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	<title>Comments on: The Frontier is not Out There</title>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brakels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67491</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Brakels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if we are to colonize space, the first thing we should do is improve the health and education of the the poorest people on earth.  We&#039;ll need to come up with some really clever ideas to pull off space colonization, and seven billion heads are better than one.  I think we&#039;ll also have to learn to get on better as a species if it&#039;s going to work.  I mean how many world leaders today would you trust with a fleet of nuclear powered spacecraft?  So if we want to prevent our species being wiped out by a metorite, first we&#039;ll have to practice not wiping ourselves out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think if we are to colonize space, the first thing we should do is improve the health and education of the the poorest people on earth.  We&#8217;ll need to come up with some really clever ideas to pull off space colonization, and seven billion heads are better than one.  I think we&#8217;ll also have to learn to get on better as a species if it&#8217;s going to work.  I mean how many world leaders today would you trust with a fleet of nuclear powered spacecraft?  So if we want to prevent our species being wiped out by a metorite, first we&#8217;ll have to practice not wiping ourselves out.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith M Ellis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67369</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith M Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot even begin to understand how this argument can exist in the context which includes the US military budget and the US consumer&#039;s incredibly wasteful consumption of energy (or perhaps that should simply read &quot;wasteful consumption&quot;).  Space exploration may be a convenient target for outrage at Whitey&#039;s self-indulgence, but it&#039;s a target that is almost completely trivial.  So much so that it trivializes the outrage into something perverse such as bumper stickers against oil extraction or rock concerts to feed the hungry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I cannot even begin to understand how this argument can exist in the context which includes the US military budget and the US consumer&#8217;s incredibly wasteful consumption of energy (or perhaps that should simply read &#8220;wasteful consumption&#8221;).  Space exploration may be a convenient target for outrage at Whitey&#8217;s self-indulgence, but it&#8217;s a target that is almost completely trivial.  So much so that it trivializes the outrage into something perverse such as bumper stickers against oil extraction or rock concerts to feed the hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67364</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jlw,
Don&#039;t be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.virgingalactic.com/en/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;silly&lt;/a&gt;.  People do want to go to space, and they&#039;re willing to pay for it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>jlw,<br />
Don&#8217;t be <a href="http://www.virgingalactic.com/en/" rel="nofollow">silly</a>.  People do want to go to space, and they&#8217;re willing to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: jlw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67298</link>
		<dc:creator>jlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig sez: &quot;If there were no NASA, SpaceshipOne would still exist.&quot;

But that&#039;s not quite right. If there were a market demand for the kind of service SpaceShipOne could provide, then it would still exist. But there ain&#039;t. The X-Prize was a stunt.

The economics of space flight are such that the only way you can make a profit is if you don&#039;t have to send a product back to Earth. Satellites are great in this respect, as their product is massless radio waves. Also, since commercial satellites don&#039;t have to be brought back intact, the launch systems and overall design can be much, much simpler than what is needed for manned flight.

Sending people to Mars is just another stunt--something we might be able to do, but which wouldn&#039;t lead to much of anything. Proposing it reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of what we can do in space or, more accurately, what it makes sense to do in space. (Just because we can do something dowsn&#039;t mean it makes sense to do it.) 

We&#039;d be better off sending out a fleet of robotic explorers to study the composition of various asteroids as well as prospect for minerals on the moon&#039;s surface. I wanna know whether space can support us before we start planning on settling the damn place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Craig sez: &#8220;If there were no <span class="caps">NASA</span>, SpaceshipOne would still exist.&#8221;</p>

	<p>But that&#8217;s not quite right. If there were a market demand for the kind of service SpaceShipOne could provide, then it would still exist. But there ain&#8217;t. The X-Prize was a stunt.</p>

	<p>The economics of space flight are such that the only way you can make a profit is if you don&#8217;t have to send a product back to Earth. Satellites are great in this respect, as their product is massless radio waves. Also, since commercial satellites don&#8217;t have to be brought back intact, the launch systems and overall design can be much, much simpler than what is needed for manned flight.</p>

	<p>Sending people to Mars is just another stunt&#8212;something we might be able to do, but which wouldn&#8217;t lead to much of anything. Proposing it reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of what we can do in space or, more accurately, what it makes sense to do in space. (Just because we can do something dowsn&#8217;t mean it makes sense to do it.)</p>

	<p>We&#8217;d be better off sending out a fleet of robotic explorers to study the composition of various asteroids as well as prospect for minerals on the moon&#8217;s surface. I wanna know whether space can support us before we start planning on settling the damn place.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Dent</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67250</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Dent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I see some people saying &#039;If/When the $10,000 per kilogram problem is solved&#039;... which is like saying &#039;If the AIDS cure problem is solved&#039;. Wishing yourself a magic bullet is not a valid premise for further argument.

Anyone who&#039;s read Feynman&#039;s second volume of autobiography knows how dangerously bureaucratic NASA became after the Apollo era. The fact that money is still being spent on the &#039;Space Station&#039; and that the head of NASA can talk about going to the moon again with a straight face, shows that it still is.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I see some people saying &#8216;If/When the $10,000 per kilogram problem is solved&#8217;&#8230; which is like saying &#8216;If the <span class="caps">AIDS</span> cure problem is solved&#8217;. Wishing yourself a magic bullet is not a valid premise for further argument.</p>

	<p>Anyone who&#8217;s read Feynman&#8217;s second volume of autobiography knows how dangerously bureaucratic <span class="caps">NASA</span> became after the Apollo era. The fact that money is still being spent on the &#8216;Space Station&#8217; and that the head of <span class="caps">NASA</span> can talk about going to the moon again with a straight face, shows that it still is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Brakels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67247</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Brakels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  We can&#039;t do it at the moment.  We can&#039;t build a self sufficent space colony with todays technology and budgets.  Sure we could put a base on the moon or mars now, and then after Doctor Doom blows up the earth the colonists  can struggle like the cosmonaughts on Mir to keep their lifesupport going for as long as they  can.  Or more likely they will decide to commit suicide.  Better we all die at once.  (Well, those of us who aren&#039;t Dr Doom&#039;s minions anyway.)

2.  Yes humans are more flexible than robots, but our fingers aren&#039;t, especially when wearing space suit gloves.  It&#039;s pretty stupid to send humans into space to give instructions to robots now that we have mastered the technology of sending and receiving radio waves.  Leave the brains on the ground, send the robotic fingers up there.  

3.  If I lose my keys and then go fishing.  It is possible that I will catch a fish, slice it open and find my  keys.  However, I would probably do better if I  looked under the cushions on the sofa.  In much the same way, if your goal is to save lives, it is probably better to put money into stopping AIDS and malaria than it is to shoot people into space. 

4.  Don&#039;t give up hope!  Yes humans will colonize space, but we need safer and more affordable technology in order to do it.  In only twenty years time we might have the technology to build a space elevator, Japanese companies will invent robots that can build mars bases for us, Indian researchers will develop biotech that will enable self sustaining life support, a Turkish man living in Malta will work out how to heal a spinal cord after it&#039;s been riddled with radiation.  But to try to do it now is like buiding wings out of wax.  They&#039;re just going to melt.  It may be glorious, but it will be murder.      

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>1.  We can&#8217;t do it at the moment.  We can&#8217;t build a self sufficent space colony with todays technology and budgets.  Sure we could put a base on the moon or mars now, and then after Doctor Doom blows up the earth the colonists  can struggle like the cosmonaughts on Mir to keep their lifesupport going for as long as they  can.  Or more likely they will decide to commit suicide.  Better we all die at once.  (Well, those of us who aren&#8217;t Dr Doom&#8217;s minions anyway.)</p>

	<p>2.  Yes humans are more flexible than robots, but our fingers aren&#8217;t, especially when wearing space suit gloves.  It&#8217;s pretty stupid to send humans into space to give instructions to robots now that we have mastered the technology of sending and receiving radio waves.  Leave the brains on the ground, send the robotic fingers up there.</p>

	<p>3.  If I lose my keys and then go fishing.  It is possible that I will catch a fish, slice it open and find my  keys.  However, I would probably do better if I  looked under the cushions on the sofa.  In much the same way, if your goal is to save lives, it is probably better to put money into stopping <span class="caps">AIDS</span> and malaria than it is to shoot people into space.</p>

	<p>4.  Don&#8217;t give up hope!  Yes humans will colonize space, but we need safer and more affordable technology in order to do it.  In only twenty years time we might have the technology to build a space elevator, Japanese companies will invent robots that can build mars bases for us, Indian researchers will develop biotech that will enable self sustaining life support, a Turkish man living in Malta will work out how to heal a spinal cord after it&#8217;s been riddled with radiation.  But to try to do it now is like buiding wings out of wax.  They&#8217;re just going to melt.  It may be glorious, but it will be murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Pohl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA is a disgusting pile of pork that put a man on the moon, landers on Mars, probes to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and out to the edge of the solar system.  Ultra-efficient free enterprise has managed a single person in space for a couple of minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">NASA</span> is a disgusting pile of pork that put a man on the moon, landers on Mars, probes to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and out to the edge of the solar system.  Ultra-efficient free enterprise has managed a single person in space for a couple of minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Freed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Freed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rat done bit my sister Nell with Whitey on the moon.

 Her face and arms began to swell and Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

I can&#039;t pay no doctor bills but Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

 Ten years from now I&#039;ll be payin&#039; still while Whitey&#039;s on the moon. 

  

The man just upped my rent last night cuz Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

 No hot water, no toilets, no lights but Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

 I wonder why he&#039;s uppin me. Cuz Whitey&#039;s on the moon?

 I was already givin&#039; him fifty a week but now Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

  

Taxes takin&#039; my whole damn check,

 The junkies makin&#039; me a nervous wreck,

 The price of food is goin&#039; up,

 And as if all that shit wasn&#039;t enough:

  

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Whitey on the moon.

 Her face and arms began to swell but Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

 Was all that money I made last year for Whitey on the moon?

 How come there ain&#039;t no money here? Hmm! Whitey&#039;s on the moon.

  

Ya know, I just about had my fill of Whitey on the moon.

 I think I&#039;ll send these doctor bills

 airmail special....

 to Whitey on the moon.



- Gil-Scott Heron
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A rat done bit my sister Nell with Whitey on the moon.</p>

	<p>Her face and arms began to swell and Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t pay no doctor bills but Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>Ten years from now I&#8217;ll be payin&#8217; still while Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>&#160;</p>

	<p>The man just upped my rent last night cuz Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>No hot water, no toilets, no lights but Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>I wonder why he&#8217;s uppin me. Cuz Whitey&#8217;s on the moon?</p>

	<p>I was already givin&#8217; him fifty a week but now Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>&#160;</p>

	<p>Taxes takin&#8217; my whole damn check,</p>

	<p>The junkies makin&#8217; me a nervous wreck,</p>

	<p>The price of food is goin&#8217; up,</p>

	<p>And as if all that shit wasn&#8217;t enough:</p>

	<p>&#160;</p>

	<p>A rat done bit my sister Nell with Whitey on the moon.</p>

	<p>Her face and arms began to swell but Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>Was all that money I made last year for Whitey on the moon?</p>

	<p>How come there ain&#8217;t no money here? Hmm! Whitey&#8217;s on the moon.</p>

	<p>&#160;</p>

	<p>Ya know, I just about had my fill of Whitey on the moon.</p>

	<p>I think I&#8217;ll send these doctor bills</p>

	<p>airmail special&#8230;.</p>

	<p>to Whitey on the moon.</p>


 &#8211; Gil-Scott Heron<br />
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		<title>By: Juke Moran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67202</link>
		<dc:creator>Juke Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crackead doesn&#039;t pay rent because all money&#039;s going to drug-of-choice, wife leaves taking kids; c.h. doesn&#039;t feed budgies, budgies die, dog, cat, start to take meals at neighbors&#039;, move in; car doesn&#039;t get maintained, starts spewing nasty partially-combusted-fuel-exhaust; c.h. loses place in economy (job)due to erratic, volatile behavior; landlord brings sheriff three months after third and final eviction notice; c.h. lives in car until money runs out, starts various hustles to maintain diminishing lifestyle. Meanwhile, up the food chain four or five steps, major dealer has private health care on retainer, private security in gated community, kids in private schools.
What do we call what they make together, plus the intermediates in the chain?
Whatever that is it wants to get off the planet, because its way of living has made its prospects of continued existence &lt;i&gt;in present modality&lt;/i&gt; untenable.
Time to move, because we certainly can&#039;t change, and those primitive aboriginals and agrarian idealists have nothing to offer superior creatures like us. 
Ted Bundy on Mars. Oh yeah.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Crackead doesn&#8217;t pay rent because all money&#8217;s going to drug-of-choice, wife leaves taking kids; c.h. doesn&#8217;t feed budgies, budgies die, dog, cat, start to take meals at neighbors&#8217;, move in; car doesn&#8217;t get maintained, starts spewing nasty partially-combusted-fuel-exhaust; c.h. loses place in economy (job)due to erratic, volatile behavior; landlord brings sheriff three months after third and final eviction notice; c.h. lives in car until money runs out, starts various hustles to maintain diminishing lifestyle. Meanwhile, up the food chain four or five steps, major dealer has private health care on retainer, private security in gated community, kids in private schools.<br />
What do we call what they make together, plus the intermediates in the chain?<br />
Whatever that is it wants to get off the planet, because its way of living has made its prospects of continued existence <i>in present modality</i> untenable.<br />
Time to move, because we certainly can&#8217;t change, and those primitive aboriginals and agrarian idealists have nothing to offer superior creatures like us.<br />
Ted Bundy on Mars. Oh yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Lecou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Lecou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay:
Since I don’t think anybody &lt;i&gt;who needs to be taken seriously&lt;/i&gt; is opposed to striking out into space &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Okay:<br />
Since I don&#8217;t think anybody <i>who needs to be taken seriously</i> is opposed to striking out into space <i>per se</i>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wrye</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/11/the-frontier-is-not-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-67167</link>
		<dc:creator>Wrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you look at the possibility that NASA may be forced to scrap the Voyager program in order to pay for [in Dave Chappelle&#039;s immortal phrase]
Mars, bitches!  I think it&#039;s apparent what some of the problems with the current approach is. A short term bread and circus effect which will cripple the long-term science. 

And it&#039;s the long term which is important;  For sake of argument, forget living on Mars, maybe for a century or two, say (the timescales we&#039;re dealing with here are in the millenia at least), but right now there are useful, non-glamourous programs like tracking near-earth asteroids which demand a space focus and could save billions of lives. 

As for the commonly held belief that if NASA were scrapped tomorrow all the money would be used to eradicate poverty...well, I applaud some people&#039;s faith in humanity. But I would suggest that there are many far more egregious examples of waste right here on earth that do absolutely zero to advance the Human condition.   I am sure you could build a Mars probe or two for the cost of the USS Jimmy Carter, for instance...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When you look at the possibility that <span class="caps">NASA</span> may be forced to scrap the Voyager program in order to pay for [in Dave Chappelle&#8217;s immortal phrase]<br />
Mars, bitches!  I think it&#8217;s apparent what some of the problems with the current approach is. A short term bread and circus effect which will cripple the long-term science.</p>

	<p>And it&#8217;s the long term which is important;  For sake of argument, forget living on Mars, maybe for a century or two, say (the timescales we&#8217;re dealing with here are in the millenia at least), but right now there are useful, non-glamourous programs like tracking near-earth asteroids which demand a space focus and could save billions of lives.</p>

	<p>As for the commonly held belief that if <span class="caps">NASA</span> were scrapped tomorrow all the money would be used to eradicate poverty&#8230;well, I applaud some people&#8217;s faith in humanity. But I would suggest that there are many far more egregious examples of waste right here on earth that do absolutely zero to advance the Human condition.   I am sure you could build a Mars probe or two for the cost of the <span class="caps">USS </span>Jimmy Carter, for instance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What jet said.  The most common objections to space exploration fade away if we aren&#039;t using your dollars to do it, or taking money away from more obviously worthwhile government programs.

And as andrew c and Heppenheimer said, NASA isn&#039;t all that good at it.

If there were no NASA, &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SpaceshipOne &lt;/a&gt;would still exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What jet said.  The most common objections to space exploration fade away if we aren&#8217;t using your dollars to do it, or taking money away from more obviously worthwhile government programs.</p>

	<p>And as andrew c and Heppenheimer said, <span class="caps">NASA</span> isn&#8217;t all that good at it.</p>

	<p>If there were no <span class="caps">NASA</span>, <a href='http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/' rel="nofollow">SpaceshipOne </a>would still exist.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jack lecou wrote: &quot;Since I don’t think anybody is opposed to striking out into space per se,...&quot;

They are.  Decades ago, I read an essay by &lt;a href=&#039;http://brtom.org/wb/berry.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wendell Berry&lt;/a&gt; to the effect that space exploration/colonization/industrialization is bad per se. It went like this:

1) humans are destructive and wasteful.
2) the more wealthy they are the more wasteful and destructive they become.
3) space industry would make them infinitly wealthy.
4) therefore whey would become infinitly wasteful and destructive.
5) 4 is bad.
6) therefore we shouldn&#039;t attempt to move into space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>jack lecou wrote: &#8220;Since I don&#8217;t think anybody is opposed to striking out into space per se,&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>They are.  Decades ago, I read an essay by <a href='http://brtom.org/wb/berry.html' rel="nofollow">Wendell Berry</a> to the effect that space exploration/colonization/industrialization is bad per se. It went like this:</p>

	<p>1) humans are destructive and wasteful.<br />
2) the more wealthy they are the more wasteful and destructive they become.<br />
3) space industry would make them infinitly wealthy.<br />
4) therefore whey would become infinitly wasteful and destructive.<br />
5) 4 is bad.<br />
6) therefore we shouldn&#8217;t attempt to move into space.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Privatize space.  NASA is a disgusting pile of pork that should be dismantled until it only exists as a regulating body.  Its days of blowing billions to satisfy Senator X&#039;s home town corporation need to end.  

A good use of NASA&#039;s budget would be tax breaks for corporations to accomplish NASA&#039;s previously defined missions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Privatize space.  <span class="caps">NASA</span> is a disgusting pile of pork that should be dismantled until it only exists as a regulating body.  Its days of blowing billions to satisfy Senator X&#8217;s home town corporation need to end.</p>

	<p>A good use of <span class="caps">NASA</span>&#8217;s budget would be tax breaks for corporations to accomplish <span class="caps">NASA</span>&#8217;s previously defined missions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But it seems to me that if we are clever enough to figure out how to colonize space in non-trivial numbers, we are also going to be clever enough to figure out how to survive here on Earth pretty much indefinitely.&quot;

This strikes me as completely invalid reasoning.  Remember &quot;If we can put a man on the moon, then we can find a cure for cancer?&quot;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But it seems to me that if we are clever enough to figure out how to colonize space in non-trivial numbers, we are also going to be clever enough to figure out how to survive here on Earth pretty much indefinitely.&#8221;</p>

	<p>This strikes me as completely invalid reasoning.  Remember &#8220;If we can put a man on the moon, then we can find a cure for cancer?&#8221;.</p>
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