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		<title>By: LaTeX: the pain, the pleasure &#124; Airminded</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-122227</link>
		<dc:creator>LaTeX: the pain, the pleasure &#124; Airminded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So is this a good idea? Come back in three years and I&#039;ll tell you &#8230; The comments to this Crooked Timber post show that there are in fact some users in the humanities. [back]Though actually, it seems that most history journals only accept paper manuscripts. How quaint! [back]To be fair, this seems to happen much less often than it used to. [back]Although MAKEBST might be another way to go. [back] Permalink &#124; Comment &#124; Trackback url [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] So is this a good idea? Come back in three years and I&#8217;ll tell you &#8230; The comments to this Crooked Timber post show that there are in fact some users in the humanities. [back]Though actually, it seems that most history journals only accept paper manuscripts. How quaint! [back]To be fair, this seems to happen much less often than it used to. [back]Although <span class="caps">MAKEBST</span> might be another way to go. [back] Permalink | Comment | Trackback url [...]</p>
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		<title>By: me2i81</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69953</link>
		<dc:creator>me2i81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is rather late and probably nobody will read this, but if you&#039;re using markup-based word processing (or not, but just want to capture text) be sure and look at the AlphaSmart. It&#039;s a product designed for kids in schools. It has a keyboard, an LCD display, and a built-in, very minimal word processor. It&#039;s quite dumb, but the advantages are (1) it runs on 2 or 3 AA batteries for 500 hours, (2) it only weighs 2 pounds, (3) it&#039;s almost indestructable, (4) has complete instructions on the back label, so it&#039;s that simple, and (5) is about $250. You upload using USB or infrared. If you&#039;re tired of lugging around a fragile, expensive, battery-hungry laptop, it&#039;s something to consider. You&#039;ll look like you&#039;re typing on a speak-and-spell. Alphasmart.com is the website. They also make a PalmOS version, but it&#039;s more money and doesn&#039;t have that 500-hour battery life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is rather late and probably nobody will read this, but if you&#8217;re using markup-based word processing (or not, but just want to capture text) be sure and look at the AlphaSmart. It&#8217;s a product designed for kids in schools. It has a keyboard, an <span class="caps">LCD</span> display, and a built-in, very minimal word processor. It&#8217;s quite dumb, but the advantages are (1) it runs on 2 or 3 AA batteries for 500 hours, (2) it only weighs 2 pounds, (3) it&#8217;s almost indestructable, (4) has complete instructions on the back label, so it&#8217;s that simple, and (5) is about $250. You upload using <span class="caps">USB</span> or infrared. If you&#8217;re tired of lugging around a fragile, expensive, battery-hungry laptop, it&#8217;s something to consider. You&#8217;ll look like you&#8217;re typing on a speak-and-spell. Alphasmart.com is the website. They also make a PalmOS version, but it&#8217;s more money and doesn&#8217;t have that 500-hour battery life.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ross</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69851</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez doesn&#039;t anyone use Note Bene with its multitudinous variations of style, bibliography tools, footnotes etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jeez doesn&#8217;t anyone use Note Bene with its multitudinous variations of style, bibliography tools, footnotes etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69829</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where does that put tablet PCs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So where does that put tablet PCs?</p>
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		<title>By: chris lovell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69816</link>
		<dc:creator>chris lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 02:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jurabib LaTeX package that has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread was created to do German legal footnotes. I don&#039;t know what American legal footnotes look like, but if they&#039;re close to the German style, than perhaps jurabib will suit your needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The jurabib LaTeX package that has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread was created to do German legal footnotes. I don&#8217;t know what American legal footnotes look like, but if they&#8217;re close to the German style, than perhaps jurabib will suit your needs.</p>
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		<title>By: brainwidth</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69808</link>
		<dc:creator>brainwidth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, I asked a similar question &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/#comment-69694&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;above&lt;/a&gt;, but I think that the answer is probably no.  The only product out there that comes close to automated citation management for legal documents is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.citeit.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CiteIt&lt;/a&gt;, which the firm I work for is beta testing.  It&#039;s pretty clunky, and I don&#039;t find it particularly useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jeremy, I asked a similar question <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/#comment-69694" rel="nofollow">above</a>, but I think that the answer is probably no.  The only product out there that comes close to automated citation management for legal documents is <a href="http://www.citeit.com/" rel="nofollow">CiteIt</a>, which the firm I work for is beta testing.  It&#8217;s pretty clunky, and I don&#8217;t find it particularly useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69797</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say is there any TeX-y solution for legal footnotes? My sister (formerly a paralegal and now at law school) was indicating to me a little while back that she thought there was a crying need for a tool that would make them automatically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Say is there any TeX-y solution for legal footnotes? My sister (formerly a paralegal and now at law school) was indicating to me a little while back that she thought there was a crying need for a tool that would make them automatically.</p>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69794</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then my career path is laid out before me!
1. Go to grad school in a humanistic discipline, and learn what the natives require in bibliography management software.
2. Become a much better programmer
3. Write said software.
4. ?
5. Profit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then my career path is laid out before me!<br />
1. Go to grad school in a humanistic discipline, and learn what the natives require in bibliography management software.<br />
2. Become a much better programmer<br />
3. Write said software.<br />
4. ?<br />
5. Profit!</p>
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		<title>By: lago</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69786</link>
		<dc:creator>lago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A kind of pedantic point: People bringing up Emacs’s BibTeX mode and specialized BibTeX database managers are misunderstanding Ben Wolfson’s question. Those utilities don’t create the entries for you; they just help you manage information that you input manually.&lt;/i&gt;

Even more pedantic: they &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; create the BibTeX entries (by assembling existing elements in BibTeX format), but they do not conjure up the elements of information without manual intervention (eg typing or custom import).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A kind of pedantic point: People bringing up Emacs&#8217;s BibTeX mode and specialized BibTeX database managers are misunderstanding Ben Wolfson&#8217;s question. Those utilities don&#8217;t create the entries for you; they just help you manage information that you input manually.</i></p>

	<p>Even more pedantic: they <b>do</b> create the BibTeX entries (by assembling existing elements in BibTeX format), but they do not conjure up the elements of information without manual intervention (eg typing or custom import).</p>
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		<title>By: bza</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69775</link>
		<dc:creator>bza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s entirely separate; the problems are with BibTeX, not TeX itself.  So it should be entirely possible to create a replacement for BibTeX that would do better.  (I in fact use such a replacement, but it&#039;s a jury-rigged mess that&#039;s not suitable for anything other than my private use.)

As yet there&#039;s been little clamor for a replacement: BibTeX is fine for the citation styles natural scientists and most social scientists use, and they still make up the overwhelming majority of TeX users.  I&#039;d conjecture that, as more and more humanists take up TeX, there will eventually emerge a new bibliographic system suited to their needs, while the scientists continue to use BibTeX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s entirely separate; the problems are with BibTeX, not TeX itself.  So it should be entirely possible to create a replacement for BibTeX that would do better.  (I in fact use such a replacement, but it&#8217;s a jury-rigged mess that&#8217;s not suitable for anything other than my private use.)</p>

	<p>As yet there&#8217;s been little clamor for a replacement: BibTeX is fine for the citation styles natural scientists and most social scientists use, and they still make up the overwhelming majority of TeX users.  I&#8217;d conjecture that, as more and more humanists take up TeX, there will eventually emerge a new bibliographic system suited to their needs, while the scientists continue to use BibTeX.</p>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69772</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a partial misunderstanding--those answers are after all useful.

Based on des von bladet&#039;s and your posts, bza, is BibTeX fundamentally separate from but integrated into the TeX system, or do BibTeX&#039;s flaws stem from TeX flaws?  Could one create an entirely separate bibliographic system that hooked into TeX/LaTeX?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s a partial misunderstanding&#8212;those answers are after all useful.</p>

	<p>Based on des von bladet&#8217;s and your posts, bza, is BibTeX fundamentally separate from but integrated into the TeX system, or do BibTeX&#8217;s flaws stem from TeX flaws?  Could one create an entirely separate bibliographic system that hooked into TeX/LaTeX?</p>
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		<title>By: bza</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69753</link>
		<dc:creator>bza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is there a BrE equivalent of the Chicago MoS does anyone know?&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;Oxford Guide to Style&lt;/i&gt;, which I really wish hadn&#039;t been retitled.  It used to called something like &lt;i&gt;Oxford Rules for Readers and Compositors&lt;/i&gt;, which was so English and plummy it&#039;s a shame to have lost it.

&lt;i&gt;Have you looked at the BibTeX langwidge itself, persons? Spastic baboons would weep hot hot tears of shame to have perpetrated such a something.&lt;/i&gt;

Amen.  Although the problems go beyond the heinousness of a stack-based language.  (For instance, you can&#039;t reliably do multiple levels of inclusion, which prevents you from adequately representing, say, an essay contained in one volume of a multi-volume set.  Or again: when processing one item you can&#039;t access information in another item unless the latter contains the former.  This prevents proper implementation of several Chicago rules.)  But as I suggested above, I think the workflow model that BibTeX is based on is--for the humanitites--fundamentally flawed, so a successor shouldn&#039;t just try to repair these sorts of defects. 

A kind of pedantic point: People bringing up Emacs&#039;s BibTeX mode and specialized BibTeX database managers are misunderstanding Ben Wolfson&#039;s question.  Those utilities don&#039;t create the entries for you; they just help you manage information that you input manually.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Is there a BrE equivalent of the Chicago MoS does anyone know?</i></p>

	<p>There&#8217;s the <i>Oxford Guide to Style</i>, which I really wish hadn&#8217;t been retitled.  It used to called something like <i>Oxford Rules for Readers and Compositors</i>, which was so English and plummy it&#8217;s a shame to have lost it.</p>

	<p><i>Have you looked at the BibTeX langwidge itself, persons? Spastic baboons would weep hot hot tears of shame to have perpetrated such a something.</i></p>

	<p>Amen.  Although the problems go beyond the heinousness of a stack-based language.  (For instance, you can&#8217;t reliably do multiple levels of inclusion, which prevents you from adequately representing, say, an essay contained in one volume of a multi-volume set.  Or again: when processing one item you can&#8217;t access information in another item unless the latter contains the former.  This prevents proper implementation of several Chicago rules.)  But as I suggested above, I think the workflow model that BibTeX is based on is&#8212;for the humanitites&#8212;fundamentally flawed, so a successor shouldn&#8217;t just try to repair these sorts of defects.</p>

	<p>A kind of pedantic point: People bringing up Emacs&#8217;s BibTeX mode and specialized BibTeX database managers are misunderstanding Ben Wolfson&#8217;s question.  Those utilities don&#8217;t create the entries for you; they just help you manage information that you input manually.</p>
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		<title>By: dca</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69737</link>
		<dc:creator>dca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to strike an eccentric note in a very enjoyable and useful thread, I like to do drafts by hand (pen), then revise and tinker with the typography at the keyboard--though I compose anything other than papers there. The eccentric part: the pen is a number 00 Rapidograph, and the typesetting is troff (now groff). So I&#039;ve been able to keep the same system (and reuse files) since 1979.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just to strike an eccentric note in a very enjoyable and useful thread, I like to do drafts by hand (pen), then revise and tinker with the typography at the keyboard&#8212;though I compose anything other than papers there. The eccentric part: the pen is a number 00 Rapidograph, and the typesetting is troff (now groff). So I&#8217;ve been able to keep the same system (and reuse files) since 1979.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69722</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Montblanc makes jewelry that suitable for men to stick in their shirtpockets.  If you want an actual &lt;i&gt;pen&lt;/i&gt;, I would suggest you purchase a Pelikan.   A lifetime warranty really is worth something if you&#039;re planning on using a pen for a long while...like more than a year, which is all that Montblanc is willing to concede to.

To answer somebody&#039;s question, there are women who use fountain pens; my partner is one of them.  I would opine that the fetish aspect of fountain pens appeals to an almost exclusively male audience.  Most of the female users of fountain pens that I know are primarily interested in writing more easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Montblanc makes jewelry that suitable for men to stick in their shirtpockets.  If you want an actual <i>pen</i>, I would suggest you purchase a Pelikan.   A lifetime warranty really is worth something if you&#8217;re planning on using a pen for a long while&#8230;like more than a year, which is all that Montblanc is willing to concede to.</p>

	<p>To answer somebody&#8217;s question, there are women who use fountain pens; my partner is one of them.  I would opine that the fetish aspect of fountain pens appeals to an almost exclusively male audience.  Most of the female users of fountain pens that I know are primarily interested in writing more easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/27/fetishizing-the-text/comment-page-2/#comment-69716</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you used &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lyx.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LyX&lt;/a&gt;? It claims to be &quot;the first WYSIWYM document processor.&quot; (What You See Is What You Meant) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Have any of you used <a href="http://www.lyx.org" rel="nofollow">LyX</a>? It claims to be &#8220;the first <span class="caps">WYSIWYM</span> document processor.&#8221; (What You See Is What You Meant)</p>
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