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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Spreading Statistics, cont.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-87279</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Spreading Statistics, cont.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I noted a few days ago that Senator Rick Santorum made a claim in an online interview about federal taxation. Senator Santorum claimed that the federal tax rate for the average family has gone up from 2% (in 1950) to 27% today. Furthermore, he claimed that income from a second worker simply replaces the money that the family pays in increased federal taxes. They would enjoy the same net income if taxes went back to 1950 levels and the second worker stayed at home. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] I noted a few days ago that Senator Rick Santorum made a claim in an online interview about federal taxation. Senator Santorum claimed that the federal tax rate for the average family has gone up from 2% (in 1950) to 27% today. Furthermore, he claimed that income from a second worker simply replaces the money that the family pays in increased federal taxes. They would enjoy the same net income if taxes went back to 1950 levels and the second worker stayed at home. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Ichikawa</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-85586</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ichikawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media Matters covers this statistic &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/items/200507280004&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  They cite two ways we might calculate those averages, each of which falsifies both of Santorum&#039;s numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Media Matters covers this statistic <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200507280004" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  They cite two ways we might calculate those averages, each of which falsifies both of Santorum&#8217;s numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-85450</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the past 40 years, the federal income tax burden on a family of four has increased dramatically as a share of the family&#039;s income.

    * The average American family now pays 24.5 percent of its income to the federal government in taxes, compared with only 2 percent in 1950.

    * When state and local taxes are included, the government now takes 37.6 percent of the income of the average family with children.

    * Among married-couple families where both the husband and wife are employed, two-thirds of the wife&#039;s earnings go to pay for increased federal taxes and only one-third to supporting the family. 

One root cause of this antifamily bias in the tax code is the eroding value of the personal exemption.

    * In 1948, the $600 personal exemption for children shielded 68 percent of the average family&#039;s income and the standard deduction shielded the rest.

    * To have the same relative value today, the personal exemption would have to be about $7,000 to $8,000. 

The second tax blow to family finances has been the increase in Social Security payroll taxes.

    * In 1948, the Social Security tax was 2 percent on annual wages of up to $3,000 - 1 percent nominally paid by the employee and 1 percent paid by the employer.

    * By 1992, the combined Social Security tax had risen to 15.3 percent on annual wages of up to $55,500. 

Families with children now have less aftertax income than elderly households, single persons and couples without children.

Source: Robert Rector, &quot;Reducing the Crushing Tax Burden on America&#039;s Families,&quot; Backgrounder No. 981, March 7, 1994, Heritage Foundation, 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20002, (202) 546-4400.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>During the past 40 years, the federal income tax burden on a family of four has increased dramatically as a share of the family&#8217;s income.</p>

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		<li>The average American family now pays 24.5 percent of its income to the federal government in taxes, compared with only 2 percent in 1950.</li>
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		<li>When state and local taxes are included, the government now takes 37.6 percent of the income of the average family with children.</li>
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		<li>Among married-couple families where both the husband and wife are employed, two-thirds of the wife&#8217;s earnings go to pay for increased federal taxes and only one-third to supporting the family.</li>
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	<p>One root cause of this antifamily bias in the tax code is the eroding value of the personal exemption.</p>

	<ul>
		<li>In 1948, the $600 personal exemption for children shielded 68 percent of the average family&#8217;s income and the standard deduction shielded the rest.</li>
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		<li>To have the same relative value today, the personal exemption would have to be about $7,000 to $8,000.</li>
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	<p>The second tax blow to family finances has been the increase in Social Security payroll taxes.</p>

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		<li>In 1948, the Social Security tax was 2 percent on annual wages of up to $3,000 &#8211; 1 percent nominally paid by the employee and 1 percent paid by the employer.</li>
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		<li>By 1992, the combined Social Security tax had risen to 15.3 percent on annual wages of up to $55,500.</li>
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	<p>Families with children now have less aftertax income than elderly households, single persons and couples without children.</p>

	<p>Source: Robert Rector, &#8220;Reducing the Crushing Tax Burden on America&#8217;s Families,&#8221; Backgrounder No. 981, March 7, 1994, Heritage Foundation, 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE, Washington, <span class="caps">DC 20002</span>, (202) 546-4400.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or rather, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Santorum&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or rather, <a HREF="http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/" rel="nofollow">Santorum</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84722</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thereference, spreading statistics refers to &lt;a HREF=&quot;www.spreadingsantorum.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;santorum.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>thereference, spreading statistics refers to <a HREF="www.spreadingsantorum.com/" rel="nofollow">santorum.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Burton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84687</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jet: I agree. I was assuming, for purposes of snarkiness, the standard leftish position that the Federal Government in general, and the Republican Party in particular, are merely out to serve the interests of the wealthy and empowered classes.

Perhaps I should have put it like this:

If it were true that the government merely served the interests of the rich, then it would be hard to complain, since it is the rich who are paying for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>jet: I agree. I was assuming, for purposes of snarkiness, the standard leftish position that the Federal Government in general, and the Republican Party in particular, are merely out to serve the interests of the wealthy and empowered classes.</p>

	<p>Perhaps I should have put it like this:</p>

	<p>If it were true that the government merely served the interests of the rich, then it would be hard to complain, since it is the rich who are paying for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Puchalsky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84572</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Puchalsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenter 17, try http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/ .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Commenter 17, try <a href="http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84554</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fifi: Well, I like to be able to spend money. Taxes take money away from me. If tax money is spent well, no problem here. But if it&#039;s spent on war, waste, massive subsidies to ineffective french farmers or corporate handouts to airbus I&#039;d rather keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>fifi: Well, I like to be able to spend money. Taxes take money away from me. If tax money is spent well, no problem here. But if it&#8217;s spent on war, waste, massive subsidies to ineffective french farmers or corporate handouts to airbus I&#8217;d rather keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84513</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And people wonder why the federal government serves the interests of the well-to-do! It’s theirs! – bought and paid for. The bottom 40% (i.e., families with incomes of about $40,000 and below) contribute practically nothing except to their own retirement scheme.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It would appear the opposite of this is true.  If the bottom 40% contribute nothing but to their own retirement yet still receive the same public services as the other 60%, then it would appear they are getting a free ride.  So contrary to your conclucsion, it would appear that the federal government is first serving the interests of the not-so-well-to-do&#039;s a la their free lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>And people wonder why the federal government serves the interests of the well-to-do! It&#8217;s theirs! &#8211; bought and paid for. The bottom 40% (i.e., families with incomes of about $40,000 and below) contribute practically nothing except to their own retirement scheme.</blockquote>It would appear the opposite of this is true.  If the bottom 40% contribute nothing but to their own retirement yet still receive the same public services as the other 60%, then it would appear they are getting a free ride.  So contrary to your conclucsion, it would appear that the federal government is first serving the interests of the not-so-well-to-do&#8217;s a la their free lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose Santorum cites &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1053/is_n6_v19/ai_10713528&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;
or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amvalues.org/op_ed_article.php?id=35&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/5-94.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, or some other Christian rightist who&#039;s used this line.  Then it&#039;s just one liar quoting another.  Or perhaps if Santorum has a source for his information, no matter how questionable, he shouldn&#039;t be called a liar?  Truly, the right wing echo chamber raises deep philosophical questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Suppose Santorum cites <a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1053/is_n6_v19/ai_10713528" rel="nofollow">this</a><br />
or <a href="http://www.amvalues.org/op_ed_article.php?id=35" rel="nofollow">this</a> or <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/5-94.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, or some other Christian rightist who&#8217;s used this line.  Then it&#8217;s just one liar quoting another.  Or perhaps if Santorum has a source for his information, no matter how questionable, he shouldn&#8217;t be called a liar?  Truly, the right wing echo chamber raises deep philosophical questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragout</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84502</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose Santorum cites &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1053/is_n6_v19/ai_10713528&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amvalues.org/op_ed_article.php?id=35&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/5-94.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, or some other Christian rightist who&#039;s used this line.  Then it&#039;s just one liar quoting another.  Or perhaps if Santorum has a source for his information, no matter how questionable, he shouldn&#039;t be called a liar?  Truly, the right wing echo chamber raises deep philosophical questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Suppose Santorum cites <a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1053/is_n6_v19/ai_10713528" rel="nofollow">this</a> or <a href="http://www.amvalues.org/op_ed_article.php?id=35" rel="nofollow">this</a> or <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/archives/fm/5-94.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, or some other Christian rightist who&#8217;s used this line.  Then it&#8217;s just one liar quoting another.  Or perhaps if Santorum has a source for his information, no matter how questionable, he shouldn&#8217;t be called a liar?  Truly, the right wing echo chamber raises deep philosophical questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Burton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/25/spreading-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-84489</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: 

(1)

Suppose that Country A has, in 2000 dollars, a GDP per capita of $13,000 and a total GDP of $1.8 trillion.

Meanwhile, Country B has a GDP per capita of $35,000 and a total GDP of $9.8 trillion.

Suppose that both countries pay 20% of their GDP in federal taxes.

For Country A, that works out to $360 Billion, or $2600 per capita. For Country B, it works out to $1.96 trillion, or $7000 per capita.

Does Country A have a higher tax burden than country B, a lower one, or about the same?

I don&#039;t think one can assume, without further comment or argument, that federal taxes as a percentage of GDP is the right measure to use here.

(Country A is the US in 1944; Country B is the US in 2000).

(2)

It&#039;s not at all obvious that tax &lt;i&gt;rates&lt;/i&gt; tell us all we need to know about the distribution of the tax burden. What about actual taxes paid? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxModel/tmdb/TMTemplate.cfm?DocID=660&amp;topic2ID=40&amp;topic3ID=41&amp;DocTypeID=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;According to Ted&#039;s website&lt;/a&gt;, the top quintile (that would be families with incomes of about $100,000 and above) currently pays about 69% of all federal taxes. Unfortunately, the same site doesn&#039;t seem to have any comparable information on the days when top marginal rates were 80%. Did the rich actually end up paying even more back then?

And people wonder why the federal government serves the interests of the well-to-do! &lt;i&gt;It&#039;s theirs!&lt;/i&gt; - bought and paid for. The bottom 40% (i.e., families with incomes of about $40,000 and below) contribute practically nothing except to their own retirement scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mark:</p>

	<p>(1)</p>

	<p>Suppose that Country A has, in 2000 dollars, a <span class="caps">GDP</span> per capita of $13,000 and a total <span class="caps">GDP</span> of $1.8 trillion.</p>

	<p>Meanwhile, Country B has a <span class="caps">GDP</span> per capita of $35,000 and a total <span class="caps">GDP</span> of $9.8 trillion.</p>

	<p>Suppose that both countries pay 20% of their <span class="caps">GDP</span> in federal taxes.</p>

	<p>For Country A, that works out to $360 Billion, or $2600 per capita. For Country B, it works out to $1.96 trillion, or $7000 per capita.</p>

	<p>Does Country A have a higher tax burden than country B, a lower one, or about the same?</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think one can assume, without further comment or argument, that federal taxes as a percentage of <span class="caps">GDP</span> is the right measure to use here.</p>

	<p>(Country A is the US in 1944; Country B is the US in 2000).</p>

	<p>(2)</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s not at all obvious that tax <i>rates</i> tell us all we need to know about the distribution of the tax burden. What about actual taxes paid? <a href="http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxModel/tmdb/TMTemplate.cfm?DocID=660&#038;topic2ID=40&#038;topic3ID=41&#038;DocTypeID=2" rel="nofollow">According to Ted&#8217;s website</a>, the top quintile (that would be families with incomes of about $100,000 and above) currently pays about 69% of all federal taxes. Unfortunately, the same site doesn&#8217;t seem to have any comparable information on the days when top marginal rates were 80%. Did the rich actually end up paying even more back then?</p>

	<p>And people wonder why the federal government serves the interests of the well-to-do! <i>It&#8217;s theirs!</i> &#8211; bought and paid for. The bottom 40% (i.e., families with incomes of about $40,000 and below) contribute practically nothing except to their own retirement scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly he wants a much more progressive tax regime. 

Or what Mark said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Clearly he wants a much more progressive tax regime.</p>

	<p>Or what Mark said.</p>
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		<title>By: thereference</title>
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		<dc:creator>thereference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what does spreading statistics refer to? just curious. i am lowbrow, and i want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>what does spreading statistics refer to? just curious. i am lowbrow, and i want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: dglp</title>
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		<dc:creator>dglp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do local and state taxes figure in any of this? (In addition to sales, property taxes) What are the ratios of local, state and federal taxes as a proporation of the total tax burden on a given person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Do local and state taxes figure in any of this? (In addition to sales, property taxes) What are the ratios of local, state and federal taxes as a proporation of the total tax burden on a given person?</p>
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