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		<title>By: Jack Lake</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69938</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eszter,
My Matzah Brei this year was Sangria Matzah Brei (Sangria instead of water). Your Nutella reminds me of my Galicianer late Mom (oi) putting tons of sugar on Matzah Brei.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eszter,<br />
My Matzah Brei this year was Sangria Matzah Brei (Sangria instead of water). Your Nutella reminds me of my Galicianer late Mom (oi) putting tons of sugar on Matzah Brei.</p>
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		<title>By: vivian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69927</link>
		<dc:creator>vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>their &quot;reduced-fat&quot; apple coffee cake is much better than expected - moist appley and generous slice. Does nothing for the chocolate craving but is a very nice load of unnecessary calories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>their &#8220;reduced-fat&#8221; apple coffee cake is much better than expected &#8211; moist appley and generous slice. Does nothing for the chocolate craving but is a very nice load of unnecessary calories.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69879</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to take this opportunity to sing high praises for the Starbuck&#039;s molasses cookie.  

I&#039;ll agree with the consensus that most of their &quot;pastries&quot; are horrid abortions -- e.g. their croissants are to genuine croissants as the ebola virus is to cuddling with loved ones.  But I will actually go out of my way to enjoy one of their delicious molasses cookies: always moist, a little ginger-y, crusted with sugar crystals, pleasantly bitter.  Yum.

In Ann Arbor, they&#039;ve been serving little opera cakes, which, if there were a God, would taste like... victory.  Instead they have a cloying marshmallow-y taste.

Back to the old dissertation, then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d like to take this opportunity to sing high praises for the Starbuck&#8217;s molasses cookie.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ll agree with the consensus that most of their &#8220;pastries&#8221; are horrid abortions&#8212;e.g. their croissants are to genuine croissants as the ebola virus is to cuddling with loved ones.  But I will actually go out of my way to enjoy one of their delicious molasses cookies: always moist, a little ginger-y, crusted with sugar crystals, pleasantly bitter.  Yum.</p>

	<p>In Ann Arbor, they&#8217;ve been serving little opera cakes, which, if there were a God, would taste like&#8230; victory.  Instead they have a cloying marshmallow-y taste.</p>

	<p>Back to the old dissertation, then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptic Ned</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69849</link>
		<dc:creator>Cryptic Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only good pastry was the Toffee Almond Bar, which seems to no longer exist.  It may have been replaced by the Chocolate Marshmallow Chocolate Fudge Walnut Fudge Bar, or whatever that thing&#039;s called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The only good pastry was the Toffee Almond Bar, which seems to no longer exist.  It may have been replaced by the Chocolate Marshmallow Chocolate Fudge Walnut Fudge Bar, or whatever that thing&#8217;s called.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69845</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I find the pastries to be indistinguishable in the following areas: New York City, Philadelpia, Boise Idaho.  I don&#039;t know what that means.  My point is that it&#039;s the &quot;making to plan&quot; that&#039;s the problem, perhaps.  There is certainly no baker working on these things and thinking, &quot;hmm, that&#039;s a bit bland- better put in some more X&quot; or &quot;that&#039;s too dry- better try more oil&quot; or something.  Rather, it&#039;s someone pooring in flour and the like and flicking the switch on an industrial mixer.  The taste (and uniformity) show it, it seems.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have to say that I find the pastries to be indistinguishable in the following areas: New York City, Philadelpia, Boise Idaho.  I don&#8217;t know what that means.  My point is that it&#8217;s the &#8220;making to plan&#8221; that&#8217;s the problem, perhaps.  There is certainly no baker working on these things and thinking, &#8220;hmm, that&#8217;s a bit bland- better put in some more X&#8221; or &#8220;that&#8217;s too dry- better try more oil&#8221; or something.  Rather, it&#8217;s someone pooring in flour and the like and flicking the switch on an industrial mixer.  The taste (and uniformity) show it, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: tad brennan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69844</link>
		<dc:creator>tad brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s got to be someone from the Seattle main office reading this by now, so they can correct me.

But my impression is that Starbucks has contracts with dozens of small-to-medium-size bakeries around the country to produce pastries to their specs.  

So, the Starbucks in Wichita gets its pastries from some Wichita bakery which uses Starbucks recipes on Starbucks-approved ingredients (&quot;flour will be a commercial all purpose grade containing between 10%-12% protein&quot;, and so on for every ingredient).

This is less mass-produced than it could be (e.g. they could be baking every single muffin inside a hangar at Sea-Tac airport and flying them all around the world).  But some of the regional bakeries will still be large enough for the slur to stick.

This means, on the one hand, that every Starbucks will have something called a cranberry scone, fairly similar in plan and ingredients.

But as you bakers know, it also means that there can be a *lot* of variation in actual quality.  And even in the thickness of the fudge.

If a regional baker is falling below specs, then the head office ought to hear about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s got to be someone from the Seattle main office reading this by now, so they can correct me.</p>

	<p>But my impression is that Starbucks has contracts with dozens of small-to-medium-size bakeries around the country to produce pastries to their specs.</p>

	<p>So, the Starbucks in Wichita gets its pastries from some Wichita bakery which uses Starbucks recipes on Starbucks-approved ingredients (&#8220;flour will be a commercial all purpose grade containing between 10%-12% protein&#8221;, and so on for every ingredient).</p>

	<p>This is less mass-produced than it could be (e.g. they could be baking every single muffin inside a hangar at Sea-Tac airport and flying them all around the world).  But some of the regional bakeries will still be large enough for the slur to stick.</p>

	<p>This means, on the one hand, that every Starbucks will have something called a cranberry scone, fairly similar in plan and ingredients.</p>

	<p>But as you bakers know, it also means that there can be a <strong>lot</strong> of variation in actual quality.  And even in the thickness of the fudge.</p>

	<p>If a regional baker is falling below specs, then the head office ought to hear about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69840</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My general impression is that it&#039;s impossible to have pastries and other products that are as uniform looking as those at Starbucks w/o their being mass-produced, and that mass-produced backed-goods usually taste about like you&#039;d expect- not very interesting or good.  I generally avoid starbucks, finding it over-priced and not that good (there are better options on every front close by to where I am) but when I have eaten their pastries I find that I&#039;m consistently disapointed.  (I can&#039;t say anything about the espresso brownie in particular, but their pound cake is bad, and their &quot;Scones&quot; certainly leave something to desire.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My general impression is that it&#8217;s impossible to have pastries and other products that are as uniform looking as those at Starbucks w/o their being mass-produced, and that mass-produced backed-goods usually taste about like you&#8217;d expect- not very interesting or good.  I generally avoid starbucks, finding it over-priced and not that good (there are better options on every front close by to where I am) but when I have eaten their pastries I find that I&#8217;m consistently disapointed.  (I can&#8217;t say anything about the espresso brownie in particular, but their pound cake is bad, and their &#8220;Scones&#8221; certainly leave something to desire.)</p>
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		<title>By: IF</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69839</link>
		<dc:creator>IF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, two things.

1)  I went to the web site.  I expressed my thoughts.  Unfortunately, one of my thoughts involved the phrase &quot;our fascist taste Overlords&quot;.  I am almost certain that this can not be considered helpful; but, I did try.

2) The recent pastry innovation &#039;round the DC area is introduction of walnuts and the gradual phasing out of moisture.  &quot;mmmm, Cake-y; like dried mud!&quot;  So very dry, in fact, one must purchase an additional coffee to wash it all down.  And that, my dear friends, is how they &quot;get&quot; you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, two things.</p>

	<p>1)  I went to the web site.  I expressed my thoughts.  Unfortunately, one of my thoughts involved the phrase &#8220;our fascist taste Overlords&#8221;.  I am almost certain that this can not be considered helpful; but, I did try.</p>

	<p>2) The recent pastry innovation &#8216;round the DC area is introduction of walnuts and the gradual phasing out of moisture.  &#8220;mmmm, Cake-y; like dried mud!&#8221;  So very dry, in fact, one must purchase an additional coffee to wash it all down.  And that, my dear friends, is how they &#8220;get&#8221; you.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lakelobos - is it okay to blog about pastry even if it&#039;s Matzah week?:)  My Matzah innovation this year is spreading Nutella on it.  (As you can tell, the chocolate theme continues.)

As for skipping Starbucks coffee, many financial planning books will tell you that one good way to save the little you need to start investing is to give up on visiting cafes for expensive drinks. So yes, making coffee at home is likely a better bet.

Christopher - I think many of their products are, indeed, quite standardized across markets.  That&#039;s what it seemed like to me.  

By the way, the St. Patrick&#039;s day special green fudge mint chocolate pastry was also great.  Unfortunately, I think it&#039;s only served that time of year.  (It&#039;s also proof that they are able to make good fudge so there is no reason for ruining the espresso brownie with a bad addition.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lakelobos &#8211; is it okay to blog about pastry even if it&#8217;s Matzah week?:)  My Matzah innovation this year is spreading Nutella on it.  (As you can tell, the chocolate theme continues.)</p>

	<p>As for skipping Starbucks coffee, many financial planning books will tell you that one good way to save the little you need to start investing is to give up on visiting cafes for expensive drinks. So yes, making coffee at home is likely a better bet.</p>

	<p>Christopher &#8211; I think many of their products are, indeed, quite standardized across markets.  That&#8217;s what it seemed like to me.</p>

	<p>By the way, the St. Patrick&#8217;s day special green fudge mint chocolate pastry was also great.  Unfortunately, I think it&#8217;s only served that time of year.  (It&#8217;s also proof that they are able to make good fudge so there is no reason for ruining the espresso brownie with a bad addition.)</p>
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		<title>By: goesh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69833</link>
		<dc:creator>goesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pastry in the Starbucks here is superb! They have a large variety, it is always fresh, wonderful texture and taste. The price is a bit high but not extreme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The pastry in the Starbucks here is superb! They have a large variety, it is always fresh, wonderful texture and taste. The price is a bit high but not extreme</p>
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		<title>By: lakelobos</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69832</link>
		<dc:creator>lakelobos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eszter,
In the presence of irrelevance, trivia is refreshing.

I find their coffee too acidic and low on taste. Pastries, according to NIH, are the enemy of fat people, so I stay away from them (particularly this Matza week).

Hey, it takes exactly 5 minutes to make great coffee at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eszter,<br />
In the presence of irrelevance, trivia is refreshing.</p>

	<p>I find their coffee too acidic and low on taste. Pastries, according to <span class="caps">NIH</span>, are the enemy of fat people, so I stay away from them (particularly this Matza week).</p>

	<p>Hey, it takes exactly 5 minutes to make great coffee at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know their sandwiches &amp; drink selection vary from city to city.  Are their pastries generally standardized, apart from the minor variation Eszter mentioned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know their sandwiches &#038; drink selection vary from city to city.  Are their pastries generally standardized, apart from the minor variation Eszter mentioned?</p>
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		<title>By: Kamala</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69822</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Starbucks began, they used to argue that the pastry was a true part of the overall experience, and the executives would give a fair bit of time to deciding what pastries suited their image, what tastes they should go for etc.

The original Brownie is a hangover from those days.  Unfortunately, as the coffee house market became more competitive, they decided to focus on the beans, and less on the sugar.  The thought being &#039;with coffee this good, who needs fudge?&#039;.

But we do need fudge, and the movement must begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When Starbucks began, they used to argue that the pastry was a true part of the overall experience, and the executives would give a fair bit of time to deciding what pastries suited their image, what tastes they should go for etc.</p>

	<p>The original Brownie is a hangover from those days.  Unfortunately, as the coffee house market became more competitive, they decided to focus on the beans, and less on the sugar.  The thought being &#8216;with coffee this good, who needs fudge?&#8217;.</p>

	<p>But we do need fudge, and the movement must begin!</p>
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		<title>By: hope</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/04/28/pastry-blues/comment-page-1/#comment-69817</link>
		<dc:creator>hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a place with such good coffee, they have terrible food. I have yet to eat a Starbuck&#039;s pastry that I liked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For a place with such good coffee, they have terrible food. I have yet to eat a Starbuck&#8217;s pastry that I liked.</p>
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