Comments on: Double Philosophy Bleg http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:50:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Vitro Nasu » Blog Archive » Poking around Wittgenstein + Bruce Nauman http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-125715 Vitro Nasu » Blog Archive » Poking around Wittgenstein + Bruce Nauman Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:43:14 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-125715 [...] Here is a discussion on Wittgenstein’s influence on art. (Part of two questions posed by a blogger. Must be patient to sort this out. [...] [...] Here is a discussion on Wittgenstein’s influence on art. (Part of two questions posed by a blogger. Must be patient to sort this out. [...]

]]> By: jholbo http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66716 jholbo Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:08:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66716 Thanks again everyone. This has really been very helpful. Thanks again everyone. This has really been very helpful.

]]> By: Simstim http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66420 Simstim Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:23:07 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66420 David Owen's Maturity and Modernity: Nietzsche, Weber, Foucault and the Ambivalence of Reason, is fairly heavy going. Wilhelm Hennis' stuff I recall is quite heavy on the Nietzsche in Weber angle (as is Keith Tribe's). David Owen’s Maturity and Modernity: Nietzsche, Weber, Foucault and the Ambivalence of Reason, is fairly heavy going. Wilhelm Hennis’ stuff I recall is quite heavy on the Nietzsche in Weber angle (as is Keith Tribe’s).

]]> By: Ethical Werewolf http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66301 Ethical Werewolf Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:51:40 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66301 Derek Jarman made a <a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0108583/" rel="nofollow">Wittgenstein</a> movie a while back. It's a bit odd, with its minimalist set design and lack of coherent narrative structure. I found it amusing enough to be watchable. Derek Jarman made a Wittgenstein movie a while back. It’s a bit odd, with its minimalist set design and lack of coherent narrative structure. I found it amusing enough to be watchable.

]]> By: ashley doherty http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66298 ashley doherty Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:38:44 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66298 There's a play called "The Fly-Bottle," by David Egan, that deals with the poker-wielding incident. I saw it performed at Shakespeare & Co. in Lennox, MA, a year or two ago. (In addition to Wittgenstein, Popper & Russell also make appearances.) There’s a play called “The Fly-Bottle,” by David Egan, that deals with the poker-wielding incident. I saw it performed at Shakespeare & Co. in Lennox, MA, a year or two ago. (In addition to Wittgenstein, Popper & Russell also make appearances.)

]]> By: Scott Spiegelberg http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66296 Scott Spiegelberg Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:26:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66296 A whole four bars of music composed by Ludwig was <a href='http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=462828&host=5&dir=227' rel="nofollow">premiered</a> two years ago. Steve Reich also composed You Are (Variations) which includes a setting of "Explanations come to an end somewhere." And Michael Torke composed "Bright Blue Music" inspired by Wittgenstein: “I conceived of a parallel in musical terms: harmonies in themselves do not contain any meaning, rather, musical meaning results only in the way harmonies are used.” There is a good article about the links between Wittgenstein and music in <a href='http://www.lafolia.com/archive/covell/covell200411wittgenstein.html' rel="nofollow">La Folia</a>. A whole four bars of music composed by Ludwig was premiered two years ago.

Steve Reich also composed You Are (Variations) which includes a setting of “Explanations come to an end somewhere.”

And Michael Torke composed “Bright Blue Music” inspired by Wittgenstein: “I conceived of a parallel in musical terms: harmonies in themselves do not contain any meaning, rather, musical meaning results only in the way harmonies are used.”

There is a good article about the links between Wittgenstein and music in La Folia.

]]> By: Chris Martin http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66273 Chris Martin Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:25:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66273 There was a short story in Granta a year or two ago -- possibly in the Music issue -- written from the perspective of Paul Wittgenstein, Ludwig's brother. Ludwig was one of the characters in the story, if I remember correctly. It's possible that some of the pieces that Paul commissioned were influenced by Ludwig. And there are these books: Shamrock Tea by Ciaran Carson Wittgenstein's Poker by ? Correction by Thomas Bernhard There was a short story in Granta a year or two ago—possibly in the Music issue—written from the perspective of Paul Wittgenstein, Ludwig’s brother. Ludwig was one of the characters in the story, if I remember correctly.

It’s possible that some of the pieces that Paul commissioned were influenced by Ludwig.

And there are these books:
Shamrock Tea by Ciaran Carson
Wittgenstein’s Poker by ?
Correction by Thomas Bernhard

]]> By: Adrian http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66255 Adrian Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:08:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66255 The recent retrospective of Eduardo Paolozzi at the Scottish National Gallery of Modern Art had a whole series of paintings inspired by (and quoting text from) the Philosophical Investigations and the Tractatus. The recent retrospective of Eduardo Paolozzi at the Scottish National Gallery of Modern Art had a whole series of paintings inspired by (and quoting text from) the Philosophical Investigations and the Tractatus.

]]> By: Rakesh http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66228 Rakesh Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:52:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66228 Nietzche had a profound influence on several students of modernity--but I believe his strongest influence was on Weber's writings on religion. When Weber writes about how rationality replaces enchantment I believe he is making a reference to Nietzche's The Gay Science. Recall the scene when the madman who runs into the marketplace looking for God and is met with scorn and laughter. "Where is God" he screeches. "Well, I will tell you. We have killed him--you and I." The marketplace is a metaphor for Western rationality. The marketplace and its accompanying cultural orientation--prices, rationalty, materialism--are the highpoint of secularism. Western man, pursing rational truth, discarded its original ordering schemes--egalitarianism, justice, heaven, God, good works--and given meaning and purpose to their lives for nihilism. Nietzche had a profound influence on several students of modernity—but I believe his strongest influence was on Weber’s writings on religion.

When Weber writes about how rationality replaces enchantment I believe he is making a reference to Nietzche’s The Gay Science. Recall the scene when the madman who runs into the marketplace looking for God and is met with scorn and laughter. “Where is God” he screeches. “Well, I will tell you. We have killed him—you and I.” The marketplace is a metaphor for Western rationality. The marketplace and its accompanying cultural orientation—prices, rationalty, materialism—are the highpoint of secularism. Western man, pursing rational truth, discarded its original ordering schemes—egalitarianism, justice, heaven, God, good works—and given meaning and purpose to their lives for nihilism.

]]> By: John Quiggin http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66218 John Quiggin Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:13:13 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66218 If you must write it, use the correct spelling: "Bleagh" If you must write it, use the correct spelling: “Bleagh”

]]> By: jholbo http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66207 jholbo Mon, 04 Apr 2005 07:08:47 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66207 Oh, um, I was being ironic about Kieran missing the irony. There. All sorted out. (God we are clever and smarter than everyone else, we CT folk.) Oh, um, I was being ironic about Kieran missing the irony. There. All sorted out. (God we are clever and smarter than everyone else, we CT folk.)

]]> By: russkie http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66204 russkie Mon, 04 Apr 2005 06:25:04 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66204 > Teen 1: The concert was awesome. I think it was Homer's taking the cannonball in the stomach at Lollapalooza that the teen was talking about .. > Teen 1: The concert was awesome.

I think it was Homer’s taking the cannonball in the stomach at Lollapalooza that the teen was talking about ..

]]> By: william http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66200 william Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:16:08 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66200 You'll probably find this when you look up the other recommended Warren stuff, but: Mark Warren's "Nietzsche and Political Philosophy," Political Theory, Vol. 13, No. 2. (May, 1985), pp. 183-212. You’ll probably find this when you look up the other recommended Warren stuff, but:

Mark Warren’s “Nietzsche and Political Philosophy,” Political Theory, Vol. 13, No. 2. (May, 1985), pp. 183-212.

]]> By: Kieran Healy http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66191 Kieran Healy Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:18:49 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66191 Um, well, er me too, obviously. Isn't there an episode of the Simpsons? Teen 1: The concert was awesome. Teen 2: Huh... wait, are you being ironic, or honest, or ironically honest, or what? Teen 1: I don't even know any more. Um, well, er me too, obviously.

Isn’t there an episode of the Simpsons?

Teen 1: The concert was awesome.
Teen 2: Huh… wait, are you being ironic, or honest, or ironically honest, or what?
Teen 1: I don’t even know any more.

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-66187 John Holbo Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:45:27 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/03/double-philosophy-bleg/#comment-66187 Thanks everyone. Kieran, you failed to notice that I was using 'bleg' is a cool, ironic way. Thanks everyone. Kieran, you failed to notice that I was using ‘bleg’ is a cool, ironic way.

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