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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75094</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter bigmacattack: The satire was both accurate and funny, but I&#039;m still going to find a way to turn it into an opportunity to condemn The Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Shorter bigmacattack: The satire was both accurate and funny, but I&#8217;m still going to find a way to turn it into an opportunity to condemn The Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75053</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They didn’t think that there was a probability of 79% or 90% that Iraq had WMD.
They knew he did. &quot;

Is there a philosopher in the house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;They didn&#8217;t think that there was a probability of 79% or 90% that Iraq had <span class="caps">WMD</span>.<br />
They knew he did. &#8221;</p>

	<p>Is there a philosopher in the house?</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75029</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe powerwhine could tell us all about how Gawd made all de purty flowers again?  That was so sweet!  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe powerwhine could tell us all about how Gawd made all de purty flowers again?  That was so sweet!<br />
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75027</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jet&#039;s and BigMacAttack&#039;s remarks only serve to strengthen our original point, which is that they suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>jet&#8217;s and BigMacAttack&#8217;s remarks only serve to strengthen our original point, which is that they suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75025</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the links, Ted--both pieces were brilliant. And the resulting comments thread on Publius&#039; site is, in some ways, even funnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Many thanks for the links, Ted&#8212;both pieces were brilliant. And the resulting comments thread on Publius&#8217; site is, in some ways, even funnier.</p>
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		<title>By: BigMacAttack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75022</link>
		<dc:creator>BigMacAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

Close but not quite.

They didn&#039;t think that there was a probability of 79% or 90% that Iraq had WMD.  

They knew he did.  This was an accepted fact.  They were 100% sure.

Considering the lack of supporting details, the need to fix the facts to the case, they shouldn&#039;t have accepted the existence of WMD as known fact. 

But they did.  The memo&#039;s banal asides make that quite clear.  

And so the leading ha ha in the satire is an accurate observation.

I doubt very much that this Hinderaker fellow much cares that Bush at best grossly exaggerated the threat and at worst out right fabricated evidence.  I don&#039;t doubt that he just toes the line.

So in that context the satire is pretty funny.

But it is also kind of funny that the lead blurb in the satire is an accurate observation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ray,</p>

	<p>Close but not quite.</p>

	<p>They didn&#8217;t think that there was a probability of 79% or 90% that Iraq had <span class="caps">WMD</span>.</p>

	<p>They knew he did.  This was an accepted fact.  They were 100% sure.</p>

	<p>Considering the lack of supporting details, the need to fix the facts to the case, they shouldn&#8217;t have accepted the existence of <span class="caps">WMD</span> as known fact.</p>

	<p>But they did.  The memo&#8217;s banal asides make that quite clear.</p>

	<p>And so the leading ha ha in the satire is an accurate observation.</p>

	<p>I doubt very much that this Hinderaker fellow much cares that Bush at best grossly exaggerated the threat and at worst out right fabricated evidence.  I don&#8217;t doubt that he just toes the line.</p>

	<p>So in that context the satire is pretty funny.</p>

	<p>But it is also kind of funny that the lead blurb in the satire is an accurate observation.</p>

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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75019</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The administration _thought_ that Iraq had WMDs, but couldn&#039;t be sure. The intelligence they presented to the public was unqualified - they pretended that they did know Iraq had WMDs. Remember the UN presentation? No doubt there. 
The fact that the UN inspectors didn&#039;t find any WMDs? (and nobody has since)
The fact that the US and UK had clearly decided to go to war before the inspectors returned? 
All this is irrelevant? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The administration <em>thought</em> that Iraq had WMDs, but couldn&#8217;t be sure. The intelligence they presented to the public was unqualified &#8211; they pretended that they did know Iraq had WMDs. Remember the UN presentation? No doubt there.<br />
The fact that the UN inspectors didn&#8217;t find any WMDs? (and nobody has since)<br />
The fact that the US and UK had clearly decided to go to war before the inspectors returned?<br />
All this is irrelevant?</p>
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		<title>By: BigMacAttack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75017</link>
		<dc:creator>BigMacAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;It isn&#039;t clear, however, what [the Downing Street memo] was intended to mean. [Juan] Cole&#039;s implication, and the constant implication of the BUSH LIED! lefties, is that the administration really knew that Saddam didn&#039;t have any WMDs, but fixed the intelligence to make it appear that he did. But we know that isn&#039;t true.&#039;

Ahh ha ha ha ha what a fool ah ....... oh wait a minute that is an accurate observation.  So why am I laughing?  Oh because he is a stupid Republican ahh ha hah ha hah hah ha ha stupid Republicans are funny.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;It isn&#8217;t clear, however, what [the Downing Street memo] was intended to mean. [Juan] Cole&#8217;s implication, and the constant implication of the <span class="caps">BUSH LIED</span>! lefties, is that the administration really knew that Saddam didn&#8217;t have any WMDs, but fixed the intelligence to make it appear that he did. But we know that isn&#8217;t true.&#8217;</p>

	<p>Ahh ha ha ha ha what a fool ah &#8230;&#8230;. oh wait a minute that is an accurate observation.  So why am I laughing?  Oh because he is a stupid Republican ahh ha hah ha hah hah ha ha stupid Republicans are funny.</p>







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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75014</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awsome.  &quot;The Left&quot; is showing malevolence  towards Jerry Falwell for saying that &quot;The Left&quot; is malevolent to him for disagreeing with &quot;The Left&quot;.  Kind of makes your head spin.  Kind of like saying that someone sucks for punching you in the eye and in response the guy punches you in the eye.

I don&#039;t understand what&#039;s happening to this site.  It used to be all about calm rational debate.  Now seems more about shrill eye-gouging and mockery.

And on the quote from Powerline, I&#039;m not sure I see the self-mockery in pointing out the past evils that filibusters were used for, while also reminding the readers that their political opponents embrace a former Klansmen.  One great arguement to the Pathos and one great arguement to the Ethos.  Calling that &quot;self-mockery&quot; kind of makes Falwell&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is awsome.  &#8220;The Left&#8221; is showing malevolence  towards Jerry Falwell for saying that &#8220;The Left&#8221; is malevolent to him for disagreeing with &#8220;The Left&#8221;.  Kind of makes your head spin.  Kind of like saying that someone sucks for punching you in the eye and in response the guy punches you in the eye.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s happening to this site.  It used to be all about calm rational debate.  Now seems more about shrill eye-gouging and mockery.</p>

	<p>And on the quote from Powerline, I&#8217;m not sure I see the self-mockery in pointing out the past evils that filibusters were used for, while also reminding the readers that their political opponents embrace a former Klansmen.  One great arguement to the Pathos and one great arguement to the Ethos.  Calling that &#8220;self-mockery&#8221; kind of makes Falwell&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: nofundy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-75007</link>
		<dc:creator>nofundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theh book of hindrocket was awesome!  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Theh book of hindrocket was awesome!  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: goesh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-74995</link>
		<dc:creator>goesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well now, maybe the Senate can apologize to Native Americans too, or at least honor the treaties made with them. Will there be sauce for the goose and gander?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well now, maybe the Senate can apologize to Native Americans too, or at least honor the treaties made with them. Will there be sauce for the goose and gander?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-74982</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one press thinker put it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://cyber.law.harvard.edu:8080/webcred/wp-content/WEBCREDtransday1am.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;the editing occurs after publication&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As one press thinker put it, <a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu:8080/webcred/wp-content/WEBCREDtransday1am.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;the editing occurs after publication&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nanette</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-74981</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Poor Man has a tiny bit of competition in that... this is from Publius at the Legal Fiction blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_lawandpolitics_archive.html#111859946249268103&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Book of Hinderaker&lt;/a&gt; , loosely based on the Book of Job. Hilarious. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Poor Man has a tiny bit of competition in that&#8230; this is from Publius at the Legal Fiction blog: <a href="http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_lawandpolitics_archive.html#111859946249268103" rel="nofollow">The Book of Hinderaker</a> , loosely based on the Book of Job. Hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/13/oh-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-74979</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in their self-parody, they also mimic the poor man&#039;s parody of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thepoorman.net/?p=175&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Corner&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;IRAQ? NO PHOBIA!! [Mark R. Levin]
... [MSM] so intent on undermining our troops in the field that they have neglected to even mention that not a single US serviceman has been in killed in Iraq since May 17. 

[UPDATE: I have been informed that there have been at least 67 American soldiers killed since May 17. I believe this only serves to strengthen my original point.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And in their self-parody, they also mimic the poor man&#8217;s parody of the <a href="http://thepoorman.net/?p=175" rel="nofollow">The Corner</a>:</p>

	<p><em><span class="caps">IRAQ</span>? NO <span class="caps">PHOBIA</span>!! [Mark R. Levin]<br />
&#8230; [MSM] so intent on undermining our troops in the field that they have neglected to even mention that not a single US serviceman has been in killed in Iraq since May 17.</em></p>

	<p>[UPDATE: I have been informed that there have been at least 67 American soldiers killed since May 17. I believe this only serves to strengthen my original point.]</p>
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