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		<title>By: RichL</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/19/some-real-good-news/comment-page-1/#comment-83915</link>
		<dc:creator>RichL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to E. Timor being the model for Papua and Aceh, you forget that Papua(Copper&amp; Gold) and Aceh (oil and gas) are major tax revenue generators for Indonesia. Timor has a possible claim on oil reserves but little current revenue. It isn&#039;t very likely that Indonesia would substantially slash their own tax revenues voluntarily. 

Papua at this point has half the population as indonesian, and half melanesian. The latter, while indigenous, is a tribal society. Guns beat spears. There is more government money going into Papua, but there is still a need for progress beyond a military solution. At least the new government is more flexible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>With respect to E. Timor being the model for Papua and Aceh, you forget that Papua(Copper&#038; Gold) and Aceh (oil and gas) are major tax revenue generators for Indonesia. Timor has a possible claim on oil reserves but little current revenue. It isn&#8217;t very likely that Indonesia would substantially slash their own tax revenues voluntarily.</p>

	<p>Papua at this point has half the population as indonesian, and half melanesian. The latter, while indigenous, is a tribal society. Guns beat spears. There is more government money going into Papua, but there is still a need for progress beyond a military solution. At least the new government is more flexible.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some quick responses, in reverse order

Megawati&#039;s term was bad on Aceh, but good in some other ways: for example, the end of army seats in Parliament. As I say, each change of government has been for the better on balance

There&#039;s still plenty of contradiction on Aceh, and some of the news around the time of the tsunami was bad, but the general trend since then has been towards peace.

West Papua is still a big problem: it&#039;s an intermediate case between Aceh and ET in historical terms, and Indonesian rule has been brutal. It would have been far better if West Papua had gone in with PNG straight after WWII, but of course colonial boundaries prevented that.

At this point, I suspect the best solution is autonomy within a more loosely federal Indonesia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just some quick responses, in reverse order</p>

	<p>Megawati&#8217;s term was bad on Aceh, but good in some other ways: for example, the end of army seats in Parliament. As I say, each change of government has been for the better on balance</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s still plenty of contradiction on Aceh, and some of the news around the time of the tsunami was bad, but the general trend since then has been towards peace.</p>

	<p>West Papua is still a big problem: it&#8217;s an intermediate case between Aceh and ET in historical terms, and Indonesian rule has been brutal. It would have been far better if West Papua had gone in with <span class="caps">PNG</span> straight after <span class="caps">WWII</span>, but of course colonial boundaries prevented that.</p>

	<p>At this point, I suspect the best solution is autonomy within a more loosely federal Indonesia.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Edelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Edelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Regardless of whether this agreement holds, Indonesia’s successes since Suharto resigned have been simply amazing.&lt;/i&gt;

Make that &quot;since Megawati lost the election,&quot; at least in this case; she was as determined as Suharto to crush the Aceh uprising, and as unwilling to concede autonomy.

But yes, this is definitely good news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Regardless of whether this agreement holds, Indonesia&#8217;s successes since Suharto resigned have been simply amazing.</i></p>

	<p>Make that &#8220;since Megawati lost the election,&#8221; at least in this case; she was as determined as Suharto to crush the Aceh uprising, and as unwilling to concede autonomy.</p>

	<p>But yes, this is definitely good news.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While any gesture toward peace is wonderful, I remain skeptical. There were reports of the government using the tsunami as cover to further the war against the guerrillas (including, oddly, flying in Al Qaida fighters; Al Qaida apparently opposes the Free Aceh movement), and of US troops landing without the permission of the Indonesian government to further the so-called war on terror (rather than deliver relief).

Now, it&#039;s hard to know which reports to credit. News is fragmentary, sometimes manipulated by governments, and difficult to follow up on. But it is difficult for me to believe that the trust necessary for a lasting peace has been established, especially given the long and violent history of the Indonesian government. It is possible that this is a truce of convenience.  

But if it&#039;s for real, wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While any gesture toward peace is wonderful, I remain skeptical. There were reports of the government using the tsunami as cover to further the war against the guerrillas (including, oddly, flying in Al Qaida fighters; Al Qaida apparently opposes the Free Aceh movement), and of US troops landing without the permission of the Indonesian government to further the so-called war on terror (rather than deliver relief).</p>

	<p>Now, it&#8217;s hard to know which reports to credit. News is fragmentary, sometimes manipulated by governments, and difficult to follow up on. But it is difficult for me to believe that the trust necessary for a lasting peace has been established, especially given the long and violent history of the Indonesian government. It is possible that this is a truce of convenience.</p>

	<p>But if it&#8217;s for real, wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: Hektor Bim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/19/some-real-good-news/comment-page-1/#comment-82607</link>
		<dc:creator>Hektor Bim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are of course eliding directly over West Papua, where extrajudicial killings are still common and the army, racism, and terrible natural degradation run rampant.

It seems to me that Indonesia could solve a lot of its problems by letting various rebellious provinces go.  It clearly worked for East Timor, for example, even though the Indonesian government did everything it could to destroy as much of East Timor as possible before the handover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You are of course eliding directly over West Papua, where extrajudicial killings are still common and the army, racism, and terrible natural degradation run rampant.</p>

	<p>It seems to me that Indonesia could solve a lot of its problems by letting various rebellious provinces go.  It clearly worked for East Timor, for example, even though the Indonesian government did everything it could to destroy as much of East Timor as possible before the handover.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tsunami was relevant in various ways. The rapid and generous response from the Australian government and public helped relations with Indonesia (which had been fraught for a variety of reasons) and the presence of a large-scale international aid effort put pressure on both sides to stop fighting and start rebuilding.

So, good came from bad, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The tsunami was relevant in various ways. The rapid and generous response from the Australian government and public helped relations with Indonesia (which had been fraught for a variety of reasons) and the presence of a large-scale international aid effort put pressure on both sides to stop fighting and start rebuilding.</p>

	<p>So, good came from bad, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might the Tsunami have something to do with this change from Aceh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Might the Tsunami have something to do with this change from Aceh?</p>
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