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		<title>By: Brock</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/choose-the-greatest-philosopher-of-all-time/comment-page-2/#comment-74681</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, no Gottlob Frege?

Since he wasn&#039;t on the list, I voted for the Scotsman. I was kind of torn between him and the Konigsberger.

I&#039;ve always thought the Greeks were a bit overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What, no Gottlob Frege?</p>

	<p>Since he wasn&#8217;t on the list, I voted for the Scotsman. I was kind of torn between him and the Konigsberger.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve always thought the Greeks were a bit overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Keegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For comedic philosophy, one need look no further than David Stove ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For comedic philosophy, one need look no further than David Stove &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ACR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/choose-the-greatest-philosopher-of-all-time/comment-page-2/#comment-74652</link>
		<dc:creator>ACR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, this might have been said, but I still want to say it myself. 

No Hegel, but &lt;i&gt;Heidegger&lt;/i&gt;.
No Frege, but Russell.
No Adi Shankara (or even a single non-european), but &lt;i&gt;Epicurus&lt;/i&gt;
No LEIBNIZ, but &lt;i&gt;Schopenhauer&lt;/i&gt; (!)

What a dumb poll.

I&#039;m voting for Barney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ok, this might have been said, but I still want to say it myself.</p>

	<p>No Hegel, but <i>Heidegger</i>.<br />
No Frege, but Russell.<br />
No Adi Shankara (or even a single non-european), but <i>Epicurus</i><br />
No <span class="caps">LEIBNIZ</span>, but <i>Schopenhauer</i> (!)</p>

	<p>What a dumb poll.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m voting for Barney.</p>
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		<title>By: Delmore Macnamara</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/choose-the-greatest-philosopher-of-all-time/comment-page-2/#comment-74651</link>
		<dc:creator>Delmore Macnamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would be interested in knowing which several contemporary philosophers would be competing to be named the greatest philosopher of all time.&quot;

Dummetf for &quot;anti-realism&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I would be interested in knowing which several contemporary philosophers would be competing to be named the greatest philosopher of all time.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Dummetf for &#8220;anti-realism&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: hilzoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hilzoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kant, obviously.

He has jokes too; just not good ones.

(Kierkegaard is really funny, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kant, obviously.</p>

	<p>He has jokes too; just not good ones.</p>

	<p>(Kierkegaard is really funny, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested in knowing which several contemporary philosophers would be competing to be named the greatest philosopher of all time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would be interested in knowing which several contemporary philosophers would be competing to be named the greatest philosopher of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Johnson&#039;s putdown then:

&quot;Prof. Ayer, your manuscript is both good and original. But the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s Johnson&#8217;s putdown then:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Prof. Ayer, your manuscript is both good and original. But the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there are plenty of jokes in Marx I thought. These days my friends get criticised for putting too many jokes in the papers, so in any case it&#039;s nice to see demand for comedic philosophy is rising. (It would be nicer if we were succeeding in raising the supply as well.)

Out of this list I&#039;d vote for Hume, largely for the reasons Harry mentioned. I like a point Blackburn made about Ayer, one that applies to a lot of empiricists. A lot of the points Ayer made are things you get in Hume as well, and those have stood up well over time. And a lot of the points in Ayer were (relatively) new, and they haven&#039;t stood up so well.

Though if we had some more contemporary options I&#039;d probably vote for one of them instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And there are plenty of jokes in Marx I thought. These days my friends get criticised for putting too many jokes in the papers, so in any case it&#8217;s nice to see demand for comedic philosophy is rising. (It would be nicer if we were succeeding in raising the supply as well.)</p>

	<p>Out of this list I&#8217;d vote for Hume, largely for the reasons Harry mentioned. I like a point Blackburn made about Ayer, one that applies to a lot of empiricists. A lot of the points Ayer made are things you get in Hume as well, and those have stood up well over time. And a lot of the points in Ayer were (relatively) new, and they haven&#8217;t stood up so well.</p>

	<p>Though if we had some more contemporary options I&#8217;d probably vote for one of them instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McGrattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McGrattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you would find fewer than a dozen jokes, ten of them in Schopenhauer.

There&#039;s passages in Hume that raise a chuckle too. 

&quot;Celibacy, fasting, penance, mortification, self-denial, humility, silence, solitude, and the whole train of monkish virtues; for what reason are they every where rejected by men of sense... A gloomy, hair-brained enthusiast, after his death, may have a place in the calendar; but will scarcely ever be admitted, when alive, into intimacy and society, except by those who are as delirious and dismal as himself.&quot;

Makes me laugh, anyway.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>you would find fewer than a dozen jokes, ten of them in Schopenhauer.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s passages in Hume that raise a chuckle too.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Celibacy, fasting, penance, mortification, self-denial, humility, silence, solitude, and the whole train of monkish virtues; for what reason are they every where rejected by men of sense&#8230; A gloomy, hair-brained enthusiast, after his death, may have a place in the calendar; but will scarcely ever be admitted, when alive, into intimacy and society, except by those who are as delirious and dismal as himself.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Makes me laugh, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: radek</title>
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		<dc:creator>radek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this captures the appropriate criteria by which them fellows oughta be judged (can&#039;t believe no one mentioned this yet):

http://www.phil.muni.cz/fil/studenti/philosophers_song.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think this captures the appropriate criteria by which them fellows oughta be judged (can&#8217;t believe no one mentioned this yet):</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.phil.muni.cz/fil/studenti/philosophers_song.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phil.muni.cz/fil/studenti/philosophers_song.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: gnat</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t have believed that In Our Time&#039;s PR wheeze would succeed so brilliantly. How many browser and column inches are they reaping from this, and how much would that have cost to buy? Fair play to &#039;em, I say. BBC Radio&#039;s IOT (oh alright, and the sportsy Fighting Talk) broke me to PodCasting. The commute is a lot easier with an IOT in one&#039;s headphones.

Oh, and Firstest with the Mostest, surely - Plato.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have believed that In Our Time&#8217;s PR wheeze would succeed so brilliantly. How many browser and column inches are they reaping from this, and how much would that have cost to buy? Fair play to &#8216;em, I say. <span class="caps">BBC </span>Radio&#8217;s <span class="caps">IOT </span>(oh alright, and the sportsy Fighting Talk) broke me to PodCasting. The commute is a lot easier with an <span class="caps">IOT</span> in one&#8217;s headphones.</p>

	<p>Oh, and Firstest with the Mostest, surely &#8211; Plato.</p>
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		<title>By: Delmore Macnamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delmore Macnamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inclusion of Wittgenstein and Russell seems inconsistent with the omission of Frege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The inclusion of Wittgenstein and Russell seems inconsistent with the omission of Frege.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Kiernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cheated and voted twice.  (Once from my work IP address and once from my home IP address - what a clever cheat am I.)  And I was &lt;i&gt;doubly&lt;/i&gt; selfish, I didn&#039;t vote for &quot;greatest&quot; as viewed from Olympus; I defined &quot;greatness&quot; as &quot;who did the most for &lt;i&gt;me.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  

Because I work for a living, of the twenty candidates maybe a third are open, active enemies, almost all the rest were loftily indifferent to my low crummy sort.  From work I voted for the one and only positive advocate I&#039;ve got on the ballot, Uncle Karl.  At home I live my home life, such as it is.  Natch, from there I could not vote for anyone else but my man Arthur, &lt;i&gt;Socî malorum, compagnon de miseres,&lt;/i&gt; who writes:

&lt;i&gt;...If now, from the standpoint of this last consideration, we contemplate the turmoil of life, we behold all occupied with its want and misery, straining all their powers to satisfy its infinite needs and to ward off its multifarious sorrows, yet without daring to hope anything else than simply the preservation of this tormented existence for a short span of time. In between, however, in the midst of the tumult, we see the glances of two lovers meet longingly; yet why so secretly, fearfully, and stealthily? Because the lovers are the traitors who seek to perpetuate the whole want and drudgery, which would otherwise speedily reach an end; this they wish to frustrate, as others like them have frustrated it before.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I cheated and voted twice.  (Once from my work IP address and once from my home IP address &#8211; what a clever cheat am I.)  And I was <i>doubly</i> selfish, I didn&#8217;t vote for &#8220;greatest&#8221; as viewed from Olympus; I defined &#8220;greatness&#8221; as &#8220;who did the most for <i>me.</i>&#8221;</p>

	<p>Because I work for a living, of the twenty candidates maybe a third are open, active enemies, almost all the rest were loftily indifferent to my low crummy sort.  From work I voted for the one and only positive advocate I&#8217;ve got on the ballot, Uncle Karl.  At home I live my home life, such as it is.  Natch, from there I could not vote for anyone else but my man Arthur, <i>Soc&#238; malorum, compagnon de miseres,</i> who writes:</p>

	<p><i>&#8230;If now, from the standpoint of this last consideration, we contemplate the turmoil of life, we behold all occupied with its want and misery, straining all their powers to satisfy its infinite needs and to ward off its multifarious sorrows, yet without daring to hope anything else than simply the preservation of this tormented existence for a short span of time. In between, however, in the midst of the tumult, we see the glances of two lovers meet longingly; yet why so secretly, fearfully, and stealthily? Because the lovers are the traitors who seek to perpetuate the whole want and drudgery, which would otherwise speedily reach an end; this they wish to frustrate, as others like them have frustrated it before.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; you would find fewer than a dozen jokes, ten of them in Schopenhauer.&lt;/i&gt;

Not so! There&#039;s lots in _Leviathan_ for a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> you would find fewer than a dozen jokes, ten of them in Schopenhauer.</i></p>

	<p>Not so! There&#8217;s lots in <em>Leviathan</em> for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: des von bladet</title>
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		<dc:creator>des von bladet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks in for the absent Leibniz, I suppose?

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://modrzew.stopklatka.pl/intermecz.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Germans playing 4-2-4&lt;/a&gt;, Leibniz in goal, back four Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer and Schelling, front-runners Schlegel, Wittgenstein, Nietzsche and Heidegger, and the mid-field duo of Beckenbauer and Jaspers. Beckenbauer obviously a bit of a surprise there. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I still think they&#039;re going to suffer without Hegel in central defence, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Banks in for the absent Leibniz, I suppose?</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
<a href="http://modrzew.stopklatka.pl/intermecz.html" rel="nofollow">The Germans playing 4-2-4</a>, Leibniz in goal, back four Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer and Schelling, front-runners Schlegel, Wittgenstein, Nietzsche and Heidegger, and the mid-field duo of Beckenbauer and Jaspers. Beckenbauer obviously a bit of a surprise there.<br />
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	<p>I still think they&#8217;re going to suffer without Hegel in central defence, though.</p>
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