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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97759</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shinypenny,
I know it will eventually come out during the investigation (if Hillary doesn&#039;t get her way), but should we believe two news sources quoting the Red Cross or should we believe the Red Cross?  And I&#039;m not sure I believe most newspapers are capable of telling a state DHS agency from the federal one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>shinypenny,<br />
I know it will eventually come out during the investigation (if Hillary doesn&#8217;t get her way), but should we believe two news sources quoting the Red Cross or should we believe the Red Cross?  And I&#8217;m not sure I believe most newspapers are capable of telling a state <span class="caps">DHS</span> agency from the federal one.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97611</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story has been reproduced in other places, so I&#039;ve put in the link Making Light used as an alternative in case the first one stays broken. Thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The story has been reproduced in other places, so I&#8217;ve put in the link Making Light used as an alternative in case the first one stays broken. Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Lepley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97609</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Lepley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the link?  It worked a few hours ago for me, but now it doesn&#039;t -- particularly exasperating, as I wanted others to read this story.  It needs to be told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What happened to the link?  It worked a few hours ago for me, but now it doesn&#8217;t&#8212;particularly exasperating, as I wanted others to read this story.  It needs to be told.</p>
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97574</link>
		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There was no need for a plan to commit this crime. All that was needed was a police force full of Old South crackers&lt;/i&gt;

Well, it may have helped. But the effort to block people from going out seems to have been lasting, and organized. And even a racist cop would know the risk he&#039;s taking by blocking roads without backing from his hierarchy.

And this was applied from early on, instead of helping people.

For me, the explanation is simply that the unsaid consensus among right wingers (poor+black+too-dumb-to-follow-instruction=riotous) was acted upon. 

I just wonder who exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>There was no need for a plan to commit this crime. All that was needed was a police force full of Old South crackers</i></p>

	<p>Well, it may have helped. But the effort to block people from going out seems to have been lasting, and organized. And even a racist cop would know the risk he&#8217;s taking by blocking roads without backing from his hierarchy.</p>

	<p>And this was applied from early on, instead of helping people.</p>

	<p>For me, the explanation is simply that the unsaid consensus among right wingers (poor+black+too-dumb-to-follow-instruction=riotous) was acted upon.</p>

	<p>I just wonder who exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: shinypenny</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97465</link>
		<dc:creator>shinypenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there are many news reports that finger FEMA     for blocking aid into New Orleans:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/weather/orl-caneboats0205sep02,0,312889.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;But the Federal Emergency Management Agency will not authorize the airboaters to enter New Orleans. Without that permission, they would be subject to arrest and would not receive security and support services.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

I have no doubt that the Red Cross is under significant pressure from FEMA to minimize the latter&#039;s role in blocking their access to New Orleans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And there are many news reports that finger <span class="caps">FEMA    </span> for blocking aid into New Orleans:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.&#8221;</a></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/weather/orl-caneboats0205sep02,0,312889.story" rel="nofollow">&#8220;But the Federal Emergency Management Agency will not authorize the airboaters to enter New Orleans. Without that permission, they would be subject to arrest and would not receive security and support services.&#8221;</a></p>

	<p>I have no doubt that the Red Cross is under significant pressure from <span class="caps">FEMA</span> to minimize the latter&#8217;s role in blocking their access to New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97455</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quote the American Red Cross &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The &lt;strong&gt;state&lt;/strong&gt; [as in &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; federal] Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

It also appears it was the state government that kept people from walking out.  Looks like FEMA didn&#039;t have a chance to screw up too much, the state government did all that was possible.  

I also ponder why Hillary&#039;s bill to investigate this massacre only wants a federal investigation, while Frist&#039;s bill wants a top-to bottom, no rock left unturned investigation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I quote the American Red Cross &#8220;<a href="http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html" rel="nofollow">The <strong>state</strong> [as in <strong>not</strong> federal] Homeland Security Department had requested&#8212;and continues to request&#8212;that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.</a>&#8221;</p>

	<p>It also appears it was the state government that kept people from walking out.  Looks like <span class="caps">FEMA</span> didn&#8217;t have a chance to screw up too much, the state government did all that was possible.</p>

	<p>I also ponder why Hillary&#8217;s bill to investigate this massacre only wants a federal investigation, while Frist&#8217;s bill wants a top-to bottom, no rock left unturned investigation?</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97453</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My question to you all, is when this police force is sued (and hopefully criminally charged with interfering with a mandatory evacuation order), will you donate to the legal offense fund? And if a year from now there are demonstrations, will you join?&lt;/i&gt;

Criminal charges are handled by prosecutors -- no donations are needed (or useful).  As for civil suits -- I&#039;ll be amazed if there aren&#039;t lawyers falling all over eachoter to take high-profile (and, probabably, high-reward) cases like this on contingency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>My question to you all, is when this police force is sued (and hopefully criminally charged with interfering with a mandatory evacuation order), will you donate to the legal offense fund? And if a year from now there are demonstrations, will you join?</i></p>

	<p>Criminal charges are handled by prosecutors&#8212;no donations are needed (or useful).  As for civil suits&#8212;I&#8217;ll be amazed if there aren&#8217;t lawyers falling all over eachoter to take high-profile (and, probabably, high-reward) cases like this on contingency.</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97449</link>
		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no need for a plan to commit this crime. All that was needed was a police force full of Old South crackers (face it, that&#039;s what Gretna&#039;s police proved itself to be) and no communication from the governor to make them behave like their country has a U and not a C in front of the S and A. We know the governor&#039;s a flake. My question to you all, is when this police force is sued (and hopefully criminally charged with interfering with a mandatory evacuation order), will you donate to the legal offense fund? And if a year from now there are demonstrations, will you join?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There was no need for a plan to commit this crime. All that was needed was a police force full of Old South crackers (face it, that&#8217;s what Gretna&#8217;s police proved itself to be) and no communication from the governor to make them behave like their country has a U and not a C in front of the S and A. We know the governor&#8217;s a flake. My question to you all, is when this police force is sued (and hopefully criminally charged with interfering with a mandatory evacuation order), will you donate to the legal offense fund? And if a year from now there are demonstrations, will you join?</p>
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97441</link>
		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is, the police/military was surely applying a plan, or at the very least had instructions, to block the ways out.

The death toll results from the flood, the disorganisation, and, maybe in a big proportion, from these instructions.

Who gave the orders? Who planned that?

Meanwhile, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Army Times&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; kindly informs us that they are all set to quell the &quot;insurgency&quot; from &quot;Little Somalia&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thing is, the police/military was surely applying a plan, or at the very least had instructions, to block the ways out.</p>

	<p>The death toll results from the flood, the disorganisation, and, maybe in a big proportion, from these instructions.</p>

	<p>Who gave the orders? Who planned that?</p>

	<p>Meanwhile, the <a href="http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php" rel="nofollow"><b>Army Times</b></a> kindly informs us that they are all set to quell the &#8220;insurgency&#8221; from &#8220;Little Somalia&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97437</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is frankly so weird I can&#039;t make sense of it.  In emergencies people are normally helpful.  Americans are normally helpful.  And a couple of trade unionists in town for a conference can&#039;t have done anything bad enough to get all the city officials furious at them (not that it would excuse their behaviour to abandoned citizens if they did.)  

These reports and the reports of FEMA&#039;s actions in stopping aid getting through make me start thinking that these organisations are just evil, like monsters in a horror movie.  I could understand the flooding and the people being trapped as being caused, like most big disasters, by a series of bad decisions and failures (not upgrading the levees, not having an evacuation plan for all the people who don&#039;t have cars, not having a disaster-resistant communications system, etc, etc), but once the disaster is recognised normally people start actually trying to help.  The officials in these stories appear to be doing the opposite.  They should be given the organisational equivalent of being dragged out behind the barn, shot with silver bullets, staked through the heart, the head cut off, the body burned and the ashes thrown into the fires of Mt Doom.  They are so dysfunctional and evil this is the only way I can see to start putting things right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is frankly so weird I can&#8217;t make sense of it.  In emergencies people are normally helpful.  Americans are normally helpful.  And a couple of trade unionists in town for a conference can&#8217;t have done anything bad enough to get all the city officials furious at them (not that it would excuse their behaviour to abandoned citizens if they did.)</p>

	<p>These reports and the reports of <span class="caps">FEMA</span>&#8217;s actions in stopping aid getting through make me start thinking that these organisations are just evil, like monsters in a horror movie.  I could understand the flooding and the people being trapped as being caused, like most big disasters, by a series of bad decisions and failures (not upgrading the levees, not having an evacuation plan for all the people who don&#8217;t have cars, not having a disaster-resistant communications system, etc, etc), but once the disaster is recognised normally people start actually trying to help.  The officials in these stories appear to be doing the opposite.  They should be given the organisational equivalent of being dragged out behind the barn, shot with silver bullets, staked through the heart, the head cut off, the body burned and the ashes thrown into the fires of Mt Doom.  They are so dysfunctional and evil this is the only way I can see to start putting things right.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97242</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Down with the pigs. Bring the Black Panthers back.</description>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97227</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just judging from my personal experience with the police, their behavior was completely normal.  What?  Were we under the impression that cops were generally good people willing to give a band of strangers the benefit of the doubt?  You have to be at least a bit psychotic to be a cop, it comes with the badge.  Anyway you cut it, (if this account is true) those cops and sheriffs who ordered citizens to be turned back should all be fired and prosecuted for a minimum of manslaughter.  And what&#039;s up with cops going all military on us and calling us &quot;civilians&quot;?  We&#039;re fark&#039;n CITIZENS, bastards.

I blame the War on Drugs for turning Andy Griffith into the Rodney King beaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just judging from my personal experience with the police, their behavior was completely normal.  What?  Were we under the impression that cops were generally good people willing to give a band of strangers the benefit of the doubt?  You have to be at least a bit psychotic to be a cop, it comes with the badge.  Anyway you cut it, (if this account is true) those cops and sheriffs who ordered citizens to be turned back should all be fired and prosecuted for a minimum of manslaughter.  And what&#8217;s up with cops going all military on us and calling us &#8220;civilians&#8221;?  We&#8217;re fark&#8217;n <span class="caps">CITIZENS</span>, bastards.</p>

	<p>I blame the War on Drugs for turning Andy Griffith into the Rodney King beaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/08/surviving-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-97223</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this via a link over at Making Light. Simply incredible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I read this via a link over at Making Light. Simply incredible.</p>
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