome repetition of old-fogey cliches a required part of the process of becoming an ex-lefty?&quot;

Yeah, next he&#039;ll do something really dumb like advocate invading another country for no discernable reason...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Is Cohen&#8217;s tiresome repetition of old-fogey cliches a required part of the process of becoming an ex-lefty?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Yeah, next he&#8217;ll do something really dumb like advocate invading another country for no discernable reason&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about tea?  Is that restricted?  Or cola?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What about tea?  Is that restricted?  Or cola?</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/03/03/etiquette-tips-please/comment-page-1/#comment-62713</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:  A typo, surely.  Coffee isn&#039;t a drug, caffeine is, and is contained in tea and cola.  Of course, tobacco isn&#039;t a drug, either.  Or was that your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Paul:  A typo, surely.  Coffee isn&#8217;t a drug, caffeine is, and is contained in tea and cola.  Of course, tobacco isn&#8217;t a drug, either.  Or was that your point?</p>
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		<title>By: floopmeister</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/03/03/etiquette-tips-please/comment-page-1/#comment-62714</link>
		<dc:creator>floopmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you use forks in Brisbane now? Last time I travelled up from sunny and warm Melbourne (!) we had to bring our own.

Oh, how times change...

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So you use forks in Brisbane now? Last time I travelled up from sunny and warm Melbourne (!) we had to bring our own.</p>

	<p>Oh, how times change&#8230;</p>

	<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/03/03/etiquette-tips-please/comment-page-1/#comment-62715</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of prejudice we&#039;re struggling against. We&#039;ve had forks at least since since Expo 88, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware floopmeister. But how are you supposed to use two at once?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is the kind of prejudice we&#8217;re struggling against. We&#8217;ve had forks at least since since Expo 88, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware floopmeister. But how are you supposed to use two at once?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coffee for caffeine strikes me as a perfectly reasonable case of metonymy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Coffee for caffeine strikes me as a perfectly reasonable case of metonymy.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Private Eye, back in the seventies, had a parody of a fashionable contemporary dinner party written in the style of James Boswell, which included the deathless line: &quot;I believe the pot is with you, sir. Be so good as to circulate it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Private Eye, back in the seventies, had a parody of a fashionable contemporary dinner party written in the style of James Boswell, which included the deathless line: &#8220;I believe the pot is with you, sir. Be so good as to circulate it.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the socially acceptable way of serving coke is to hire a dwarf to carry a tray of the stuff on their head. Or so &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizarremag.com/ask_bizarre.php?id=342&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freddie Mercury&lt;/a&gt; once told me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I believe the socially acceptable way of serving coke is to hire a dwarf to carry a tray of the stuff on their head. Or so <a href="http://www.bizarremag.com/ask_bizarre.php?id=342" rel="nofollow">Freddie Mercury</a> once told me.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A piece of 2mg mint-flavored Nicorette for me, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A piece of 2mg mint-flavored Nicorette for me, please.</p>
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		<title>By: victor falk</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor falk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chocolate.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chocolate&lt;/a&gt; a &lt;a href=&quot;http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/10_12_96/food.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drug&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.chocolate.org/" rel="nofollow">Chocolate</a> a <a href="http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm" rel="nofollow">is</a> <a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/10_12_96/food.htm" rel="nofollow">drug</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: victor falk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/03/03/etiquette-tips-please/comment-page-1/#comment-62721</link>
		<dc:creator>victor falk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chocolate.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chocolate&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is&lt;/a&gt;  a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/10_12_96/food.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drug&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.chocolate.org/" rel="nofollow">Chocolate</a> <a href="http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm" rel="nofollow">is</a>  a <a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/10_12_96/food.htm" rel="nofollow">drug</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Squid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe current etiquette in London is as follows. I&#039;ll check in my copy of Forbes when my man&#039;s man comes back from making breakfast.

The host is expected to provide one silver backed mirror per eight guests. More is acceptable, but no more than one mirror per four guests.

The host should also provide a selection of &#039;house&#039; snorters. Traditionally plain silver, though &#039;novelty&#039; shapes (such as vacumn cleaners) are acceptable for less formal gatherings or those involving mostly young people. Snorters may optionally be stamped with the gentleman&#039;s coat or blazon.

Guests will normally bring their own. &#039;House&#039; snorters are provided for unexpected guests. A guest should try and bring a suitable snorter - best to stick with standard designs and simple motifs unless you know the other guests well, in which case a certain amount of freedom of expression can be permitted. They should also carry some marking (coat or crest or blazon) so guests can easily distinguish their own snorters as the evening progresses.

It is considered bad form for a guest to bring their own mirror.

The host should make available their own supply as a matter of course. Guests should also bring with them enough for themselves and a little extra.

When taking a line, it is bad form to &#039;hoover&#039;. That is, to try and clean up the line completely. It is good form to take the line in one, clean sweep, leaving detrius and &#039;leavings&#039; around the side of the line. Over and evening this detrius is left to build up around the sides of the mirrors. These are normally left for the butler to disburse amongst the staff by way of a tip after the evening has concluded.

For any more information, I would point the interested reader towards Forbes, the chapter on after dinner entertainment. Also I think there was an article in &#039;Gentleman&#039;s Gentlemen&#039;, November last year. I think my man still has a copy somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I believe current etiquette in London is as follows. I&#8217;ll check in my copy of Forbes when my man&#8217;s man comes back from making breakfast.</p>

	<p>The host is expected to provide one silver backed mirror per eight guests. More is acceptable, but no more than one mirror per four guests.</p>

	<p>The host should also provide a selection of &#8216;house&#8217; snorters. Traditionally plain silver, though &#8216;novelty&#8217; shapes (such as vacumn cleaners) are acceptable for less formal gatherings or those involving mostly young people. Snorters may optionally be stamped with the gentleman&#8217;s coat or blazon.</p>

	<p>Guests will normally bring their own. &#8216;House&#8217; snorters are provided for unexpected guests. A guest should try and bring a suitable snorter &#8211; best to stick with standard designs and simple motifs unless you know the other guests well, in which case a certain amount of freedom of expression can be permitted. They should also carry some marking (coat or crest or blazon) so guests can easily distinguish their own snorters as the evening progresses.</p>

	<p>It is considered bad form for a guest to bring their own mirror.</p>

	<p>The host should make available their own supply as a matter of course. Guests should also bring with them enough for themselves and a little extra.</p>

	<p>When taking a line, it is bad form to &#8216;hoover&#8217;. That is, to try and clean up the line completely. It is good form to take the line in one, clean sweep, leaving detrius and &#8216;leavings&#8217; around the side of the line. Over and evening this detrius is left to build up around the sides of the mirrors. These are normally left for the butler to disburse amongst the staff by way of a tip after the evening has concluded.</p>

	<p>For any more information, I would point the interested reader towards Forbes, the chapter on after dinner entertainment. Also I think there was an article in &#8216;Gentleman&#8217;s Gentlemen&#8217;, November last year. I think my man still has a copy somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If only there was somebody out there ready to step in an protect my squishily vulnerable little mind by regulating cable TV. Maybe the nice folks who wanna protect me from cigarette smoke whenever I go into bars can help me out here!&quot;
(Fafnir on Fafblog, yesterday).

Looks like Fafnirs goin all fogeyish an &quot;ex-leftist&quot; too!

As for &#039;the war against cliche,&#039; I would just like to applaud Mr Quiggin&#039;s bluff, quasi-ironic, stereotype-busting disclaimer of any expertise in etiquette, on the grounds that he is an Australian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;If only there was somebody out there ready to step in an protect my squishily vulnerable little mind by regulating cable TV. Maybe the nice folks who wanna protect me from cigarette smoke whenever I go into bars can help me out here!&#8221;<br />
(Fafnir on Fafblog, yesterday).</p>

	<p>Looks like Fafnirs goin all fogeyish an &#8220;ex-leftist&#8221; too!</p>

	<p>As for &#8216;the war against cliche,&#8217; I would just like to applaud Mr Quiggin&#8217;s bluff, quasi-ironic, stereotype-busting disclaimer of any expertise in etiquette, on the grounds that he is an Australian.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AC: So you don&#039;t consider marijuana a drug, preferring to say that people are buying/selling/using THC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>AC: So you don&#8217;t consider marijuana a drug, preferring to say that people are buying/selling/using <span class="caps">THC</span>?</p>
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		<title>By: mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ekow Eshun - who I don&#039;t generally rate - nevertheless had a better (and far earlier) response to Ian Blair&#039;s remarks in the Observer on 6 Feb:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1406928,00.html

On smoking, I agree - there may be slightly more justification for this kind of delusion in the US (I think I remember once seeing signage telling me not to smoke in the open air), but very little in the UK (including the recent proposals). Surely though the true test of the old fogey is when you start going on about the &#039;war on the motorist&#039; (on which see for example this priceless example - though at least this guy doesn&#039;t pretend to be anything other than reactionary: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470528,00.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ekow Eshun &#8211; who I don&#8217;t generally rate &#8211; nevertheless had a better (and far earlier) response to Ian Blair&#8217;s remarks in the Observer on 6 Feb:</p>

	<p><a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1406928,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1406928,00.html</a></p>

	<p>On smoking, I agree &#8211; there may be slightly more justification for this kind of delusion in the <span class="caps">US </span>(I think I remember once seeing signage telling me not to smoke in the open air), but very little in the <span class="caps">UK </span>(including the recent proposals). Surely though the true test of the old fogey is when you start going on about the &#8216;war on the motorist&#8217; (on which see for example this priceless example &#8211; though at least this guy doesn&#8217;t pretend to be anything other than reactionary: <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470528,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470528,00.html</a>)</p>
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