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	<title>Comments on: Horowitz and SUNY</title>
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		<title>By: Nate Roberts</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70702</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 08:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the /Chronicle/ piece and did not find any actually found it to be too flattering of Mr. Horowitz.  I don&#039;t recall any mention of the David Project&#039;s roll in the attack on academic freedom at Columbia University or anything that would give the reader a flavor for the type of hate he promotes.  

They could have mentioned, for example, a recent article in his FrontPageMagazin.com which calls slain peace activist Marla Ruzicka an &quot;activist bimbette hampering... American soldiers and helping their terrorist killers&quot; and rejoices over her death.

For a flavor of all the the /Chronicle/ article chose to ignore, here is something I posted something on DailyKos which discusses both the Marla attack and provides a round-up of the Columbia case: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/1/93516/90200&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINKED: Marla Ruzicka Attack &amp; Academic Freedom at Columbia University&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I read the /Chronicle/ piece and did not find any actually found it to be too flattering of Mr. Horowitz.  I don&#8217;t recall any mention of the David Project&#8217;s roll in the attack on academic freedom at Columbia University or anything that would give the reader a flavor for the type of hate he promotes.</p>

	<p>They could have mentioned, for example, a recent article in his FrontPageMagazin.com which calls slain peace activist Marla Ruzicka an &#8220;activist bimbette hampering&#8230; American soldiers and helping their terrorist killers&#8221; and rejoices over her death.</p>

	<p>For a flavor of all the the /Chronicle/ article chose to ignore, here is something I posted something on DailyKos which discusses both the Marla attack and provides a round-up of the Columbia case:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/1/93516/90200" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">LINKED</span>: Marla Ruzicka Attack &#038; Academic Freedom at Columbia University</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barry Freed</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70692</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Freed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 04:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Two simple points, not that it will make any difference:

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;(1) The notion that it is clever to make a joke about political murder is about as degraded as the supposed joke itself.&lt;/i&gt;


I won&#039;t claim my all too obvious quip was clever, but I&#039;ve heard plenty of brilliantly clever jokes about political assassination from the likes of Lenny Bruce, Paul Krassner and Bill Hicks just to pick three which spring immediately to mind.   And some of them were downright uplifting too.


&lt;i&gt;(2) Trotsky was killed with an ice axe, not an ice pick. If you must be inane, at least be accurate.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m going to go out on a limb here and say that Comrade Trotsky, if he were alive today and had an internet connection would agree with me in agreeing with your initial caveat:  You&#039;re right, it doesn&#039;t make a difference. 


Try not to be such a stuffed shirt.  You&#039;ll give PC a bad name. 

(And while you&#039;re at it you might do something about that horrendous graphic banner on Inside higher ed that takes up such a large portion of my screen and I can&#039;t get rid of with either adblock in firefox or pith helmet in safari.  I find it it even more annoying than pop-ups/unders would be, and that&#039;s not a joke.)




And by the way, I&#039;m in the company of no less an authority than Marx on the first point above:



&quot;I think the only hope this country has is Nixon&#039;s assassination.&quot;

-Groucho Marx interview with Flash magazine in 1971.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Two simple points, not that it will make any difference:</i></p>

	<p><i>(1) The notion that it is clever to make a joke about political murder is about as degraded as the supposed joke itself.</i></p>


	<p>I won&#8217;t claim my all too obvious quip was clever, but I&#8217;ve heard plenty of brilliantly clever jokes about political assassination from the likes of Lenny Bruce, Paul Krassner and Bill Hicks just to pick three which spring immediately to mind.   And some of them were downright uplifting too.</p>


	<p><i>(2) Trotsky was killed with an ice axe, not an ice pick. If you must be inane, at least be accurate.</i></p>

	<p>I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb here and say that Comrade Trotsky, if he were alive today and had an internet connection would agree with me in agreeing with your initial caveat:  You&#8217;re right, it doesn&#8217;t make a difference.</p>


	<p>Try not to be such a stuffed shirt.  You&#8217;ll give PC a bad name.</p>

	<p>(And while you&#8217;re at it you might do something about that horrendous graphic banner on Inside higher ed that takes up such a large portion of my screen and I can&#8217;t get rid of with either adblock in firefox or pith helmet in safari.  I find it it even more annoying than pop-ups/unders would be, and that&#8217;s not a joke.)</p>




	<p>And by the way, I&#8217;m in the company of no less an authority than Marx on the first point above:</p>



	<p>&#8220;I think the only hope this country has is Nixon&#8217;s assassination.&#8221;</p>

	<p>-Groucho Marx interview with Flash magazine in 1971.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Bridegam</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70681</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Bridegam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m a liberal. Where&#039;s my professorship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, I&#8217;m a liberal. Where&#8217;s my professorship?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70680</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 01:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“While he wants desperately to be included in the academy—for professors to assign his books and invite him to speak in classes—he seems eager to punish it, in part, for turning a cold shoulder to his work.”&lt;/i&gt;

I recall that much the same was said about Newt Gingrich, back when there were people who gave a shit about Newt Gingrich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;While he wants desperately to be included in the academy&#8212;for professors to assign his books and invite him to speak in classes&#8212;he seems eager to punish it, in part, for turning a cold shoulder to his work.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>I recall that much the same was said about Newt Gingrich, back when there were people who gave a shit about Newt Gingrich.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70674</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Arts &amp; Letters Daily was once the first website I went to every day to read something interesting.&lt;/i&gt;

I noticed A&amp;LD&#039;s wingnut tendency a long while back, and stopped visiting. It&#039;s something that&#039;s always been there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Arts &#038; Letters Daily was once the first website I went to every day to read something interesting.</i></p>

	<p>I noticed A&#038;LD&#8217;s wingnut tendency a long while back, and stopped visiting. It&#8217;s something that&#8217;s always been there.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70670</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a friend adjuncting the second half of World History years ago who insisted that the only fact anyone took out of a two semester W.H. survey was that Trotsky got killed with an ice pick. You&#039;ve got your work cut out for you, Scott.

Is it still okay to make jokes about Catherine the Great and her horse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I had a friend adjuncting the second half of World History years ago who insisted that the only fact anyone took out of a two semester W.H. survey was that Trotsky got killed with an ice pick. You&#8217;ve got your work cut out for you, Scott.</p>

	<p>Is it still okay to make jokes about Catherine the Great and her horse?</p>
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		<title>By: urizon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70667</link>
		<dc:creator>urizon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to be a SUNY student. In my experience—at SUNY New Paltz, anyway—Horowitz’ work has already been done for him. More than fifty percent of the New Paltz faculty are untenured adjuncts who make approximately two thousand dollar for a 16 week course. The number of tenured professors is shrinking every year, and the way things are going, there will be a couple of tenured professors in each department with dozens of adjuncts doing all the heavy lifting for a pittance.

Now we’ve got that mendacious, fascist fuck Horowitz going after tenure within the SUNY system. What tenure, David, you pea-brained douche-bag?

Sigh.

Nice when two different agendas dove-tail so seamlessly into one another, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I happen to be a <span class="caps">SUNY</span> student. In my experience&#8212;at <span class="caps">SUNY </span>New Paltz, anyway&#8212;Horowitz&#8217; work has already been done for him. More than fifty percent of the New Paltz faculty are untenured adjuncts who make approximately two thousand dollar for a 16 week course. The number of tenured professors is shrinking every year, and the way things are going, there will be a couple of tenured professors in each department with dozens of adjuncts doing all the heavy lifting for a pittance.</p>

	<p>Now we&#8217;ve got that mendacious, fascist fuck Horowitz going after tenure within the <span class="caps">SUNY</span> system. What tenure, David, you pea-brained douche-bag?</p>

	<p>Sigh.</p>

	<p>Nice when two different agendas dove-tail so seamlessly into one another, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Pohl</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70662</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horowitz really made $300,000 a year?  I know highly accomplished people who work in finance and they all make a fraction of that.  I doubt Trotsky at his career peak never cracked six figures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Horowitz really made $300,000 a year?  I know highly accomplished people who work in finance and they all make a fraction of that.  I doubt Trotsky at his career peak never cracked six figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLemee</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70660</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott McLemee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two simple points, not that it will make any difference:

(1) The notion that it is clever to make a joke about political murder is about as degraded as the supposed joke itself. 

(2) Trotsky was killed with an ice axe, not an ice pick. If you must be inane, at least be accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Two simple points, not that it will make any difference:</p>

	<p>(1) The notion that it is clever to make a joke about political murder is about as degraded as the supposed joke itself.</p>

	<p>(2) Trotsky was killed with an ice axe, not an ice pick. If you must be inane, at least be accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor M. Muniz-Fraticelli</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70658</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor M. Muniz-Fraticelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by the &lt;em&gt;Chronicle&lt;/em&gt; piece, Horowitz is a textbook example of &lt;em&gt;ressentiment&lt;/em&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For every sufferer instinctively seeks a cause for his suffering; more exactly, an agent; still more specifically, a &lt;em&gt;guilty&lt;/em&gt; agent who is susceptible to suffering&#8212;in short, some living thing upon which he can, on some pretext or other, vent his affects, actually or in effigy: for the venting of his affects represents the greatest attempt on the part of the suffering to win relief, &lt;em&gt;anaesthesia&lt;/em&gt;&#8212;the narcotic he cannot help desiring to deaden pain of any kind. This alone, I surmise, constitutes the actual physiological cause of &lt;em&gt;ressentiment&lt;/em&gt;, vengefulness, and the like: &lt;em&gt;a desire to deaden pain by means of affects&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Friedrich Nietzsche. &lt;em&gt;On the Genealogy of Morals&lt;/em&gt;. Walter Kaufmann, trans. New York: Random House, 1967. P. 127. [Pt. III, Sec. 15]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Judging by the <em>Chronicle</em> piece, Horowitz is a textbook example of <em>ressentiment</em>:</p>

	<p><blockquote>For every sufferer instinctively seeks a cause for his suffering; more exactly, an agent; still more specifically, a <em>guilty</em> agent who is susceptible to suffering&mdash;in short, some living thing upon which he can, on some pretext or other, vent his affects, actually or in effigy: for the venting of his affects represents the greatest attempt on the part of the suffering to win relief, <em>anaesthesia</em>&mdash;the narcotic he cannot help desiring to deaden pain of any kind. This alone, I surmise, constitutes the actual physiological cause of <em>ressentiment</em>, vengefulness, and the like: <em>a desire to deaden pain by means of affects</em>.</blockquote><br />
Friedrich Nietzsche. <em>On the Genealogy of Morals</em>. Walter Kaufmann, trans. New York: Random House, 1967. P. 127. [Pt. <span class="caps">III</span>, Sec. 15]</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70657</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone had Horowitz killed with an icepick? Where can we send the cheques? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Someone had Horowitz killed with an icepick? Where can we send the cheques?</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70656</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve complained for years about the practices of Morgan Stanley. And yet, after all this time, THEY STILL HAVEN&#039;T OFFERED ME AN EXECUTIVE POSITION. Hard as that is to believe. I&#039;ve also complained about Great Britain (no cabinet offer yet from Downing Street), Microsoft (where&#039;s the call from BG?) and many others. 

Thus, I understand the agony Horowitz has gone through, as his touching life story hasn&#039;t been filmed (with Brad Pitt in the role of our hero, obviously), Harvard has not responded to the generous offer to run the Kennedy School, and he&#039;s had to suffer on all sorts of fronts.  

I look forward to ignoring his next book.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve complained for years about the practices of Morgan Stanley. And yet, after all this time, <span class="caps">THEY STILL HAVEN</span>&#8217;T <span class="caps">OFFERED ME AN EXECUTIVE POSITION</span>. Hard as that is to believe. I&#8217;ve also complained about Great Britain (no cabinet offer yet from Downing Street), Microsoft (where&#8217;s the call from BG?) and many others.</p>

	<p>Thus, I understand the agony Horowitz has gone through, as his touching life story hasn&#8217;t been filmed (with Brad Pitt in the role of our hero, obviously), Harvard has not responded to the generous offer to run the Kennedy School, and he&#8217;s had to suffer on all sorts of fronts.</p>

	<p>I look forward to ignoring his next book.</p>
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		<title>By: praktike</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70652</link>
		<dc:creator>praktike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stalin ignored Trotsky?

Dear Lord.

btw, Horowitz never got a PhD. So ... where&#039;s the beef?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Stalin ignored Trotsky?</p>

	<p>Dear Lord.</p>

	<p>btw, Horowitz never got a PhD. So &#8230; where&#8217;s the beef?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Freed</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70651</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Freed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mourn the loss of Lingua Franca and will forever remember from that hilarious piece on deconstructing Gilligan&#039;s Island, the immortal phrase:  &quot;Gilliganian &lt;i&gt;jouissance&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I mourn the loss of Lingua Franca and will forever remember from that hilarious piece on deconstructing Gilligan&#8217;s Island, the immortal phrase:  &#8220;Gilliganian <i>jouissance</i>.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/05/horowitz-and-suny/comment-page-1/#comment-70650</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  The Moby Lives article that&#039;s excerpted above about Dutton is 100% innuendo and 0% facts--prompted by the fact that Dutton was traveling on the author&#039;s deadline and didn&#039;t get back to him.  Read it, you&#039;ll be underwhelmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>PS:  The Moby Lives article that&#8217;s excerpted above about Dutton is 100% innuendo and 0% facts&#8212;prompted by the fact that Dutton was traveling on the author&#8217;s deadline and didn&#8217;t get back to him.  Read it, you&#8217;ll be underwhelmed.</p>
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