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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: des von bladet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-85445</link>
		<dc:creator>des von bladet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did that comment end up here?  I am boggulated beyond mortal bogglitude.

Needless to say, it makes no sense in this context; needlfuller to say, there is another context where it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How did that comment end up here?  I am boggulated beyond mortal bogglitude.</p>

	<p>Needless to say, it makes no sense in this context; needlfuller to say, there is another context where it would.</p>
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		<title>By: StrangeThingsAfoot.com &#187; Jane Fonda has lost her mind once again</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84894</link>
		<dc:creator>StrangeThingsAfoot.com &#187; Jane Fonda has lost her mind once again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Even Crooked Timber and Left Wing Cracker even agree that this is a bad idea. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Even Crooked Timber and Left Wing Cracker even agree that this is a bad idea. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: des von bladet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84754</link>
		<dc:creator>des von bladet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh me, 
which am I, and oh my!
Savour the savoury Goodness of pie!

Our plea,
is just that you try
to savour the flavoury 
Pieness of pie!

Praise be
to you who would fly
to a once-great democracy
cargos of pie!

(By the
way or the by,
We have eaten the &quot;candy&quot;
you left here to die.

(It was neither especially cold nor delicious, but it was after all &quot;candy&quot;.))

I spy, 
not knowing why,
in previews irrascibly
lines laid awry.  

(Sigh.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh me,<br />
which am I, and oh my!<br />
Savour the savoury Goodness of pie!</p>

	<p>Our plea,<br />
is just that you try<br />
to savour the flavoury<br />
Pieness of pie!</p>

	<p>Praise be<br />
to you who would fly<br />
to a once-great democracy<br />
cargos of pie!</p>

	<p>(By the<br />
way or the by,<br />
We have eaten the &#8220;candy&#8221;<br />
you left here to die.</p>

	<p>(It was neither especially cold nor delicious, but it was after all &#8220;candy&#8221;.))</p>

	<p>I spy,<br />
not knowing why,<br />
in previews irrascibly<br />
lines laid awry.</p>

	<p>(Sigh.)</p>
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		<title>By: jane adams</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84743</link>
		<dc:creator>jane adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actualy forgive Fonda for her stupid antics in N. Vietnam.  It was stupid, but the heat of the time made people crazy.

I do not forgive her for her attack on Joan Baez for coming to the cause of the boat people.  At that point she and her part of the left made it clear, they didnn&#039;t care about &quot;gooks,&quot; the dirty racists would let the lower levels die for a concept.

In the furor of the sixties and earlky seventies with all the lies from the right it was possible to briefly believe that all on the MSM was blatant propaganda, to rationalize communism as feeding peple in the face of starvation as battling tyranny and imperialism.  Certainly many of the regimes it fought were nasty.  

But for anyone who *cared* the reality that this was a monstrous doctrine, that it destoyed the best soon came out.  by 1976 we saw the monks of the &quot;3rd way&quot; imprisoned, so many other things.  Fonda refused to see, Fonda refused to care.  

We were to see it again a few years later when many turned the &quot;nuclear freeze&quot; movement into an apology for the USSR.  And even today many people feel no shame about being associated with marches organized by ANSWER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I actualy forgive Fonda for her stupid antics in N. Vietnam.  It was stupid, but the heat of the time made people crazy.</p>

	<p>I do not forgive her for her attack on Joan Baez for coming to the cause of the boat people.  At that point she and her part of the left made it clear, they didnn&#8217;t care about &#8220;gooks,&#8221; the dirty racists would let the lower levels die for a concept.</p>

	<p>In the furor of the sixties and earlky seventies with all the lies from the right it was possible to briefly believe that all on the <span class="caps">MSM</span> was blatant propaganda, to rationalize communism as feeding peple in the face of starvation as battling tyranny and imperialism.  Certainly many of the regimes it fought were nasty.</p>

	<p>But for anyone who <strong>cared</strong> the reality that this was a monstrous doctrine, that it destoyed the best soon came out.  by 1976 we saw the monks of the &#8220;3rd way&#8221; imprisoned, so many other things.  Fonda refused to see, Fonda refused to care.</p>

	<p>We were to see it again a few years later when many turned the &#8220;nuclear freeze&#8221; movement into an apology for the <span class="caps">USSR</span>.  And even today many people feel no shame about being associated with marches organized by <span class="caps">ANSWER</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: jane adams</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84739</link>
		<dc:creator>jane adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to Iraq, &quot;goal c&quot; is the goal.  Remember many Sunnis believe they are really the majority.  Why should they believe the MSM?  Are they more rational than our right?

Even if not the majority they believe they are superior and better organized with all the necessary skills to reconquer.  Not necessarily incorrect.

The Jihadists desire and dream of civil war.  It is the beginning of the purification.  Destroy the scum Shiites!  Unite the Sunni world behind the oppressed Sunni of Iraq.  Funds and fighters will flow, the region will be destabilized.

No one can dismiss this because it is &quot;suicidal.&quot;  Well like duh, they are sucidal, unlease the apocalypse!  Let the blood flow.  War to the death against the Shia.  If all goes well, Arab war against Iran!

And even better oil goes up to $200 a barrel and there still isn&#039;t enough.  Watch the west collapse and those damn east Asians who somehow got more advanced than those of the true faith.  

There is no question that the insurgency is trying to trigger civil war.  This will put us in an untenable position, our &quot;strategy&quot; right now is to prepare primarily Shitte units so that they can control the nation, if civil war becomes likely, change &quot;control&quot; to &quot;ethnically cleanse.&quot;  If we intefere we increase the resistance to include Shiites and remember there are Shiite theocracies on or near crucial logistic lines in the south.

It is a mess for us.  this much is captured correctly.  But the idea that the Jihadist would abandon Iraq?   That&#039;s why some of us call for &quot;understanding.&quot;

God is on their side, do you understand?  God is on their side!  Unleash the holy war! This is the dream, this is the heart of Islam.  Burn baby burn!

These are not nice people, they are not afraid to die, they are not afraid to kill and they don&#039;t mind getting all their friends killed.  They have god on their side or more accurately they have god within, a god who would lead them to war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In regards to Iraq, &#8220;goal c&#8221; is the goal.  Remember many Sunnis believe they are really the majority.  Why should they believe the <span class="caps">MSM</span>?  Are they more rational than our right?</p>

	<p>Even if not the majority they believe they are superior and better organized with all the necessary skills to reconquer.  Not necessarily incorrect.</p>

	<p>The Jihadists desire and dream of civil war.  It is the beginning of the purification.  Destroy the scum Shiites!  Unite the Sunni world behind the oppressed Sunni of Iraq.  Funds and fighters will flow, the region will be destabilized.</p>

	<p>No one can dismiss this because it is &#8220;suicidal.&#8221;  Well like duh, they are sucidal, unlease the apocalypse!  Let the blood flow.  War to the death against the Shia.  If all goes well, Arab war against Iran!</p>

	<p>And even better oil goes up to $200 a barrel and there still isn&#8217;t enough.  Watch the west collapse and those damn east Asians who somehow got more advanced than those of the true faith.</p>

	<p>There is no question that the insurgency is trying to trigger civil war.  This will put us in an untenable position, our &#8220;strategy&#8221; right now is to prepare primarily Shitte units so that they can control the nation, if civil war becomes likely, change &#8220;control&#8221; to &#8220;ethnically cleanse.&#8221;  If we intefere we increase the resistance to include Shiites and remember there are Shiite theocracies on or near crucial logistic lines in the south.</p>

	<p>It is a mess for us.  this much is captured correctly.  But the idea that the Jihadist would abandon Iraq?   That&#8217;s why some of us call for &#8220;understanding.&#8221;</p>

	<p>God is on their side, do you understand?  God is on their side!  Unleash the holy war! This is the dream, this is the heart of Islam.  Burn baby burn!</p>

	<p>These are not nice people, they are not afraid to die, they are not afraid to kill and they don&#8217;t mind getting all their friends killed.  They have god on their side or more accurately they have god within, a god who would lead them to war.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted --
  I generalize almost entirely from Tom Carson&#039;s vicious yet extremely entertaining review of her autobiography in last month&#039;s Atlantic when I say that it wouldn&#039;t be at all surprising if Jane Fonda thinks that she would be a powerful voice against the war.  I suspect the picture next to out-of-touch-Hollywood-liberal in the Great Dictionary is probably hers.
  Should this gig come about, hopefully someone will pour sand in the tank.  At every stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ted&#8212;I generalize almost entirely from Tom Carson&#8217;s vicious yet extremely entertaining review of her autobiography in last month&#8217;s Atlantic when I say that it wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprising if Jane Fonda thinks that she would be a powerful voice against the war.  I suspect the picture next to out-of-touch-Hollywood-liberal in the Great Dictionary is probably hers.<br />
Should this gig come about, hopefully someone will pour sand in the tank.  At every stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram Hover</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84705</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiram Hover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Fonda&#039;s anti-war bus tour will never happen, and I&#039;m suprised to see serious folks spending time on it.  

According to a fuller &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/30464.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;local report&lt;/a&gt; of the event at which she spoke (and not the AP report that everyone picked up), this is what she said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said she &lt;strong&gt;should be ready by next March&lt;/strong&gt; to board a bus, fueled by vegetable oil, that she plans to drive across the country calling for an end to military operations in Iraq.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let&#039;s wait til next March to see if this conversation is really necessary, &#039;cause I suspect it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jane Fonda&#8217;s anti-war bus tour will never happen, and I&#8217;m suprised to see serious folks spending time on it.</p>

	<p>According to a fuller <a href="http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/30464.html" rel="nofollow">local report</a> of the event at which she spoke (and not the AP report that everyone picked up), this is what she said:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said she <strong>should be ready by next March</strong> to board a bus, fueled by vegetable oil, that she plans to drive across the country calling for an end to military operations in Iraq.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s wait til next March to see if this conversation is really necessary, &#8216;cause I suspect it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84697</link>
		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Fonda&#039;s trip being underwritten by Limbaugh and O&#039;Reilly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is Fonda&#8217;s trip being underwritten by Limbaugh and O&#8217;Reilly?</p>
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		<title>By: SomeCallMeTim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/07/26/roundup-2/comment-page-1/#comment-84689</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeCallMeTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.  My.  God.  How could she possibly think this is a good idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh.  My.  God.  How could she possibly think this is a good idea?</p>
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