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		<title>By: Villaveces</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81879</link>
		<dc:creator>Villaveces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both dumb comic strips.  But please avoid using Aristotle that way, Aristotle would not have argued that way, and his argument was not invalidated by bringing up food.  There was no argument.  Plus trying to combine modern human rights arguments with classical philosophy is extremely ahistorical and frankly offensive.  PLEASE stop the stupidity on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Both dumb comic strips.  But please avoid using Aristotle that way, Aristotle would not have argued that way, and his argument was not invalidated by bringing up food.  There was no argument.  Plus trying to combine modern human rights arguments with classical philosophy is extremely ahistorical and frankly offensive.  <span class="caps">PLEASE</span> stop the stupidity on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81325</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I at least &lt;i&gt;got&lt;/i&gt; the Aristotle one.  There&#039;s subtlety, then there&#039;s nonsense.  

Instead of &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, he probably should have said something like &quot;supposedly&quot; or &quot;ostensibly.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I at least <i>got</i> the Aristotle one.  There&#8217;s subtlety, then there&#8217;s nonsense.</p>

	<p>Instead of <i>per se</i>, he probably should have said something like &#8220;supposedly&#8221; or &#8220;ostensibly.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81322</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, you shouldn&#039;t need Aristotle to figure this one out. 

A better comic could&#039;ve pointed out how they treat their constituency as a bunch of morons, their condescension to the plebs. It&#039;s a bit like the Roman empire in Lives of the Twelve Caesars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yup, you shouldn&#8217;t need Aristotle to figure this one out.</p>

	<p>A better comic could&#8217;ve pointed out how they treat their constituency as a bunch of morons, their condescension to the plebs. It&#8217;s a bit like the Roman empire in Lives of the Twelve Caesars.</p>
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		<title>By: anatoly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81320</link>
		<dc:creator>anatoly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erm, it&#039;s not like the second comic is any more subtle than Muir&#039;s.

These are two very stupid comic strips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>erm, it&#8217;s not like the second comic is any more subtle than Muir&#8217;s.</p>

	<p>These are two very stupid comic strips.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81317</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Character 2: “Per Se” [implying – In name only, he really “represents” souless terrorist killers who hate America.]&lt;/em&gt;

This is a kind of strange, colloquial usage of &quot;&lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt;&quot; that I have heard before but I&#039;m still not sure exactly what the speaker thinks the phrase &lt;em&gt;means&lt;/em&gt; -- it does not mean anything that would serve to make that implication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Character 2: &#8220;Per Se&#8221; [implying &#8211; In name only, he really &#8220;represents&#8221; souless terrorist killers who hate America.]</em></p>

	<p>This is a kind of strange, colloquial usage of &#8220;<em>per se</em>&#8221; that I have heard before but I&#8217;m still not sure exactly what the speaker thinks the phrase <em>means</em>&#8212;it does not mean anything that would serve to make that implication.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81307</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know you would think these uber living room warriors would have remembered from all those WWII movies where Nazis feed allied prisoners huge banquets trying to break them and then moving on to torture if the food wasn&#039;t enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You know you would think these uber living room warriors would have remembered from all those <span class="caps">WWII</span> movies where Nazis feed allied prisoners huge banquets trying to break them and then moving on to torture if the food wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: almostinfamous</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81207</link>
		<dc:creator>almostinfamous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is Muir’s idea of subtlety&lt;/i&gt;

actuallly seth, based on the last few years of clinton and the past 4 or 5 of bush&#039;s and personal experiences as well, it seems to me that this is the entire neocon/theocon idea of subtlety. that doesnt excuse what muir describes in his cartoons, but his other work is pretty indicative of how much kool-aid he is drinking(and peddling)
and is as such very very distressing to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>This is Muir&#8217;s idea of subtlety</i></p>

	<p>actuallly seth, based on the last few years of clinton and the past 4 or 5 of bush&#8217;s and personal experiences as well, it seems to me that this is the entire neocon/theocon idea of subtlety. that doesnt excuse what muir describes in his cartoons, but his other work is pretty indicative of how much kool-aid he is drinking(and peddling)<br />
and is as such very very distressing to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81199</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agm, this is the &quot;punchline&quot; in the specific strip:

Character 1: &quot;Wait, the U.S. Senator who represents Illinios voters?&quot;

Character 2: &quot;Per Se&quot; [implying - In name only, he *really* &quot;represents&quot; souless terrorist killers who hate America.]

This is Muir&#039;s idea of subtlety (granted, Tinsley would have spelled it out. In a large font.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>agm, this is the &#8220;punchline&#8221; in the specific strip:</p>

	<p>Character 1: &#8220;Wait, the U.S. Senator who represents Illinios voters?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Character 2: &#8220;Per Se&#8221; [implying &#8211; In name only, he <strong>really</strong> &#8220;represents&#8221; souless terrorist killers who hate America.]</p>

	<p>This is Muir&#8217;s idea of subtlety (granted, Tinsley would have spelled it out. In a large font.).</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81198</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agm, perhaps I should elaborate.  Chris has been excusing US torture in his cartoons.  He harped upon the good food allegedly fed to the prisoners, and the sexual methods allegedly used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>agm, perhaps I should elaborate.  Chris has been excusing US torture in his cartoons.  He harped upon the good food allegedly fed to the prisoners, and the sexual methods allegedly used.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81197</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris is scum.  

All else is elaboration upon that theme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chris is scum.</p>

	<p>All else is elaboration upon that theme.</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81188</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to kill the humor, but could someone please explain the Chris Muir comic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry to kill the humor, but could someone please explain the Chris Muir comic?</p>
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		<title>By: ArC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81089</link>
		<dc:creator>ArC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muir truly is the dumb version of Bruce &quot;Mallard Fillmore&quot; Tinsley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Muir truly is the dumb version of Bruce &#8220;Mallard Fillmore&#8221; Tinsley.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/15/fighting-words/comment-page-1/#comment-81084</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank you.</p>
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