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		<title>By: Jayanne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/no-need-for-neologism/comment-page-1/#comment-74633</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pie Wars is catchy and accidentally appropriate (its&#039;s actually about the inalienable right of men to say titties then howl when someone demurs...)

http://www.dailykos.com/main/4

and see 

http://www.dailykos.com/

I can&#039;t think of a real sniglet (&quot;sniglet&quot;?) but if you accept Adam&#039;s suggestion, there&#039;s always &quot;feminist blogger X&quot;.  (Sorry, Adam.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pie Wars is catchy and accidentally appropriate (its&#8217;s actually about the inalienable right of men to say titties then howl when someone demurs&#8230;)</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/main/4" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/main/4</a></p>

	<p>and see</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/</a></p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t think of a real sniglet (&#8220;sniglet&#8221;?) but if you accept Adam&#8217;s suggestion, there&#8217;s always &#8220;feminist blogger X&#8221;.  (Sorry, Adam.)</p>
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		<title>By: Orin Kerr</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/no-need-for-neologism/comment-page-1/#comment-74605</link>
		<dc:creator>Orin Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking for a catchy word that captured both the very specific topic and the particular ways in which the topic tends to be discussed on blogs  -- and preferably a word that did so in an amusing way. I used to enjoy Rich Hall&#039;s &quot;Sniglets&quot; sketches on HBO&#039;s &quot;Not Necessarily the News&quot; show back in the 1980s, and I suppose I was hoping to find a sniglet for this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was looking for a catchy word that captured both the very specific topic and the particular ways in which the topic tends to be discussed on blogs &#8212;and preferably a word that did so in an amusing way. I used to enjoy Rich Hall&#8217;s &#8220;Sniglets&#8221; sketches on <span class="caps">HBO</span>&#8217;s &#8220;Not Necessarily the News&#8221; show back in the 1980s, and I suppose I was hoping to find a sniglet for this.</p>
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		<title>By: adam j. sontag</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/no-need-for-neologism/comment-page-1/#comment-74603</link>
		<dc:creator>adam j. sontag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a legal mind...but when i read the post, my only understanding was that he wanted a name for discussions of the subject, not a name for the subject.  Kind of like there&#039;s blawgs, warblogging, liveblogging, etc...he just wants a verb he can use to say &quot;Smarbleyblogger X posts about the gender/political/racial breakown of the blogosphere.&quot;  For intsance, &quot;Smarbleyblogger X cottonpabublargs about Michelle Malkin.&quot;

--adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am not a legal mind&#8230;but when i read the post, my only understanding was that he wanted a name for discussions of the subject, not a name for the subject.  Kind of like there&#8217;s blawgs, warblogging, liveblogging, etc&#8230;he just wants a verb he can use to say &#8220;Smarbleyblogger X posts about the gender/political/racial breakown of the blogosphere.&#8221;  For intsance, &#8220;Smarbleyblogger X cottonpabublargs about Michelle Malkin.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;adam</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/no-need-for-neologism/comment-page-1/#comment-74581</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posted by Eugene Volokh:

&quot;Orin is a pretty smart guy, and I’m pretty sure he’s heard of sociology and demographics. I assume that he thought that both were too broad to be used as names for this particular subtopic.&quot;

Criticisms were probably more about Orin being unwilling to use the words, sociology and demographics.  Snarking at what people perceived as &#039;too cybercool for school&#039;.  At least, that&#039;s what mine was.

&quot;If you heard someone say “There’s a thread about the sociology of the blogosphere,” would you understand that to mean “There’s a thread discussing the blogosphere’s gender/political/racial breakdown”? I doubt it.&quot;

I&#039;d expect it to be much more than that, possibly unuseably so, but if there wasn&#039;t that information (or they couldn&#039;t tell you where to find it), then I&#039;d be surprised.  And I&#039;d figure that it wasn&#039;t people who are actually interested in sociology or demographics contributing to the thread.

&quot; If you heard someone say “There’s a thread about the demographics of the blogosphere,” you might suspect that it’s about gender, politics, and race—rather than about the many other things that demographics measures, such as income, profession, age, and more—but it wouldn’t be clear.&quot;

Same as for sociology.

&quot;I would guess that Orin is looking for a term that would make it clear. Neither “sociology” nor “demographics” would qualify, which I take it is why Orin wanted something narrower.

I&#039;m not sure that there&#039;s anything in common use which is that absolutely clear and precise, except for the phrase &#039;gender/political/racial breakdown of the blogosphere&#039;.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Posted by Eugene Volokh:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Orin is a pretty smart guy, and I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s heard of sociology and demographics. I assume that he thought that both were too broad to be used as names for this particular subtopic.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Criticisms were probably more about Orin being unwilling to use the words, sociology and demographics.  Snarking at what people perceived as &#8216;too cybercool for school&#8217;.  At least, that&#8217;s what mine was.</p>

	<p>&#8220;If you heard someone say &#8220;There&#8217;s a thread about the sociology of the blogosphere,&#8221; would you understand that to mean &#8220;There&#8217;s a thread discussing the blogosphere&#8217;s gender/political/racial breakdown&#8221;? I doubt it.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d expect it to be much more than that, possibly unuseably so, but if there wasn&#8217;t that information (or they couldn&#8217;t tell you where to find it), then I&#8217;d be surprised.  And I&#8217;d figure that it wasn&#8217;t people who are actually interested in sociology or demographics contributing to the thread.</p>

	<p>&#8221; If you heard someone say &#8220;There&#8217;s a thread about the demographics of the blogosphere,&#8221; you might suspect that it&#8217;s about gender, politics, and race&#8212;rather than about the many other things that demographics measures, such as income, profession, age, and more&#8212;but it wouldn&#8217;t be clear.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Same as for sociology.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I would guess that Orin is looking for a term that would make it clear. Neither &#8220;sociology&#8221; nor &#8220;demographics&#8221; would qualify, which I take it is why Orin wanted something narrower.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not sure that there&#8217;s anything in common use which is that absolutely clear and precise, except for the phrase &#8216;gender/political/racial breakdown of the blogosphere&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roughly, I think of amateur soc as connoting the effort to come up with some self-consciously sociological explanation for something, by people who are not sociologists. So that&#039;s usually done by people in other academic fields or by journalists or whatever. Personally, I don&#039;t make strong claims that amateur soc is always bad, though its true (and regrettable) that &quot;amateur&quot; might suggest that, and that efforts to assert the value of some discipline or other are often tied up with policing the boundaries to keep the amateurs out (and down). 

Meanwhile, I think of folk sociology as being the kind of informal explaining/theorizing about social life that people do all the time. It&#039;s not intended to be systematic, but it is pervasive. (These days it&#039;s also not insulated from disciplinary work, either: lots of folk explanations are now based on concepts from the social sciences that were once new but got reabsorbed into the culture -- like meritocracy, say,  or peer group, or social class.) Personally, I wouldn&#039;t attach any contemptuous overtones to it, either, though of course it&#039;s true that a lot of work in the sciences (of all kinds) emerges as a more systematic effort to see whether the folk account is right. And often it&#039;s the results that refute folk explanations that are foundational for disciplinary identities. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Roughly, I think of amateur soc as connoting the effort to come up with some self-consciously sociological explanation for something, by people who are not sociologists. So that&#8217;s usually done by people in other academic fields or by journalists or whatever. Personally, I don&#8217;t make strong claims that amateur soc is always bad, though its true (and regrettable) that &#8220;amateur&#8221; might suggest that, and that efforts to assert the value of some discipline or other are often tied up with policing the boundaries to keep the amateurs out (and down).</p>

	<p>Meanwhile, I think of folk sociology as being the kind of informal explaining/theorizing about social life that people do all the time. It&#8217;s not intended to be systematic, but it is pervasive. (These days it&#8217;s also not insulated from disciplinary work, either: lots of folk explanations are now based on concepts from the social sciences that were once new but got reabsorbed into the culture&#8212;like meritocracy, say,  or peer group, or social class.) Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t attach any contemptuous overtones to it, either, though of course it&#8217;s true that a lot of work in the sciences (of all kinds) emerges as a more systematic effort to see whether the folk account is right. And often it&#8217;s the results that refute folk explanations that are foundational for disciplinary identities.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; amateur or folk sociology

I always enjoy the whole &quot;folk&quot; label.  What exactly is &quot;folk&quot; anything, and how is it so designated?  In this context I assume that &quot;folk&quot; means &quot;any study done by anyone without a PhD&quot;, but since the vast majority of humankind&#039;s study and progress (if you are willing to cause it that) has been done by people without PhDs, how exactly did it acquire the contemptious overtones?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>> amateur or folk sociology</p>

	<p>I always enjoy the whole &#8220;folk&#8221; label.  What exactly is &#8220;folk&#8221; anything, and how is it so designated?  In this context I assume that &#8220;folk&#8221; means &#8220;any study done by anyone without a PhD&#8221;, but since the vast majority of humankind&#8217;s study and progress (if you are willing to cause it that) has been done by people without PhDs, how exactly did it acquire the contemptious overtones?</p>

	<p>Cranky</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So who else had noticed the reverse tinkerbell thing?&lt;/i&gt;

Robert K. Merton, in a 1948 article called &quot;The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>So who else had noticed the reverse tinkerbell thing?</i></p>

	<p>Robert K. Merton, in a 1948 article called &#8220;The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/no-need-for-neologism/comment-page-1/#comment-74419</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mostly Harmless Propagandish Debates</description>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, libertarians and right-wingers just hate sociology.  It might lead to Evul Librulizm. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nah, libertarians and right-wingers just hate sociology.  It might lead to Evul Librulizm.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/07/no-need-for-neologism/comment-page-1/#comment-74408</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standard English has no cybercoolness points.

Welcome to the Long Tail of Emergent Democracy BloggerSphere as Wikified Smart Mobs.

But I&#039;m just a Z-lister.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Standard English has no cybercoolness points.</p>

	<p>Welcome to the Long Tail of Emergent Democracy BloggerSphere as Wikified Smart Mobs.</p>

	<p>But I&#8217;m just a Z-lister.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Volokh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Volokh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orin is a pretty smart guy, and I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;s heard of sociology and demographics.  I assume that he thought that both were too broad to be used as names for this particular subtopic.

If you heard someone say &quot;There&#039;s a thread about the sociology of the blogosphere,&quot; would you understand that to mean &quot;There&#039;s a thread discussing the blogosphere’s gender/political/racial breakdown&quot;?  I doubt it.  If you heard someone say &quot;There&#039;s a thread about the demographics of the blogosphere,&quot; you might suspect that it&#039;s about gender, politics, and race -- rather than about the many other things that demographics measures, such as income, profession, age, and more -- but it wouldn&#039;t be clear.  I would guess that Orin is looking for a term that &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; make it clear.  Neither &quot;sociology&quot; nor &quot;demographics&quot; would qualify, which I take it is why Orin wanted something narrower.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Orin is a pretty smart guy, and I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s heard of sociology and demographics.  I assume that he thought that both were too broad to be used as names for this particular subtopic.</p>

	<p>If you heard someone say &#8220;There&#8217;s a thread about the sociology of the blogosphere,&#8221; would you understand that to mean &#8220;There&#8217;s a thread discussing the blogosphere&#8217;s gender/political/racial breakdown&#8221;?  I doubt it.  If you heard someone say &#8220;There&#8217;s a thread about the demographics of the blogosphere,&#8221; you might suspect that it&#8217;s about gender, politics, and race&#8212;rather than about the many other things that demographics measures, such as income, profession, age, and more&#8212;but it wouldn&#8217;t be clear.  I would guess that Orin is looking for a term that <i>would</i> make it clear.  Neither &#8220;sociology&#8221; nor &#8220;demographics&#8221; would qualify, which I take it is why Orin wanted something narrower.</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
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		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can Orin Kerr spell &quot;de-mo-gra-phics&quot;? Jeez.

I need a term for &lt;a href=&quot;http://fzort.org/bi/soapbox-2004.html#20040903&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the obnoxious practice of &quot;raising awareness&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Can Orin Kerr spell &#8220;de-mo-gra-phics&#8221;? Jeez.</p>

	<p>I need a term for <a href="http://fzort.org/bi/soapbox-2004.html#20040903" rel="nofollow">the obnoxious practice of &#8220;raising awareness&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: detached observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>detached observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who else had noticed the reverse tinkerbell thing?</description>
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		<title>By: lakelobos</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakelobos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me paraphrase this, nothinh short of, amazing quote: &quot;we have to find a name for something that some people talk about most of the something time.&quot;

Here it is: something</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let me paraphrase this, nothinh short of, amazing quote: &#8220;we have to find a name for something that some people talk about most of the something time.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Here it is: something</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Perhaps Kerr could take a word from his buddy James Taranto and refer to such discussions as a &lt;em&gt;kerfuffle&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Agreed.  Perhaps Kerr could take a word from his buddy James Taranto and refer to such discussions as a <em>kerfuffle</em>.</p>
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