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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-97201</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 02:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;y81, you are so obsessed with France, you’d clearly be happier living there.&lt;/i&gt;

So?  Paris is delightful.  With enough money, most people would be very happy to live there.

Given the lack of free money, I prefer to live in Texas, but one on one and in small groups (heck, even large ones) the French these days are enjoyable to be around and France is pleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>y81, you are so obsessed with France, you&#8217;d clearly be happier living there.</i></p>

	<p>So?  Paris is delightful.  With enough money, most people would be very happy to live there.</p>

	<p>Given the lack of free money, I prefer to live in Texas, but one on one and in small groups (heck, even large ones) the French these days are enjoyable to be around and France is pleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96557</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Cross says:&lt;blockquote&gt;The rest of the world should shout loudly to the US government: “Don’t you dare, don’t you ever dare, to tell anyone, anywhere, how to run their affairs! Don’t you dare pretend you are spreading freedom when you are condemning your own people to die in filthy flood waters! Don’t you dare!”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that most of the world, the UK and Australia excepted, woke up to that two years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael Cross says:<blockquote>The rest of the world should shout loudly to the US government: &#8220;Don&#8217;t you dare, don&#8217;t you ever dare, to tell anyone, anywhere, how to run their affairs! Don&#8217;t you dare pretend you are spreading freedom when you are condemning your own people to die in filthy flood waters! Don&#8217;t you dare!&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>I think that most of the world, the UK and Australia excepted, woke up to that two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96536</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m not the first to point this out, but...

Objections in the general form of &quot;there&#039;s no clear constitutional authority for...&quot; aren&#039;t valid when delivered on behalf of the Bush administration. Bush explicitly claims unlimited power with regard to matters of national security, and if anything is, surely the largest port in the country and 25% of our oil refining capacity is. Certainly jurisdiction over it has been assigned to the agency made specifically for matters of national security. If the survival of New Orleans and its people matter to the war effort, then the Bush administration has complete authority to do as it wishes - to require New Orleans and Louisiana to make plans and pay for them, to run its own plan, to requisition forces, to deputize forces, anything at all. 

It doesn&#039;t much matter whether I personally agree with the general doctrine of presidential supremacy in times like this. The fact is that Bush does, and his attorneys back him up, and the whole weight of the executive is behind it, and the legislative seems to be willing to along with it. So they have no excuse &lt;i&gt;by their actual standard&lt;/i&gt; for this kind of problem.

The question of what some other administration with a different view of executive power might do is an altogether separate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know I&#8217;m not the first to point this out, but&#8230;</p>

	<p>Objections in the general form of &#8220;there&#8217;s no clear constitutional authority for&#8230;&#8221; aren&#8217;t valid when delivered on behalf of the Bush administration. Bush explicitly claims unlimited power with regard to matters of national security, and if anything is, surely the largest port in the country and 25% of our oil refining capacity is. Certainly jurisdiction over it has been assigned to the agency made specifically for matters of national security. If the survival of New Orleans and its people matter to the war effort, then the Bush administration has complete authority to do as it wishes &#8211; to require New Orleans and Louisiana to make plans and pay for them, to run its own plan, to requisition forces, to deputize forces, anything at all.</p>

	<p>It doesn&#8217;t much matter whether I personally agree with the general doctrine of presidential supremacy in times like this. The fact is that Bush does, and his attorneys back him up, and the whole weight of the executive is behind it, and the legislative seems to be willing to along with it. So they have no excuse <i>by their actual standard</i> for this kind of problem.</p>

	<p>The question of what some other administration with a different view of executive power might do is an altogether separate issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Firebug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96534</link>
		<dc:creator>Firebug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clark goble: &lt;i&gt;While I think there’s a lot of blame to point at FEMA in all this, as well as the President’s and Congress’ reformulation of FEMA after 9/11. But surely FEMA has no authority due to the way the constitution is set up to simply create and implement a plan independent of the city and execute independent of the city authorities and especially the police.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh please. The Constitution hasn&#039;t been interpreted that way since the 1930s, despite what you might fervently desire. Whether you agree or not, the vast majority of Americans do believe that disaster relief should be a Federal responsibility. First and foremost, only the Feds actually have the resources to perform these functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>clark goble: <i>While I think there&#8217;s a lot of blame to point at <span class="caps">FEMA</span> in all this, as well as the President&#8217;s and Congress&#8217; reformulation of <span class="caps">FEMA</span> after 9/11. But surely <span class="caps">FEMA</span> has no authority due to the way the constitution is set up to simply create and implement a plan independent of the city and execute independent of the city authorities and especially the police.</i></p>

	<p>Oh please. The Constitution hasn&#8217;t been interpreted that way since the 1930s, despite what you might fervently desire. Whether you agree or not, the vast majority of Americans do believe that disaster relief should be a Federal responsibility. First and foremost, only the Feds actually have the resources to perform these functions.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, there&#039;s nothing to be done. While it&#039;s possible that the city could have been saved had we been as practical and efficient as the Dutch, we&#039;re not. We&#039;re Americans, the greatest nation on the planet, but we can&#039;t actually take care of problems we&#039;ve known about for decades.

Since there was nothing anyone could do to prevent this from happening, it&#039;s perfectly clear that once it did happen no one should be blamed for a nearly complete failure to offer timely aid and assistance to the survivors, even though we&#039;ve demonstrated such an ability on numerous occasions in the recent past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In other words, there&#8217;s nothing to be done. While it&#8217;s possible that the city could have been saved had we been as practical and efficient as the Dutch, we&#8217;re not. We&#8217;re Americans, the greatest nation on the planet, but we can&#8217;t actually take care of problems we&#8217;ve known about for decades.</p>

	<p>Since there was nothing anyone could do to prevent this from happening, it&#8217;s perfectly clear that once it did happen no one should be blamed for a nearly complete failure to offer timely aid and assistance to the survivors, even though we&#8217;ve demonstrated such an ability on numerous occasions in the recent past.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 04:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evacuation was never going to be practical. If you call the evacuation, however well organized, in time you&#039;re calling it when the odds of the storm hitting are still pretty low. While the rational individual will leave when told there&#039;s a 10% chance he&#039;s going to drown if he stays at home, the rational government cannot spend this much money and mobilize this many resources to move this many people out on a 10% chance. It&#039;s just politically impossible. 

And whatever you want to say about the rescue efforts since Monday, if the huuricane hadn&#039;t weakened and shifted east, there would be ALMOST NO ONE TO RESCUE. Of the three phases that had to go wrong for this to happen, (1) prevention, (2) evacuation, and (3) response, only the first had any realistic possibility of stopping a mass tragedy if NO number came up in the hurricane roulette wheel. And if someone deserves the blame for not building higher and thicker levees, that blame is spread over several decades, two political parties, and three levels of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Evacuation was never going to be practical. If you call the evacuation, however well organized, in time you&#8217;re calling it when the odds of the storm hitting are still pretty low. While the rational individual will leave when told there&#8217;s a 10% chance he&#8217;s going to drown if he stays at home, the rational government cannot spend this much money and mobilize this many resources to move this many people out on a 10% chance. It&#8217;s just politically impossible.</p>

	<p>And whatever you want to say about the rescue efforts since Monday, if the huuricane hadn&#8217;t weakened and shifted east, there would be <span class="caps">ALMOST NO ONE TO RESCUE</span>. Of the three phases that had to go wrong for this to happen, (1) prevention, (2) evacuation, and (3) response, only the first had any realistic possibility of stopping a mass tragedy if NO number came up in the hurricane roulette wheel. And if someone deserves the blame for not building higher and thicker levees, that blame is spread over several decades, two political parties, and three levels of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Pohl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Pohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 03:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>y81, you are so obsessed with France, you&#039;d clearly be happier living there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>y81, you are so obsessed with France, you&#8217;d clearly be happier living there.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96403</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;McManus: as I understand it, many of these people lived at a poverty level where they might not have $10 at their free disposal, let alone $50.&lt;/i&gt;

Very, very, very true.

BTW, most drug dealers make so little net that they live at home with their mothers -- though it is important to remember that most of these people (the huge, huge majority) are not drug dealers or any other kind of criminal.

(People can&#039;t survive by selling drugs to each other any more than you can get full employment by having everyone wash their neighbor&#039;s laundry).

BTW, is there a reliable central site that tells how many refugees are going to each state.  It is pretty easy to find out how many are going to Dallas, but hard to determine how many are going to San Francisco (for example) or Portland.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>McManus: as I understand it, many of these people lived at a poverty level where they might not have $10 at their free disposal, let alone $50.</i></p>

	<p>Very, very, very true.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, most drug dealers make so little net that they live at home with their mothers&#8212;though it is important to remember that most of these people (the huge, huge majority) are not drug dealers or any other kind of criminal.</p>

	<p>(People can&#8217;t survive by selling drugs to each other any more than you can get full employment by having everyone wash their neighbor&#8217;s laundry).</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, is there a reliable central site that tells how many refugees are going to each state.  It is pretty easy to find out how many are going to Dallas, but hard to determine how many are going to San Francisco (for example) or Portland.</p>

	<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom T.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96400</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone has to see the DVD firsthand.  They may have thought that as long as they could get it out to people and organizations (churches, bars, barber/beauty shops) that do have DVD players, combined with showings at schools and local political meetings, the city&#039;s message would have spread through the community.

(This is not to say that the distribution of the DVD was an adequate response, or that government at all levels should not have done more.  I&#039;m just addressing the not-everyone-has-DVD-players point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not everyone has to see the <span class="caps">DVD</span> firsthand.  They may have thought that as long as they could get it out to people and organizations (churches, bars, barber/beauty shops) that do have <span class="caps">DVD</span> players, combined with showings at schools and local political meetings, the city&#8217;s message would have spread through the community.</p>

	<p>(This is not to say that the distribution of the <span class="caps">DVD</span> was an adequate response, or that government at all levels should not have done more.  I&#8217;m just addressing the not-everyone-has-DVD-players point).</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McManus: as I understand it, many of these people lived at a poverty level where they might not have $10 at their free disposal, let alone $50. 

The media by giving the impression that all inner-city black people are criminals and drug dealers has also given the impression that all of them have a lot of ill-gotten money to dispose of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McManus: as I understand it, many of these people lived at a poverty level where they might not have $10 at their free disposal, let alone $50.</p>

	<p>The media by giving the impression that all inner-city black people are criminals and drug dealers has also given the impression that all of them have a lot of ill-gotten money to dispose of.</p>
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		<title>By: bob mcmanus</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96392</link>
		<dc:creator>bob mcmanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, it seems possible to me that many people who don’t have cars might not have DVD players.&quot;

You can get a decent new DVD player for less than $50. Computer units, S30-40. Aftermarket, such as it is, $10-20. In a given neighborhood, I would expect there to be quite a few, for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But, it seems possible to me that many people who don&#8217;t have cars might not have <span class="caps">DVD</span> players.&#8221;</p>

	<p>You can get a decent new <span class="caps">DVD</span> player for less than $50. Computer units, <span class="caps">S30</span>-40. Aftermarket, such as it is, $10-20. In a given neighborhood, I would expect there to be quite a few, for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: ArchPundit</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/05/every-man-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-96391</link>
		<dc:creator>ArchPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me state clearly that while I&#039;ve watched Nagin a lot during the time, I doubt anyone is blameless--everyone has some fault in this, but I think scapegoating him as the primary person is unfair.  

In terms of FEMA and the Constitutional argument, sure, there could be some technical legal issues there, but Blanco asked for federal help on the 27th and FEMA was just getting in touch with some parishes and towns in Mississippi on Saturday.  Blanco certainly has made some significant mistakes and I don&#039;t hold her blameless at all, but if you are the President, don&#039;t you call and ask if you can send some rescue helicopters from Northcom?  

Add to that FEMA&#039;s issues of blocking several things like deliveries and it seems hard to say the Feds weren&#039;t already controlling a lot of those decisions so in that case--aren&#039;t they already in a position of taking some control? I&#039;m honestly confused about that.

There&#039;s a lot more we&#039;ll learn and like I said, no one is going to come out looking good.  

On the DVDs---the problem is that to get a station to run it is really hard.  And honestly, if its on over the air, people will turn it off. 

I&#039;ve done some evaluation work on trying to reach similar audiences with some child care programming and the focus group findings were that there were specific media you could hit with short messages, but longer programs would be ignored.  

Second, the target was churches and other organizations first---remember the idea was to create networks were people could make plans with fellow church members.  The other thing--DVDs are relatively cheap to reproduce compared to other types of communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let me state clearly that while I&#8217;ve watched Nagin a lot during the time, I doubt anyone is blameless&#8212;everyone has some fault in this, but I think scapegoating him as the primary person is unfair.</p>

	<p>In terms of <span class="caps">FEMA</span> and the Constitutional argument, sure, there could be some technical legal issues there, but Blanco asked for federal help on the 27th and <span class="caps">FEMA</span> was just getting in touch with some parishes and towns in Mississippi on Saturday.  Blanco certainly has made some significant mistakes and I don&#8217;t hold her blameless at all, but if you are the President, don&#8217;t you call and ask if you can send some rescue helicopters from Northcom?</p>

	<p>Add to that <span class="caps">FEMA</span>&#8217;s issues of blocking several things like deliveries and it seems hard to say the Feds weren&#8217;t already controlling a lot of those decisions so in that case&#8212;aren&#8217;t they already in a position of taking some control? I&#8217;m honestly confused about that.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s a lot more we&#8217;ll learn and like I said, no one is going to come out looking good.</p>

	<p>On the DVDs&#8212;-the problem is that to get a station to run it is really hard.  And honestly, if its on over the air, people will turn it off.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve done some evaluation work on trying to reach similar audiences with some child care programming and the focus group findings were that there were specific media you could hit with short messages, but longer programs would be ignored.</p>

	<p>Second, the target was churches and other organizations first&#8212;-remember the idea was to create networks were people could make plans with fellow church members.  The other thing&#8212;DVDs are relatively cheap to reproduce compared to other types of communication.</p>
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		<title>By: y81</title>
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		<dc:creator>y81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, michael cross, obviously you feel strongly, for reasons unclear, but your case would be more persuasive if you explained how much better the French government treats its old people without air conditioners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, michael cross, obviously you feel strongly, for reasons unclear, but your case would be more persuasive if you explained how much better the French government treats its old people without air conditioners.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do many people who don&#039;t have cars have DVD players?  I&#039;m not asking to be smart here, I&#039;m really wondering.  I don&#039;t have a car and I have a DVD player, but that&#039;s because I don&#039;t really need a car and it would be more trouble than good to me where I live and someone gave me a DVD player.  But, it seems possible to me that many people who don&#039;t have cars might not have DVD players.  Why not just show this on TV?  I don&#039;t really get it.  Do others have any idea on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Do many people who don&#8217;t have cars have <span class="caps">DVD</span> players?  I&#8217;m not asking to be smart here, I&#8217;m really wondering.  I don&#8217;t have a car and I have a <span class="caps">DVD</span> player, but that&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t really need a car and it would be more trouble than good to me where I live and someone gave me a <span class="caps">DVD</span> player.  But, it seems possible to me that many people who don&#8217;t have cars might not have <span class="caps">DVD</span> players.  Why not just show this on TV?  I don&#8217;t really get it.  Do others have any idea on this?</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure how big a deal this will turn out to be, but I saw on Fox that while the MS governor immediately declared martial law and called in the national guard, LA declared their equivalent to martial law but was hesitant to give police powers to their national guard.  I wonder if the police being left to hang without military support was a major reason they quit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not sure how big a deal this will turn out to be, but I saw on Fox that while the MS governor immediately declared martial law and called in the national guard, LA declared their equivalent to martial law but was hesitant to give police powers to their national guard.  I wonder if the police being left to hang without military support was a major reason they quit?</p>
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