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	<title>Comments on: Backing away from mandatory detention</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: s0metim3s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/18/backing-away-from-mandatory-detention/comment-page-1/#comment-75583</link>
		<dc:creator>s0metim3s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no hyperbole in calling Baxter, Port Hedland and other similar places &#039;concentration camps&#039;.  This is the legally precise term for indefinite, extra-judicial internment.  Those who wince at the apparent &#039;excess&#039; of terms such as &#039;gulag&#039; and &#039;concentration camp&#039; are in denial about the legal conditions in which those camps are established and maintained.

And, btw, the Australian Labor Party have not &#039;sat on the fence&#039; on this question.  They introduced the policy of so-called &#039;mandatory detention&#039; in 1992 (a move led by the Socialist Left faction of the ALP), and have consistently supported it while in opposition. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s no hyperbole in calling Baxter, Port Hedland and other similar places &#8216;concentration camps&#8217;.  This is the legally precise term for indefinite, extra-judicial internment.  Those who wince at the apparent &#8216;excess&#8217; of terms such as &#8216;gulag&#8217; and &#8216;concentration camp&#8217; are in denial about the legal conditions in which those camps are established and maintained.</p>

	<p>And, btw, the Australian Labor Party have not &#8216;sat on the fence&#8217; on this question.  They introduced the policy of so-called &#8216;mandatory detention&#8217; in 1992 (a move led by the Socialist Left faction of the <span class="caps">ALP</span>), and have consistently supported it while in opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/18/backing-away-from-mandatory-detention/comment-page-1/#comment-75507</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Birch: pinko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jim Birch: pinko.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Birch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/18/backing-away-from-mandatory-detention/comment-page-1/#comment-75505</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny who will take up political correctness when it suits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Funny who will take up political correctness when it suits.</p>
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		<title>By: Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll or not, they were and are often referred to as gulags by activists. Here&#039;s a typical example:

http://www.hopecaravan.com/imaginepeace/2002_02_09_01.htm

&quot;Very few staff who have been employed at Australia&#039;s refugee gulags, have spoken out about the treatment meted out to refugees because of binding confidentiality agreements they are required to sign to obtain employment.&quot;

Off-topic, but the real problem with the whole &quot;Gitmo is a gulag&quot; thing is not that gulag is too _bad_ a word for the place, but that the word &quot;gulag&quot;, like &quot;fascist&quot;, &quot;nazi&quot; etc., has been so wildly and hyperbolically overused over the decades that it no longer has any force at all. 

Back on-topic: this is great news and it&#039;s especially encouraging to see Liberal backbenchers pushing things over the edge. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Troll or not, they were and are often referred to as gulags by activists. Here&#8217;s a typical example:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.hopecaravan.com/imaginepeace/2002_02_09_01.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hopecaravan.com/imaginepeace/2002_02_09_01.htm</a></p>

	<p>&#8220;Very few staff who have been employed at Australia&#8217;s refugee gulags, have spoken out about the treatment meted out to refugees because of binding confidentiality agreements they are required to sign to obtain employment.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Off-topic, but the real problem with the whole &#8220;Gitmo is a gulag&#8221; thing is not that gulag is too <em>bad</em> a word for the place, but that the word &#8220;gulag&#8221;, like &#8220;fascist&#8221;, &#8220;nazi&#8221; etc., has been so wildly and hyperbolically overused over the decades that it no longer has any force at all.</p>

	<p>Back on-topic: this is great news and it&#8217;s especially encouraging to see Liberal backbenchers pushing things over the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/18/backing-away-from-mandatory-detention/comment-page-1/#comment-75440</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but Billings is called a &quot;troll&quot;, and rightly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No, but Billings is called a &#8220;troll&#8221;, and rightly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Billings</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/18/backing-away-from-mandatory-detention/comment-page-1/#comment-75435</link>
		<dc:creator>Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the Australian detention centers also called &quot;gulags&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Are the Australian detention centers also called &#8220;gulags&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for passing this on, John- it&#039;s good news, even if not as good as it might be.  Those of us interested in asylum/refugee issues need all the good news we can get these days.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for passing this on, John- it&#8217;s good news, even if not as good as it might be.  Those of us interested in asylum/refugee issues need all the good news we can get these days.</p>

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