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		<title>By: Joshua Salik</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72357</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Salik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 07:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boycotting is like suicide-bombing - the first casualties are the boycotters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Boycotting is like suicide-bombing &#8211; the first casualties are the boycotters.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyal</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72123</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 13:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the Guardian articles after the boycott was declared, IIRC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One of the Guardian articles after the boycott was declared, <span class="caps">IIRC</span></p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72112</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 10:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stifling free speech? Where did he say that?</description>
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		<title>By: Eyal</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72111</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 09:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat ironic that Omar Barghouti accuses Israel of sustaining an apartheid regime and stifling free speech (both in the article linked here and others), given that he&#039;s a PhD student at Tel Aviv University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s somewhat ironic that Omar Barghouti accuses Israel of sustaining an apartheid regime and stifling free speech (both in the article linked here and others), given that he&#8217;s a PhD student at Tel Aviv University.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72097</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 04:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt.</description>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72096</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 04:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_180 degrees wrong._

Talk about knee-jerk responses! Ha!

It&#039;s not like your big long words add anything to the discussion anyway. They&#039;re just nothing but unsubstantiated whines about OMG those liberals are so illiberal. Any academic worth his salt can see through all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>180 degrees wrong.</em></p>

	<p>Talk about knee-jerk responses! Ha!</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s not like your big long words add anything to the discussion anyway. They&#8217;re just nothing but unsubstantiated whines about <span class="caps">OMG</span> those liberals are so illiberal. Any academic worth his salt can see through all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72055</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 20:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rephrasing: 180 degrees wrong.

And, in part, it&#039;s an illiberal, self-satisfied ideologue/academic being mimiced, a common and commonly conforming species, particularly known for their multiplicity of ad hoc commandments, such as:

&quot;We can dish it out aplenty and as aggressively as we like, but should never have to take it, for we are the righteous.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The rephrasing: 180 degrees wrong.</p>

	<p>And, in part, it&#8217;s an illiberal, self-satisfied ideologue/academic being mimiced, a common and commonly conforming species, particularly known for their multiplicity of ad hoc commandments, such as:</p>

	<p>&#8220;We can dish it out aplenty and as aggressively as we like, but should never have to take it, for we are the righteous.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Dick Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72054</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 20:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You good Zionists must oppose a boycott of a country founded on endless terrorism, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. I assume all of you, to be consistent, opposed the boycott of apartheid South Africa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You good Zionists must oppose a boycott of a country founded on endless terrorism, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. I assume all of you, to be consistent, opposed the boycott of apartheid South Africa</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72047</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 19:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;thoughtful&lt;/i&gt; pro-boycott argument for you: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=6898&amp;sectionID=107&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Boycott Israel&lt;/a&gt;. Mr. Barghouti says:
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(D) Israeli academics are largely progressive and at the vanguard of the peace movement, and therefore they must be supported not boycotted.

This is simply a myth propagated and maintained by Israeli academics who count themselves in the “left.” The vast majority of Israeli academics serves in the army’s reserve forces, and therefore directly knows of and participates in the daily crimes. Moreover, with the exception of a tiny yet crucial minority, Israeli academics are largely supportive of their state’s oppression or are acquiescently silent about it.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
...and I suspect he&#039;s quite correct. Israeli academics that I personally know (quite a few, actually, mostly mathematicians) who still live there are as much right-wing Arabophobic bigots as any ultra-orthodox wingnut from Jerusalem. Sad but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s a <i>thoughtful</i> pro-boycott argument for you: <a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=6898&#038;sectionID=107" rel="nofollow">Why Boycott Israel</a>. Mr. Barghouti says:<br />
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(D) Israeli academics are largely progressive and at the vanguard of the peace movement, and therefore they must be supported not boycotted.</blockquote></p>

	<p>This is simply a myth propagated and maintained by Israeli academics who count themselves in the &#8220;left.&#8221; The vast majority of Israeli academics serves in the army&#8217;s reserve forces, and therefore directly knows of and participates in the daily crimes. Moreover, with the exception of a tiny yet crucial minority, Israeli academics are largely supportive of their state&#8217;s oppression or are acquiescently silent about it.<br />
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&#8230;and I suspect he&#8217;s quite correct. Israeli academics that I personally know (quite a few, actually, mostly mathematicians) who still live there are as much right-wing Arabophobic bigots as any ultra-orthodox wingnut from Jerusalem. Sad but true.</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72046</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 18:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... Michael B, you&#039;re able to figure out so many things about me from just an 8-word sentence from me. Who woulda thunk? Eh? Eh? :)

Oh wait, I see you use a lot of nice big words. Am I talking to a liberal elitist here? Or am I talking to a libertarian elitist here?

Or let me rephrase your words in words which Joe Schmoe can understand:

_Hey look! The Newsweek news is nothing compared to this! OMG! The APSA speaks out against the boycott! Look, it signals the start of an epic war along the scale of Ben Hur, LotR, RoTK, and Star Wars I-IV all combined! Flushing someone&#039;s holy book down the toilet bowl, how can it compare to APSA&#039;s epic announcement? The Quran? Pah! Rights of Muslims? Hrmph! Religious freedom? Snort!_

Hmm, maybe you&#039;re right. But I say, the biggest news item in the entire universe is this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://fzort.org/bi/soapbox-2005.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I just updated my blog, so go worship it now, you moron&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow&#8230; Michael B, you&#8217;re able to figure out so many things about me from just an 8-word sentence from me. Who woulda thunk? Eh? Eh? :)</p>

	<p>Oh wait, I see you use a lot of nice big words. Am I talking to a liberal elitist here? Or am I talking to a libertarian elitist here?</p>

	<p>Or let me rephrase your words in words which Joe Schmoe can understand:</p>

	<p><em>Hey look! The Newsweek news is nothing compared to this! <span class="caps">OMG</span>! The <span class="caps">APSA</span> speaks out against the boycott! Look, it signals the start of an epic war along the scale of Ben Hur, LotR, RoTK, and Star Wars I-IV all combined! Flushing someone&#8217;s holy book down the toilet bowl, how can it compare to <span class="caps">APSA</span>&#8217;s epic announcement? The Quran? Pah! Rights of Muslims? Hrmph! Religious freedom? Snort!</em></p>

	<p>Hmm, maybe you&#8217;re right. But I say, the biggest news item in the entire universe is this: <a href="http://fzort.org/bi/soapbox-2005.html" rel="nofollow">I just updated my blog, so go worship it now, you moron</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72042</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sufficiently respectful, thoughtful and individuated letters can be sent to APSA as well.  They tend to have much more efficacy than form letters or Emails, assuming they are both respectful and also cogently reflect both the broader social/political situation as well as the more specific boycott per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sufficiently respectful, thoughtful and individuated letters can be sent to <span class="caps">APSA</span> as well.  They tend to have much more efficacy than form letters or Emails, assuming they are both respectful and also cogently reflect both the broader social/political situation as well as the more specific boycott per se.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72040</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?j141789&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;petition &lt;/a&gt;is close to 4,500 signatures at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?j141789" rel="nofollow">petition </a>is close to 4,500 signatures at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: goesh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72037</link>
		<dc:creator>goesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the ASA can hawk some mugs and t-shirts in opposition to the boycott. They can walk it and drink from it rather than taking an actual position on the matter and making it official. Last I saw, Weintruab&#039;s petition had 600+ signatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe the <span class="caps">ASA</span> can hawk some mugs and t-shirts in opposition to the boycott. They can walk it and drink from it rather than taking an actual position on the matter and making it official. Last I saw, Weintruab&#8217;s petition had 600+ signatures.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72035</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 16:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bi,

Your own bull is pronounced, in addition to deriving from kneejerk, reactionary pieties and an overbearing quantity of self-satisfaction.

Too, it&#039;s particularly telling herein, precisely in terms of the highly fevered ideological religiosity so often in evidence, that this AUT post receives but seven replies (even fewer once the partisan sniping is subtracted) while a pious simplisticus, red-meat issue like the one invoked by the News-Tweak article receives over 150 replies.

Venom and malice, along with reductionist partisanship, come readily from this congregation of conformists and opportunists, while genuinely thoughtful and substantive commentary about a truly worthy issue, such as this AUT topic, comes sparingly at best.

Ergo: freedom to bull, indeed, and tellingly so.

Then again, it&#039;s not as if serious dialog, debate or exchanges in general are being sought in the first place.  When a highly fevered ideological religionist, in a pious congregation such as this, already possesses the truth, such niceties can either be finessed or can be dispensed out of hand, e.g., reduced to the ubiquitous, sweepingly dismissive - snarl and sneer.

Boo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bi,</p>

	<p>Your own bull is pronounced, in addition to deriving from kneejerk, reactionary pieties and an overbearing quantity of self-satisfaction.</p>

	<p>Too, it&#8217;s particularly telling herein, precisely in terms of the highly fevered ideological religiosity so often in evidence, that this <span class="caps">AUT</span> post receives but seven replies (even fewer once the partisan sniping is subtracted) while a pious simplisticus, red-meat issue like the one invoked by the News-Tweak article receives over 150 replies.</p>

	<p>Venom and malice, along with reductionist partisanship, come readily from this congregation of conformists and opportunists, while genuinely thoughtful and substantive commentary about a truly worthy issue, such as this <span class="caps">AUT</span> topic, comes sparingly at best.</p>

	<p>Ergo: freedom to bull, indeed, and tellingly so.</p>

	<p>Then again, it&#8217;s not as if serious dialog, debate or exchanges in general are being sought in the first place.  When a highly fevered ideological religionist, in a pious congregation such as this, already possesses the truth, such niceties can either be finessed or can be dispensed out of hand, e.g., reduced to the ubiquitous, sweepingly dismissive &#8211; snarl and sneer.</p>

	<p>Boo.</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/16/aut-boycott-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-72008</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 11:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, it&#039;s academic freedom, not freedom to bull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jerry, it&#8217;s academic freedom, not freedom to bull.</p>
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