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	<title>Comments on: A Feast for Crows is finally on the menu!</title>
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		<title>By: erg</title>
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		<dc:creator>erg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think GRRM is pulling a Jordan. For one, his stories are a lot more interesting. Also, if he had been money grubbing, he would have published book after book where nothing happens in the last 5 years. Unlike Jordan, GRRM is keeping the pace moving. Remember the Red Wedding in the last book ? 

The one part of the book that is slowed down is the part dealing with Dani. But that is probably needed anyway since Dani can&#039;t return to Westeros until the right time. 




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think <span class="caps">GRRM</span> is pulling a Jordan. For one, his stories are a lot more interesting. Also, if he had been money grubbing, he would have published book after book where nothing happens in the last 5 years. Unlike Jordan, <span class="caps">GRRM</span> is keeping the pace moving. Remember the Red Wedding in the last book ?</p>

	<p>The one part of the book that is slowed down is the part dealing with Dani. But that is probably needed anyway since Dani can&#8217;t return to Westeros until the right time.</p>
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		<title>By: asg</title>
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		<dc:creator>asg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Joffrey and Viserys are both sadistic homocidal maniacs (they aren’t even full fledged characters really. Not human, as it were)&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Joffrey is no TRUE Scotsman!&quot;

I agree that all the major characters in ASOIAF are flawed (although: has Jon Snow done anything really terrible and/or caused any real suffering in the books yet?  I confess I didn&#039;t read his chapters as closely as I read some of the other characters&#039;).  I just reject the idea that there are no &quot;good guys&quot; (Eddard is clearly a good guy, regardless of the costs of his naivete) and &quot;bad guys&quot; in GRRM&#039;s books.  They&#039;re certainly more nuanced and interesting than the standard heroic fantasy tropes, but they&#039;re still identifiable as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Joffrey and Viserys are both sadistic homocidal maniacs (they aren&#8217;t even full fledged characters really. Not human, as it were)</i></p>

	<p>&#8220;Joffrey is no <span class="caps">TRUE </span>Scotsman!&#8221;</p>

	<p>I agree that all the major characters in <span class="caps">ASOIAF</span> are flawed (although: has Jon Snow done anything really terrible and/or caused any real suffering in the books yet?  I confess I didn&#8217;t read his chapters as closely as I read some of the other characters&#8217;).  I just reject the idea that there are no &#8220;good guys&#8221; (Eddard is clearly a good guy, regardless of the costs of his naivete) and &#8220;bad guys&#8221; in <span class="caps">GRRM</span>&#8217;s books.  They&#8217;re certainly more nuanced and interesting than the standard heroic fantasy tropes, but they&#8217;re still identifiable as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Ser Alrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ser Alrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 06:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s OUT it&#039;s OUT it&#039;s OUT!!!

Joy joy joy, and please stop bickering about the cut in half thing. I personally believed that Mr Martin would suffer a heart attack or something else (die of old age) before he finished the book - I honestly didn&#039;t expect it this year (and I have been waiting and reading and waiting since 1997 and busying myself meanwhile with the trading card game and the boardgame (this one&#039;s awesome!))
Anyone knows if Spectra&#039;s planning an Hardcover? I have all the others in Bantam/ Spectra but so far only Voyager offers a Hardcover edition - I&#039;ll buy the first one anyway.

Let us all wish Lord George Martin nimble hands and good health!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s <span class="caps">OUT</span> it&#8217;s <span class="caps">OUT</span> it&#8217;s <span class="caps">OUT</span><img src="!" alt="" border="0" /></p>

	<p>Joy joy joy, and please stop bickering about the cut in half thing. I personally believed that Mr Martin would suffer a heart attack or something else (die of old age) before he finished the book &#8211; I honestly didn&#8217;t expect it this year (and I have been waiting and reading and waiting since 1997 and busying myself meanwhile with the trading card game and the boardgame (this one&#8217;s awesome!))<br />
Anyone knows if Spectra&#8217;s planning an Hardcover? I have all the others in Bantam/ Spectra but so far only Voyager offers a Hardcover edition &#8211; I&#8217;ll buy the first one anyway.</p>

	<p>Let us all wish Lord George Martin nimble hands and good health!</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roman Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Until someone describes some redeeming characteristics of Joffrey, or the slaver kings in Yunkai and Astapor, or Viserys, or Euron Crow’s Eye, etc etc etc., I refuse to accept the oft-advanced view that GRRM’s books contain only shades of gray.&lt;/em&gt;

Joffrey and Viserys are both sadistic homocidal maniacs (they aren&#039;t even full fledged characters really. Not human, as it were), and the slaughter of the slavers was not shown as an overwhelmingly good thing. I don&#039;t think anyone ever said that there are only shades of grey, but it&#039;s obvious that the gap between the &quot;good&quot; and the saner &quot;bad&quot; characters is almost nonexistant. For example, even though Eddard is the most moral of all the characters, he is responsible for a lot of death and suffering, just because he clings to his morals above all else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Until someone describes some redeeming characteristics of Joffrey, or the slaver kings in Yunkai and Astapor, or Viserys, or Euron Crow&#8217;s Eye, etc etc etc., I refuse to accept the oft-advanced view that <span class="caps">GRRM</span>&#8217;s books contain only shades of gray.</em></p>

	<p>Joffrey and Viserys are both sadistic homocidal maniacs (they aren&#8217;t even full fledged characters really. Not human, as it were), and the slaughter of the slavers was not shown as an overwhelmingly good thing. I don&#8217;t think anyone ever said that there are only shades of grey, but it&#8217;s obvious that the gap between the &#8220;good&#8221; and the saner &#8220;bad&#8221; characters is almost nonexistant. For example, even though Eddard is the most moral of all the characters, he is responsible for a lot of death and suffering, just because he clings to his morals above all else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ser Paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ser Paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this site. Its a set of chapter summaries. Probably not as short as you&#039;re looking for, but a handy reference none the less.
http://members.aol.com/vbkorik27/main.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Try this site. Its a set of chapter summaries. Probably not as short as you&#8217;re looking for, but a handy reference none the less.<br />
<a href="http://members.aol.com/vbkorik27/main.html" rel="nofollow">http://members.aol.com/vbkorik27/main.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know of any good online summaries of the books so far?  Every time a new entry in the series comes out, I have to reread the entire set to remember who is doing what and where everyone is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Does anyone know of any good online summaries of the books so far?  Every time a new entry in the series comes out, I have to reread the entire set to remember who is doing what and where everyone is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: asg</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/30/a-feast-for-crows-is-finally-on-the-menu-3/comment-page-1/#comment-73332</link>
		<dc:creator>asg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 14:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;some bad guy/good guy thing which he has until now completely refused to countenance.&lt;/i&gt;

Until someone describes some redeeming characteristics of Joffrey, or the slaver kings in Yunkai and Astapor, or Viserys, or Euron Crow&#039;s Eye, etc etc etc., I refuse to accept the oft-advanced view that GRRM&#039;s books contain only shades of gray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>some bad guy/good guy thing which he has until now completely refused to countenance.</i></p>

	<p>Until someone describes some redeeming characteristics of Joffrey, or the slaver kings in Yunkai and Astapor, or Viserys, or Euron Crow&#8217;s Eye, etc etc etc., I refuse to accept the oft-advanced view that <span class="caps">GRRM</span>&#8217;s books contain only shades of gray.</p>
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		<title>By: Ser Paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ser Paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as he has gotten us this far in such good condition, I&#039;m just going to have to accept that GRRM, being the storyteller, is the best person to make this call. Sure its disappointing not having Tyrion/Jon/, but I am consoled by the thought that the next book shouldn&#039;t be too far off.
Fingers crossed for A Dance with Dragons in 2006 :)

At the same time, I&#039;ve only been waiting for this book for under two months. The ire of those people  who have been waiting the five years since the last book was published may be understandable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seeing as he has gotten us this far in such good condition, I&#8217;m just going to have to accept that <span class="caps">GRRM</span>, being the storyteller, is the best person to make this call. Sure its disappointing not having Tyrion/Jon/, but I am consoled by the thought that the next book shouldn&#8217;t be too far off.<br />
Fingers crossed for A Dance with Dragons in 2006 :)</p>

	<p>At the same time, I&#8217;ve only been waiting for this book for under two months. The ire of those people  who have been waiting the five years since the last book was published may be understandable!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 10:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had not thought that addictive narratives had undone so many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I had not thought that addictive narratives had undone so many.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 08:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t look like we&#039;ll be waiting five years for book five. That should be out next year. But books six and seven? Look on the bright side - we&#039;ll all be retired by then, and will have plenty of time to read. 
I&#039;ve never read the Jordan books - as far as I&#039;m concerned they&#039;d be crap even if there were only three of them - but the complaint I hear about them is that the action has slowed to a crawl and the books are being extended for no reason. ASOIAF seems to be more like the Harry Potter books, as the series progressed the author tries to fit more and more in, so the books just keep growing, but they&#039;re still full of incident and the overall plot remains the same. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It doesn&#8217;t look like we&#8217;ll be waiting five years for book five. That should be out next year. But books six and seven? Look on the bright side &#8211; we&#8217;ll all be retired by then, and will have plenty of time to read.<br />
I&#8217;ve never read the Jordan books &#8211; as far as I&#8217;m concerned they&#8217;d be crap even if there were only three of them &#8211; but the complaint I hear about them is that the action has slowed to a crawl and the books are being extended for no reason. <span class="caps">ASOIAF</span> seems to be more like the Harry Potter books, as the series progressed the author tries to fit more and more in, so the books just keep growing, but they&#8217;re still full of incident and the overall plot remains the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 07:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liadnan - last I remember, Tyrion was heading east over the sea. Erm, sorry Timothy. Martin has actually said there will now be 7 books (and that&#039;s not counting this next one being cut in two).  

True, Tyrion&#039;s by far the most interesting and fun character, and the most aware of what goes on around him. But you have to look at the bright side of things - readers will have all the fun of figuring out for themselves things that Tyrion would observe by the by.

Plus, I think Jaime is growing a brain (and a conscience) and Sansa may be about to discover her inner hussy.  Yes, the coolest characters are reserved for part two, but still.  Or maybe you&#039;d all feel differently if you fancied Jon Snow. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Liadnan &#8211; last I remember, Tyrion was heading east over the sea. Erm, sorry Timothy. Martin has actually said there will now be 7 books (and that&#8217;s not counting this next one being cut in two).</p>

	<p>True, Tyrion&#8217;s by far the most interesting and fun character, and the most aware of what goes on around him. But you have to look at the bright side of things &#8211; readers will have all the fun of figuring out for themselves things that Tyrion would observe by the by.</p>

	<p>Plus, I think Jaime is growing a brain (and a conscience) and Sansa may be about to discover her inner hussy.  Yes, the coolest characters are reserved for part two, but still.  Or maybe you&#8217;d all feel differently if you fancied Jon Snow.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Yee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 04:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaarrrggh.

I started A Song of Ice and Fire just after volume two was published, and I figured on a nice trilogy without too long a wait for the third volume.

Then a) the series was extened to a sexology b) Martin decided to change his production schedule to a book every five years.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Aaarrrggh.</p>

	<p>I started A Song of Ice and Fire just after volume two was published, and I figured on a nice trilogy without too long a wait for the third volume.</p>

	<p>Then a) the series was extened to a sexology b) Martin decided to change his production schedule to a book every five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 03:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Tim and Brad here - Tyrion is what makes the books for me. Martin&#039;s now talking about 7 books on his website. This decision has the stench of a publisher-imposed guillotine all over it. Still going to get it on pre-order though, of course, (and warn my loved ones not to even think of disturbing me for several days). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>With Tim and Brad here &#8211; Tyrion is what makes the books for me. Martin&#8217;s now talking about 7 books on his website. This decision has the stench of a publisher-imposed guillotine all over it. Still going to get it on pre-order though, of course, (and warn my loved ones not to even think of disturbing me for several days).</p>
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		<title>By: Oberon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oberon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, since book 5 is 3/4 done already, I will be extremely disappointed if we have to wait another 5 years between books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, since book 5 is 3/4 done already, I will be extremely disappointed if we have to wait another 5 years between books.</p>
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		<title>By: Oberon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oberon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto what mr. burke wrote.</description>
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