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		<title>By: paul lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Henry and John Q. But let me ask four questions. (I can anyway, so the &#039;let&#039; is courteously redundant, or an oblique part of my point.)

1. If, by initial design, &#039;packet switching&#039; can survive nuclear war, how can it be controlled?

The late, and reflexive, capitalism struggles with the anarchy, makes a short-term &#039;quid&#039; and moves on--to the next quarterly earnings report.

2. If &#039;hobbyism&#039; is one of those increasingly affordable &#039;affordances&#039; for the dis-employed, can they not &#039;organize?

The &#039;Talking Tree&#039; in pre-revolutionary Paris comes to mind.

3. Is this not the ultimate &#039;subversion&#039;?

(Himanen has made some arguments to the Finnish Parliament that innovation and a welfare state are intertwined. Perhaps this is the real &#039;terrorism&#039; threat to the &#039;maddies&#039; runnning, in some ways, their own &#039;pension programs&#039;, or anti-social &#039;security&#039;, elsewhere.

4. Does anyone have the least idea?

I don&#039;t think so, and am with Henry on &quot;weird&quot;.

The weird are going &#039;shopping&#039;--and they are...we don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Henry and John Q. But let me ask four questions. (I can anyway, so the &#8216;let&#8217; is courteously redundant, or an oblique part of my point.)</p>

	<p>1. If, by initial design, &#8216;packet switching&#8217; can survive nuclear war, how can it be controlled?</p>

	<p>The late, and reflexive, capitalism struggles with the anarchy, makes a short-term &#8216;quid&#8217; and moves on&#8212;to the next quarterly earnings report.</p>

	<p>2. If &#8216;hobbyism&#8217; is one of those increasingly affordable &#8216;affordances&#8217; for the dis-employed, can they not &#8216;organize?</p>

	<p>The &#8216;Talking Tree&#8217; in pre-revolutionary Paris comes to mind.</p>

	<p>3. Is this not the ultimate &#8216;subversion&#8217;?</p>

	<p>(Himanen has made some arguments to the Finnish Parliament that innovation and a welfare state are intertwined. Perhaps this is the real &#8216;terrorism&#8217; threat to the &#8216;maddies&#8217; runnning, in some ways, their own &#8216;pension programs&#8217;, or anti-social &#8216;security&#8217;, elsewhere.</p>

	<p>4. Does anyone have the least idea?</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think so, and am with Henry on &#8220;weird&#8221;.</p>

	<p>The weird are going &#8216;shopping&#8217;&#8212;and they are&#8230;we don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/08/23/digital-phoenix/comment-page-1/#comment-92558</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom T, I think your quibble is actually central to the argument.

Blogging is non-economic like a hobby, but it&#039;s still a source of economically relevant innovations. RSS is a big example of something that&#039;s spread from blogs to the Internet in general and RSS is significant not only in itself but as the first big application of XML.

And what&#039;s true for blogging now has been true for the Internet as a whole. It&#039;s the hobbyists/consumers/household sector who&#039;ve driven the advances and the corporate and government sectors that have followed them.

The dotcom boom was supposed to show that hobbyist development (with government backing) was an immature phase and that the corporate sector was now ready to take over. But what it showed instead was that corporate business had no idea how to turn leading-edge innovation into profits, or even into a business plan sustainable long enough to deliver substantial real innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tom T, I think your quibble is actually central to the argument.</p>

	<p>Blogging is non-economic like a hobby, but it&#8217;s still a source of economically relevant innovations. <span class="caps">RSS</span> is a big example of something that&#8217;s spread from blogs to the Internet in general and <span class="caps">RSS</span> is significant not only in itself but as the first big application of <span class="caps">XML</span>.</p>

	<p>And what&#8217;s true for blogging now has been true for the Internet as a whole. It&#8217;s the hobbyists/consumers/household sector who&#8217;ve driven the advances and the corporate and government sectors that have followed them.</p>

	<p>The dotcom boom was supposed to show that hobbyist development (with government backing) was an immature phase and that the corporate sector was now ready to take over. But what it showed instead was that corporate business had no idea how to turn leading-edge innovation into profits, or even into a business plan sustainable long enough to deliver substantial real innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom T.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/08/23/digital-phoenix/comment-page-1/#comment-92557</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent review; you make the book sound quite interesting.  

One question:  Isn&#039;t Abramson&#039;s proposal for limited copyright for software essentially describing patent protection?  Disclose one&#039;s innovation publicly, and get a few years&#039; monopoly?  Perhaps that&#039;s the central problem with software law:  At the outset, software code should have been recognized as a patentable device, rather than a copyrightable literary work.  

One small quibble:  I&#039;m not sure that your point about blogging goes too far, because I don&#039;t think blogging represents any sort of innovative economic activity.  Rather, it&#039;s a hobby, like skateboarding, beading, or plain-paper diary writing.  Some few individuals make money at those things, but as with any hobby, most people do it because they like it, not because they expect to get paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is an excellent review; you make the book sound quite interesting.</p>

	<p>One question:  Isn&#8217;t Abramson&#8217;s proposal for limited copyright for software essentially describing patent protection?  Disclose one&#8217;s innovation publicly, and get a few years&#8217; monopoly?  Perhaps that&#8217;s the central problem with software law:  At the outset, software code should have been recognized as a patentable device, rather than a copyrightable literary work.</p>

	<p>One small quibble:  I&#8217;m not sure that your point about blogging goes too far, because I don&#8217;t think blogging represents any sort of innovative economic activity.  Rather, it&#8217;s a hobby, like skateboarding, beading, or plain-paper diary writing.  Some few individuals make money at those things, but as with any hobby, most people do it because they like it, not because they expect to get paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Freed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Freed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all well and good but let&#039;s cut to the chase.  It certainly sounds pretty interesting but what I and I&#039;m sure many others will really want to know before shelling out our hard earned money for the book is whether or not the author supports our President, the troops and their mission in The Greatest War Ever Fought or not?  It&#039;s the only thing that matters these days.  Well, that and sitting on my ass and inscribing snark in the comments on blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s all well and good but let&#8217;s cut to the chase.  It certainly sounds pretty interesting but what I and I&#8217;m sure many others will really want to know before shelling out our hard earned money for the book is whether or not the author supports our President, the troops and their mission in The Greatest War Ever Fought or not?  It&#8217;s the only thing that matters these days.  Well, that and sitting on my ass and inscribing snark in the comments on blogs.</p>
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