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	<title>Comments on: Can you prove that you were on a flight?</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua W. Burton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/27/can-you-prove-that-you-were-on-a-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-76514</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua W. Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_The only explanation I can come up with is that the gate agent had failed to scan in my boarding pass and thus the airline had no record of me being on it. This is curious in this day-and-age of security precautions. How could an airline not know who is on its flights?_

It gets better.  Suppose Mohammed Atta&#039;s angry kid brother, Atta Boy, had your credit card, and printed out a boarding pass as you, then gimped up a second boarding pass in his own name.  At ORD security, he shows an honest Saudi passport, as Atta Boy, and a matching boarding pass.  They don&#039;t have scanners there, so unless the TSA goon has the whole no-fly list memorized, in he goes.

At the plane, even if they do scan the boarding pass (as they should) they make a big point of _not_ asking for your ID a second time, so here he hands in the real boarding pass, as Eszter.  They scan it, and he strolls down the jetway.

The security requirement was to match a valid government ID, a purchased ticket, and a name that isn&#039;t flagged.  Yet we have just spent years and gigabucks (and harassed a few billion travelers) to create a system that _never checks all three things in one place._</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>The only explanation I can come up with is that the gate agent had failed to scan in my boarding pass and thus the airline had no record of me being on it. This is curious in this day-and-age of security precautions. How could an airline not know who is on its flights?</em></p>

	<p>It gets better.  Suppose Mohammed Atta&#8217;s angry kid brother, Atta Boy, had your credit card, and printed out a boarding pass as you, then gimped up a second boarding pass in his own name.  At <span class="caps">ORD</span> security, he shows an honest Saudi passport, as Atta Boy, and a matching boarding pass.  They don&#8217;t have scanners there, so unless the <span class="caps">TSA</span> goon has the whole no-fly list memorized, in he goes.</p>

	<p>At the plane, even if they do scan the boarding pass (as they should) they make a big point of <em>not</em> asking for your ID a second time, so here he hands in the real boarding pass, as Eszter.  They scan it, and he strolls down the jetway.</p>

	<p>The security requirement was to match a valid government ID, a purchased ticket, and a name that isn&#8217;t flagged.  Yet we have just spent years and gigabucks (and harassed a few billion travelers) to create a system that <em>never checks all three things in one place.</em></p>
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		<title>By: diddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>diddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can’t recall the last time I went past a gate scanner that wasn’t a non-contact barcode scanner....&quot;

For completeness it should be noted that in many locations AA uses a combination of a non-contact bar code scanner for self-check passes and a scanner which accepts only standard ticket stock and spits out the stub.  I recently encountered this combination at O&#039;Hare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I can&#8217;t recall the last time I went past a gate scanner that wasn&#8217;t a non-contact barcode scanner&#8230;.&#8221;</p>

	<p>For completeness it should be noted that in many locations AA uses a combination of a non-contact bar code scanner for self-check passes and a scanner which accepts only standard ticket stock and spits out the stub.  I recently encountered this combination at O&#8217;Hare.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an additional related story recounted by Kevin Kahn posted on Dave Farber&#039;s IP list (where I had sent my blog post).

The airlines seem rather prone to throwing up their hands at situations like these. Last Christmas holiday, returning from LGA to PDX via ORD my wife and I got on standby for a slightly earlier flight than we reserved from LGA to ORD to allow a safer connect time in Chicago.  Apparently the gate agent in New York mishandled the
standby with the result that since we &quot;hadn&#039;t flown&quot; our LGA to ORD leg, they cancelled our ORD to PDX leg for which we were holding actual first class boarding passes.  This was on AA where at the time I had top flyer status (EXP for those who track such).  The Chicago agents shrugged their shoulders and said tough - you have no seats
since you didn&#039;t fly here.  Go away and we&#039;ll figure out how to get you home tomorrow maybe.  Of course we had boarding passes for the flight we just got off of and unused passes for the flight we were trying to board which the gate reader now viewed as invalid.  It took intervention from the elite desk at American to get them to off load
a couple of non-rev passengers and even put us on the plane in a couple of very bad coach seats.  The agents in Chicago had no interest in handling an obvious airline screw up to one of their best
class of passenger.  Even after the fact, interactions with AA Customer relations only elicited a reluctant apology and eventually
after telephone conversations some consolation frequent flyer points.  Needless to say, I do not currently go out of my way to fly American.  And the airlines wonder why they have annoyed customers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s an additional related story recounted by Kevin Kahn posted on Dave Farber&#8217;s IP list (where I had sent my blog post).</p>

	<p>The airlines seem rather prone to throwing up their hands at situations like these. Last Christmas holiday, returning from <span class="caps">LGA</span> to <span class="caps">PDX</span> via <span class="caps">ORD</span> my wife and I got on standby for a slightly earlier flight than we reserved from <span class="caps">LGA</span> to <span class="caps">ORD</span> to allow a safer connect time in Chicago.  Apparently the gate agent in New York mishandled the<br />
standby with the result that since we &#8220;hadn&#8217;t flown&#8221; our <span class="caps">LGA</span> to <span class="caps">ORD</span> leg, they cancelled our <span class="caps">ORD</span> to <span class="caps">PDX</span> leg for which we were holding actual first class boarding passes.  This was on AA where at the time I had top flyer status (EXP for those who track such).  The Chicago agents shrugged their shoulders and said tough &#8211; you have no seats<br />
since you didn&#8217;t fly here.  Go away and we&#8217;ll figure out how to get you home tomorrow maybe.  Of course we had boarding passes for the flight we just got off of and unused passes for the flight we were trying to board which the gate reader now viewed as invalid.  It took intervention from the elite desk at American to get them to off load<br />
a couple of non-rev passengers and even put us on the plane in a couple of very bad coach seats.  The agents in Chicago had no interest in handling an obvious airline screw up to one of their best<br />
class of passenger.  Even after the fact, interactions with <span class="caps">AA </span>Customer relations only elicited a reluctant apology and eventually<br />
after telephone conversations some consolation frequent flyer points.  Needless to say, I do not currently go out of my way to fly American.  And the airlines wonder why they have annoyed customers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the BIGGEST downside of a gate agent&#039;s failure to scan my boarding pass and duly registering my presence on a flight is the loss of frequent flier miles! ARRRGGHH!

I fly a lot and I&#039;ve boarded at gates with broken scanners several times in the past. I tell gate agents that I won&#039;t board the plane until I watch them manually &quot;board&quot; me using the adjacent keyboard/screen terminal, citing FAA Rule 188, which calls for &quot;...immediate termination of any airline employee, and possible criminal prosecution thereof,  who shall allow any passenger to board a commercial aircraft without completing an accurate and complete registration of said passenger&#039;s boarding of the aircraft PRIOR to the act of boarding.&quot;

Oh don&#039;t bother googling FAA Rule 188. I made it up. But it sure scares the CRAP out of gate agents. NO ONE fucks with MY frequent flier miles ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For me, the <span class="caps">BIGGEST</span> downside of a gate agent&#8217;s failure to scan my boarding pass and duly registering my presence on a flight is the loss of frequent flier miles! <span class="caps">ARRRGGHH</span>!</p>

	<p>I fly a lot and I&#8217;ve boarded at gates with broken scanners several times in the past. I tell gate agents that I won&#8217;t board the plane until I watch them manually &#8220;board&#8221; me using the adjacent keyboard/screen terminal, citing <span class="caps">FAA </span>Rule 188, which calls for &#8220;&#8230;immediate termination of any airline employee, and possible criminal prosecution thereof,  who shall allow any passenger to board a commercial aircraft without completing an accurate and complete registration of said passenger&#8217;s boarding of the aircraft <span class="caps">PRIOR</span> to the act of boarding.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Oh don&#8217;t bother googling <span class="caps">FAA </span>Rule 188. I made it up. But it sure scares the <span class="caps">CRAP</span> out of gate agents. <span class="caps">NO ONE</span> fucks with MY frequent flier miles ;)</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/27/can-you-prove-that-you-were-on-a-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-76269</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture on the driver&#039;s license is pretty much mandatory now, it seems. Vermont has an option for getting a license without one, but good luck trying to fly with it. There are also apparently rules about using a recently-expired license for ID, which trigger some of the heightened searches if invoked.

If you start your trip in a non-hub city, it seems not at all uncommon that the identification that let you leave won&#039;t be considered sufficient to get you home. Shades of the Hong Kong-Macao ferry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The picture on the driver&#8217;s license is pretty much mandatory now, it seems. Vermont has an option for getting a license without one, but good luck trying to fly with it. There are also apparently rules about using a recently-expired license for ID, which trigger some of the heightened searches if invoked.</p>

	<p>If you start your trip in a non-hub city, it seems not at all uncommon that the identification that let you leave won&#8217;t be considered sufficient to get you home. Shades of the Hong Kong-Macao ferry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stentor</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/27/can-you-prove-that-you-were-on-a-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-76261</link>
		<dc:creator>Stentor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re telling stories of airline security idiocy, I&#039;m reminded of the time I flew from Syracuse to Minneapolis during a period that I had no photo on my driver&#039;s license (I wasn&#039;t in-state at the time I got it renewed). They looked at my license and said it was fine in Syracuse, at the changeover in Detroit, and getting on the return flight in Minneapolis. But boarding the Detroit to Syracuse flight, they suddenly decided my ID wasn&#039;t good enough anymore. Luckily I had my passport with me as well, just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since we&#8217;re telling stories of airline security idiocy, I&#8217;m reminded of the time I flew from Syracuse to Minneapolis during a period that I had no photo on my driver&#8217;s license (I wasn&#8217;t in-state at the time I got it renewed). They looked at my license and said it was fine in Syracuse, at the changeover in Detroit, and getting on the return flight in Minneapolis. But boarding the Detroit to Syracuse flight, they suddenly decided my ID wasn&#8217;t good enough anymore. Luckily I had my passport with me as well, just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a clear case of cock-up on the part of the airline &amp; its systems in the first place.  Well worth raising politely but &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; firmly with CRM.  They urgently need to be encouraged to get this kind of thing right.  
The check-in agent&#039;s behaviour, sadly, is typically charmless, but still well worth raising with them too.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sounds like a clear case of cock-up on the part of the airline &#038; its systems in the first place.  Well worth raising politely but <i>very</i> firmly with <span class="caps">CRM</span>.  They urgently need to be encouraged to get this kind of thing right.<br />
The check-in agent&#8217;s behaviour, sadly, is typically charmless, but still well worth raising with them too.</p>
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		<title>By: rajH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/06/27/can-you-prove-that-you-were-on-a-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-76250</link>
		<dc:creator>rajH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;From a security standpoint I wonder what would have happened if you had in fact checked luggage on your first leg.&lt;/i&gt;

In &#039;02, I missed a flight after checking in (I was taking oxycodone for my knee and fell asleep in the boarding area!) The bag I checked, though, merrily went along its way. This is just one incident, of course, but the airline people at either end didn&#039;t even bat their eyelids, which probably means this happens more often than it should.

&lt;i&gt;And I wouldn’t report this to the airline much less TSA, not if you want a chance on a one way ticket to Gitmo.&lt;/i&gt;

On the bright side, I&#039;m sure the good folks at the Pentagon won&#039;t mind at all if you get a round-trip (with a Sat stay) and don&#039;t complete the return leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>From a security standpoint I wonder what would have happened if you had in fact checked luggage on your first leg.</i></p>

	<p>In &#8216;02, I missed a flight after checking in (I was taking oxycodone for my knee and fell asleep in the boarding area!) The bag I checked, though, merrily went along its way. This is just one incident, of course, but the airline people at either end didn&#8217;t even bat their eyelids, which probably means this happens more often than it should.</p>

	<p><i>And I wouldn&#8217;t report this to the airline much less <span class="caps">TSA</span>, not if you want a chance on a one way ticket to Gitmo.</i></p>

	<p>On the bright side, I&#8217;m sure the good folks at the Pentagon won&#8217;t mind at all if you get a round-trip (with a Sat stay) and don&#8217;t complete the return leg.</p>
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		<title>By: rajH</title>
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		<dc:creator>rajH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Therefore they may suspect that you pieced together 2 RTs, maybe one on another airline, to get something cheaper than the no Sat night stay fare with them.&lt;/i&gt;

Combinatorially, of the six ways you can use one leg each from two RTs, one of them involves using the outbound legs from each RT, and hence not raise any red flags with the airline, at least if the two RTs are with different airlines.

Ezster, short of insisting that your boarding pass be scanned or otherwise recorded (on the outbound), there wasn&#039;t much to be done. As for dealing with the airline employee, maybe the right mix of annoyance, entitlement and a how-dare-you-question-me attitude could have helped, though I could easily see them backfiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Therefore they may suspect that you pieced together 2 RTs, maybe one on another airline, to get something cheaper than the no Sat night stay fare with them.</i></p>

	<p>Combinatorially, of the six ways you can use one leg each from two RTs, one of them involves using the outbound legs from each RT, and hence not raise any red flags with the airline, at least if the two RTs are with different airlines.</p>

	<p>Ezster, short of insisting that your boarding pass be scanned or otherwise recorded (on the outbound), there wasn&#8217;t much to be done. As for dealing with the airline employee, maybe the right mix of annoyance, entitlement and a how-dare-you-question-me attitude could have helped, though I could easily see them backfiring.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One year my then-15 year old daughter had to leave late for her summer camp, because she was making a CD with her choir.  We knew all this well in advance, and bought her ticket through the special &quot;for camps&quot; group rate 800 number at the airline the camp recommended.  Because she wasn&#039;t coming in with a hoard of other kids and had to be met specially by an employee of the camp driving many miles, we arranged for a red-eye flight arriving at 9 in the morning. Of course she was an unaccompanied minor (16 is the cut-off for that requirement) despite her maturity and many plane flights unaccompanied.  

When we got to SFO that night to put her on the plane after her last recording session, the gate agent announced that unaccompanied minors couldn&#039;t fly on red-eyes.  My husband, much less prone to explosion, gently and repeatedly pointed out that we had been sold the ticket by an airline employee, complete with disclosure of her age, and after insisting that the base manager be called at home to rule on the matter, they finally decided instead that if the pilot allowed it, she could fly.  He did and she did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One year my then-15 year old daughter had to leave late for her summer camp, because she was making a CD with her choir.  We knew all this well in advance, and bought her ticket through the special &#8220;for camps&#8221; group rate 800 number at the airline the camp recommended.  Because she wasn&#8217;t coming in with a hoard of other kids and had to be met specially by an employee of the camp driving many miles, we arranged for a red-eye flight arriving at 9 in the morning. Of course she was an unaccompanied minor (16 is the cut-off for that requirement) despite her maturity and many plane flights unaccompanied.</p>

	<p>When we got to <span class="caps">SFO</span> that night to put her on the plane after her last recording session, the gate agent announced that unaccompanied minors couldn&#8217;t fly on red-eyes.  My husband, much less prone to explosion, gently and repeatedly pointed out that we had been sold the ticket by an airline employee, complete with disclosure of her age, and after insisting that the base manager be called at home to rule on the matter, they finally decided instead that if the pilot allowed it, she could fly.  He did and she did.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall years ago, (So don&#039;t blame Ridge. I&#039;m cool with you blaming Minetta, though.) my father was flying down to Florida. For his convenience, we&#039;d booked him through the local small airport, with a commuter flight to Detroit.

Thunderstorms canceled the commuter, but the layover in Detroit was such that I could make the drive in time for that departure. We informed the ticket agent that we were doing that, got back in the car, and drove to Detroit... To find that he&#039;d canceled the ticket all the way through to the final destination, in spite of being informed of our intentions.

Fortunately, Dad had already been issued the boarding pass, so they had to accomidate him. But it did sour me on using commuters to save an hour&#039;s drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I recall years ago, (So don&#8217;t blame Ridge. I&#8217;m cool with you blaming Minetta, though.) my father was flying down to Florida. For his convenience, we&#8217;d booked him through the local small airport, with a commuter flight to Detroit.</p>

	<p>Thunderstorms canceled the commuter, but the layover in Detroit was such that I could make the drive in time for that departure. We informed the ticket agent that we were doing that, got back in the car, and drove to Detroit&#8230; To find that he&#8217;d canceled the ticket all the way through to the final destination, in spite of being informed of our intentions.</p>

	<p>Fortunately, Dad had already been issued the boarding pass, so they had to accomidate him. But it did sour me on using commuters to save an hour&#8217;s drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back before taking your shoes off, I was often hassled over ID at the airport.  I don&#039;t have a driver&#039;s license, and have worked for many small companies that don&#039;t issue security badges or the like, leaving me with very little proof of my identity.  I asked to speak to the manager or person in charge, who in one instance proceeded to tell me that without ID, I could be arrested for vagrancy, but who ulimately put me on the plane.  In another case, I had my bags checked for explosives residue because my corporate ID, which had been accepted by the same gate agent two weeks&#039; previously, was unsatisfactorily that morning.  In both cases I delivered a stock speech about &quot;papers&quot; and freedom to travel and so forth, which probably got up their noses, but felt pretty good.  Anyway, don&#039;t wait: ask for the manager if the clerk can&#039;t handle the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Back before taking your shoes off, I was often hassled over ID at the airport.  I don&#8217;t have a driver&#8217;s license, and have worked for many small companies that don&#8217;t issue security badges or the like, leaving me with very little proof of my identity.  I asked to speak to the manager or person in charge, who in one instance proceeded to tell me that without ID, I could be arrested for vagrancy, but who ulimately put me on the plane.  In another case, I had my bags checked for explosives residue because my corporate ID, which had been accepted by the same gate agent two weeks&#8217; previously, was unsatisfactorily that morning.  In both cases I delivered a stock speech about &#8220;papers&#8221; and freedom to travel and so forth, which probably got up their noses, but felt pretty good.  Anyway, don&#8217;t wait: ask for the manager if the clerk can&#8217;t handle the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That kind of &quot;yeah right&quot; hostility is familar to me from a fairly different situation. I once selected a small (very light) china doll from a store for a friend and they took a box from the shelf, gift wrapped it for me and sold it to me. When my friend opened it, it was an empty box containing packing but no doll. The sales assistant was openly hostile to my &quot;you sold me an empty box!&quot; claims but I think the same thing happened: eventually he realised I wasn&#039;t backing down and wasn&#039;t leaving without an actual china doll, so he gave it to me while making it clear he thought I was the worst kind of lying petty thief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That kind of &#8220;yeah right&#8221; hostility is familar to me from a fairly different situation. I once selected a small (very light) china doll from a store for a friend and they took a box from the shelf, gift wrapped it for me and sold it to me. When my friend opened it, it was an empty box containing packing but no doll. The sales assistant was openly hostile to my &#8220;you sold me an empty box!&#8221; claims but I think the same thing happened: eventually he realised I wasn&#8217;t backing down and wasn&#8217;t leaving without an actual china doll, so he gave it to me while making it clear he thought I was the worst kind of lying petty thief.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Security Theatre, playing at major US airports.</description>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 and 13 are right. It&#039;s to prevent people from gaming the airlines&#039; pricing strategies. Say John lives in a monopoly airport town, A, and is flying to a competitive market, B, on Monday. A to B, one-way, is $300. But B to A and back with a Sat night stay is $150. So he buys the latter ticket, and shows up on Mon expecting to go to B. Too bad!
At least in the US, airlines have every legal right to do this, and have been for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>2 and 13 are right. It&#8217;s to prevent people from gaming the airlines&#8217; pricing strategies. Say John lives in a monopoly airport town, A, and is flying to a competitive market, B, on Monday. A to B, one-way, is $300. But B to A and back with a Sat night stay is $150. So he buys the latter ticket, and shows up on Mon expecting to go to B. Too bad!<br />
At least in the US, airlines have every legal right to do this, and have been for decades.</p>
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