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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68838</link>
		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ye gads! A Zoe Williams article being quoted (approvingly!) on CT?!?  She&#039;s one of the most irritating writers in the Guardian/Observer camp.  For instance, take this incisive analysis of the new pope: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1464458,00.html

It finishes with &quot;Who knows what goes through a pontiff&#039;s mind, in these interesting times.&quot; No sh*t, Sherlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ye gads! A Zoe Williams article being quoted (approvingly!) on CT?!?  She&#8217;s one of the most irritating writers in the Guardian/Observer camp.  For instance, take this incisive analysis of the new pope: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1464458,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1464458,00.html</a></p>

	<p>It finishes with &#8220;Who knows what goes through a pontiff&#8217;s mind, in these interesting times.&#8221; No sh*t, Sherlock.</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68789</link>
		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My rough guide to these things is that every decade described as the Xs actually ran from 19X+5 to 19X+14, thus what we commonly think of as the 60s didn&#039;t start until at least &#039;65, the 80s &#039;85 etc.  Which of course means that we&#039;ve only just left the &#039;90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My rough guide to these things is that every decade described as the Xs actually ran from 19X+5 to 19X+14, thus what we commonly think of as the 60s didn&#8217;t start until at least &#8216;65, the 80s &#8216;85 etc.  Which of course means that we&#8217;ve only just left the &#8216;90s.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68781</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two 60s. 1960-66 (approx) was a continuation of the 50s with more money and better music. 1967-69 was a dry run for the 70s, and as good and bad as that sounds (but still better music).

The world of Antonioni&#039;s Blow-Up was experienced by about 2000 people in London, while the rest of the country got on with it. the political priorities of the decade were exactly the same as the previous one. Tony Blair is an ignorant provincial git.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There were two 60s. 1960-66 (approx) was a continuation of the 50s with more money and better music. 1967-69 was a dry run for the 70s, and as good and bad as that sounds (but still better music).</p>

	<p>The world of Antonioni&#8217;s Blow-Up was experienced by about 2000 people in London, while the rest of the country got on with it. the political priorities of the decade were exactly the same as the previous one. Tony Blair is an ignorant provincial git.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68762</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When most people talk of the cultural changes of the 60s they&#039;re really talking about the decade starting from around 1965.

And of course most people live by habit and this creates tremendous social inertia - the hippies, the underground, the New Left etc definitely were small minorities, though influential ones in the longer run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When most people talk of the cultural changes of the 60s they&#8217;re really talking about the decade starting from around 1965.</p>

	<p>And of course most people live by habit and this creates tremendous social inertia &#8211; the hippies, the underground, the New Left etc definitely were small minorities, though influential ones in the longer run.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I remember Hitchhiker’s Guide being too nerdy for me and I liked Dungeons &amp; Dragons. Same with Dr. Who.

My dad insists he went through the entirety of the 50s and never once saw some Fonzie-like dude in a leather jacket, or a poddle skirt, or a hot rod . . . he claims that was all retroactively foisted on the 50s in the 70s by Happy Days.

Though I do remember the 80s pretty much as it&#039;s portrayed in the media: day-glo colors and plastic and big hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, I remember Hitchhiker&#8217;s Guide being too nerdy for me and I liked Dungeons &#038; Dragons. Same with Dr. Who.</p>

	<p>My dad insists he went through the entirety of the 50s and never once saw some Fonzie-like dude in a leather jacket, or a poddle skirt, or a hot rod . . . he claims that was all retroactively foisted on the 50s in the 70s by Happy Days.</p>

	<p>Though I do remember the 80s pretty much as it&#8217;s portrayed in the media: day-glo colors and plastic and big hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Watson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68752</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[A]t most, only 1 million [Brits] bought the best-selling single of the week. In comparison, 20 million regularly tuned in to watch The Black and White Minstrel Show.” 

Far from this being &quot;news that turns my world upside down&quot;, it&#039;s just a stupid statistical comparison.  Ultra-frequent (= weekly) buyers of recorded music always have been comparatively rare, but so what?  There is plainly no equivalence  - demographic and otherwise - between being a consumer of effectively &quot;disposable&quot; music, and being a television program regular.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;[A]t most, only 1 million [Brits] bought the best-selling single of the week. In comparison, 20 million regularly tuned in to watch The Black and White Minstrel Show.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Far from this being &#8220;news that turns my world upside down&#8221;, it&#8217;s just a stupid statistical comparison.  Ultra-frequent (= weekly) buyers of recorded music always have been comparatively rare, but so what?  There is plainly no equivalence  &#8211; demographic and otherwise &#8211; between being a consumer of effectively &#8220;disposable&#8221; music, and being a television program regular.</p>

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		<title>By: DonBoy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68746</link>
		<dc:creator>DonBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, The Black and White Minstrel Show.  I&#039;m American but we lived in London from 1970-3; when this show came on, my parents&#039; jaws hit the floor, whereas I was just mystified:  &quot;What&#039;s &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;?&quot;  Amazingly, the show ran on and off until &lt;i&gt;1978&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh yeah, The Black and White Minstrel Show.  I&#8217;m American but we lived in London from 1970-3; when this show came on, my parents&#8217; jaws hit the floor, whereas I was just mystified:  &#8220;What&#8217;s <i>that</i>?&#8221;  Amazingly, the show ran on and off until <i>1978</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68710</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the commissioning editors are in their thirties, and their experience of the 1980s was different to their parents&#039;.

The Williams piece does have one huge flaw: HHGTTG wasn&#039;t a creature of the 1980s, but of the late 70s. (The original radio broadcast was in 1978; the first book in 1979.) That &#039;chummy exasperation with local authorities&#039; is Callaghan&#039;s Britain, not Thatcher&#039;s; the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation is more Ronco than Innovations. (My big beef with the film is that Marvin is too damn &lt;i&gt;shiny&lt;/i&gt;.)

On nostalgia and its discontents, Michael Bywater&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=631129&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piece&lt;/a&gt; is also worth a read, particularly for its insight on how the bloody film project kept dragging Adams backwards for two decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, the commissioning editors are in their thirties, and their experience of the 1980s was different to their parents&#8217;.</p>

	<p>The Williams piece does have one huge flaw: <span class="caps">HHGTTG</span> wasn&#8217;t a creature of the 1980s, but of the late 70s. (The original radio broadcast was in 1978; the first book in 1979.) That &#8216;chummy exasperation with local authorities&#8217; is Callaghan&#8217;s Britain, not Thatcher&#8217;s; the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation is more Ronco than Innovations. (My big beef with the film is that Marvin is too damn <i>shiny</i>.)</p>

	<p>On nostalgia and its discontents, Michael Bywater&#8217;s <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=631129" rel="nofollow">piece</a> is also worth a read, particularly for its insight on how the bloody film project kept dragging Adams backwards for two decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/20/remember-the-80s/comment-page-1/#comment-68703</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She;&#039;s quite right about the 60&#039;s, but so incredibly wrong about H2G2. The story simply stands the test of time; it could have been made any time in the last 20 years, and any time in the next 40 (I&#039;d guess). Even the radio series still sounds fresh. Unlike (I can barely bring myself to admit this) a good deal of Dr. Who....

Doesn&#039;t mean the movie&#039;ll be any good -- might be complete crap, we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>She;&#8217;s quite right about the 60&#8217;s, but so incredibly wrong about <span class="caps">H2G2</span>. The story simply stands the test of time; it could have been made any time in the last 20 years, and any time in the next 40 (I&#8217;d guess). Even the radio series still sounds fresh. Unlike (I can barely bring myself to admit this) a good deal of Dr. Who&#8230;.</p>

	<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean the movie&#8217;ll be any good&#8212;might be complete crap, we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: vanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the 70s and the 80s well. And the 80s were nothing like the 70s. Although I would say for the most part the 90s were a lot like the 80s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I remember the 70s and the 80s well. And the 80s were nothing like the 70s. Although I would say for the most part the 90s were a lot like the 80s.</p>
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