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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-99178</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jet, two things about re-enlistment stats - first, the Army has jiggered the figures before, dropping quotas when it was clear that they weren&#039;t going to be met.  Second, if you&#039;re offered a re-up bonus for re-enlisting, or transfer to a stopped-loss unit if you don&#039;t re-enlist, which would you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jet, two things about re-enlistment stats &#8211; first, the Army has jiggered the figures before, dropping quotas when it was clear that they weren&#8217;t going to be met.  Second, if you&#8217;re offered a re-up bonus for re-enlisting, or transfer to a stopped-loss unit if you don&#8217;t re-enlist, which would you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98723</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys all have the wrong attitude. There is more joy in heaven when one Bush-apologist repenteth than for all the sheep safely in the shrill fold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You guys all have the wrong attitude. There is more joy in heaven when one Bush-apologist repenteth than for all the sheep safely in the shrill fold.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98509</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I overstepped with the reference to Instapundit, and I apologize for it.

When I made the comment, I didn&#039;t really have the sites&#039; respective owners in mind, so much as some of their more colorful commentators. That was before I remembered that Instapundit doesn&#039;t even have comments.

&lt;i&gt;Mea culpa.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, I overstepped with the reference to Instapundit, and I apologize for it.</p>

	<p>When I made the comment, I didn&#8217;t really have the sites&#8217; respective owners in mind, so much as some of their more colorful commentators. That was before I remembered that Instapundit doesn&#8217;t even have comments.</p>

	<p><i>Mea culpa.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Burton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98507</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uncle kvetch: your suggestion that Instapundit would  ever use the phrase &quot;pole-smoking faggot&quot; really was quite stupid and offensive. Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>uncle kvetch: your suggestion that Instapundit would  ever use the phrase &#8220;pole-smoking faggot&#8221; really was quite stupid and offensive. Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98506</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daen,
Not to split hairs, but the Army almost always missed its enlistment goals when the economy turned up.  

And the implications of this quote from your link go beyond the enlistment debate:&lt;blockquote&gt;The general did say the Army has surpassed its re-enlistment projections so far for fiscal year 2005. The Army&#039;s active duty re-enlistment rate is 107 percent of projected estimates, with 58,480 soldiers re-enlisting between Oct. 1, 2004 and July 31, 2005. The Army was hoping to re-enlist 54,510 soldiers during that time. Lovelace said the Army National Guard and Reserve re-enlistment rates are also exceeding 100 percent of projections.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why are so many re-enlisting? (maybe CT will tackle this one some day)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>daen,<br />
Not to split hairs, but the Army almost always missed its enlistment goals when the economy turned up.</p>

	<p>And the implications of this quote from your link go beyond the enlistment debate:<blockquote>The general did say the Army has surpassed its re-enlistment projections so far for fiscal year 2005. The Army&#8217;s active duty re-enlistment rate is 107 percent of projected estimates, with 58,480 soldiers re-enlisting between Oct. 1, 2004 and July 31, 2005. The Army was hoping to re-enlist 54,510 soldiers during that time. Lovelace said the Army National Guard and Reserve re-enlistment rates are also exceeding 100 percent of projections.</blockquote>Why are so many re-enlisting? (maybe CT will tackle this one some day)</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98469</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re beautiful when you&#039;re angry, Jet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re beautiful when you&#8217;re angry, Jet.</p>
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		<title>By: W.B. Reeves</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98468</link>
		<dc:creator>W.B. Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jet:

&quot;Bush’s ratings won’t move much at all and will probably recover as the details of what went wrong come out. And this recovery will be along philosophical lines.&quot;

This assumes that nothing else goes wrong. Hardly a safe bet at this point.

&quot;And this recovery will be along philosophical lines. Those on the right tend to believe that laws and ideas are worth dieing for in the ancient Greek philosophy (which until a few years ago I thought was universal in America).&quot;

You thought that Greek philosophy was a universal belief in America? Forget what country you&#039;re from. What planet are you from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jet:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s ratings won&#8217;t move much at all and will probably recover as the details of what went wrong come out. And this recovery will be along philosophical lines.&#8221;</p>

	<p>This assumes that nothing else goes wrong. Hardly a safe bet at this point.</p>

	<p>&#8220;And this recovery will be along philosophical lines. Those on the right tend to believe that laws and ideas are worth dieing for in the ancient Greek philosophy (which until a few years ago I thought was universal in America).&#8221;</p>

	<p>You thought that Greek philosophy was a universal belief in America? Forget what country you&#8217;re from. What planet are you from?</p>
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		<title>By: Dæn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98467</link>
		<dc:creator>Dæn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jet, you&#039;re really doing the right a disservice with your poor logic and name-calling.

&lt;i&gt;Those on the right tend to believe that laws and ideas are worth dieing for in the ancient Greek philosophy (which until a few years ago I thought was universal in America). &lt;/i&gt;

Those on the right &lt;i&gt;say&lt;/i&gt; they&#039;d die for lots of things, I&#039;m sure. But the proof is in the recruitment numbers, which continue to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166490,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fall short&lt;/a&gt; every month.

&lt;i&gt;Those on the left believe in fairy tales and “right makes right” as long as that right is saving puppy dogs (can you say Kosovo).&lt;/i&gt;

Using schoolboy-caliber insults to accuse your opponents of juvenilia, how rich. As for Kosovo, the left generally didn&#039;t support it at all: 

&quot;Many on the left of Western politics saw the NATO campaign as US aggression and imperialism, while critics on the right considered it irrelevant to their countries&#039; national security &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interests.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Since FEMA hasn’t really failed&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/12603544.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/09/04/femas-handing-of-katrinas-aftermath-is-obscene/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://chris.pirillo.com/blog/_archives/2005/9/4/1197651.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_20057.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110007201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;call&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/07/katrina.congress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;success?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jet, you&#8217;re really doing the right a disservice with your poor logic and name-calling.</p>

	<p><i>Those on the right tend to believe that laws and ideas are worth dieing for in the ancient Greek philosophy (which until a few years ago I thought was universal in America). </i></p>

	<p>Those on the right <i>say</i> they&#8217;d die for lots of things, I&#8217;m sure. But the proof is in the recruitment numbers, which continue to <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166490,00.html" rel="nofollow">fall short</a> every month.</p>

	<p><i>Those on the left believe in fairy tales and &#8220;right makes right&#8221; as long as that right is saving puppy dogs (can you say Kosovo).</i></p>

	<p>Using schoolboy-caliber insults to accuse your opponents of juvenilia, how rich. As for Kosovo, the left generally didn&#8217;t support it at all:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Many on the left of Western politics saw the <span class="caps">NATO</span> campaign as US aggression and imperialism, while critics on the right considered it irrelevant to their countries&#8217; national security <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War" rel="nofollow">interests.</a>&#8221;</p>

	<p><i>Since <span class="caps">FEMA</span> hasn&#8217;t really failed</i></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/12603544.htm" rel="nofollow">Is</a> <a href="http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/09/04/femas-handing-of-katrinas-aftermath-is-obscene/" rel="nofollow">this</a> <a href="http://chris.pirillo.com/blog/_archives/2005/9/4/1197651.html" rel="nofollow">what</a> <a href="http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_20057.shtml" rel="nofollow">you</a> <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110007201" rel="nofollow">call</a> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/07/katrina.congress/" rel="nofollow">success?</a></p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98463</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush&#039;s ratings won&#039;t move much at all and will probably recover as the details of what went wrong come out.  And this recovery will be along philosophical lines.  Those on the right tend to believe that laws and ideas are worth dieing for in the ancient Greek philosophy (which until a few years ago I thought was universal in America).  So they will say that Bush had no authority to rectify LA&#039;s mistakes.  Those on the left believe in fairy tales and &quot;right makes right&quot; as long as that right is saving puppy dogs (can you say Kosovo).  So they believe Bush is ultimately to blame no matter how bad LA screwed up because he could have ordered the 82nd Airborne to save everyone.  Since FEMA hasn&#039;t really failed (no matter how much Bush set it up for failure), the left has to attack him for LA&#039;s failures.  And that is why Bush&#039;s numbers will go up from here.


Abb1,
Hillary Clinton is way right of Bush on Illegal Immigrants, so I don&#039;t think he has that card left to play.

Uncle Kvetch,
&quot; “a bunch of pole-smoking faggots” making the rounds on InstaPuffball...&quot; do you actually read Instapundit, or are you just an il-informed asshat?  The idea that Instapundit would call its ideological opponents &quot;pole-smoking faggots&quot; is beyond ridiculous.  You on the other hand have no  problem going there.  Projection anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bush&#8217;s ratings won&#8217;t move much at all and will probably recover as the details of what went wrong come out.  And this recovery will be along philosophical lines.  Those on the right tend to believe that laws and ideas are worth dieing for in the ancient Greek philosophy (which until a few years ago I thought was universal in America).  So they will say that Bush had no authority to rectify LA&#8217;s mistakes.  Those on the left believe in fairy tales and &#8220;right makes right&#8221; as long as that right is saving puppy dogs (can you say Kosovo).  So they believe Bush is ultimately to blame no matter how bad LA screwed up because he could have ordered the 82nd Airborne to save everyone.  Since <span class="caps">FEMA</span> hasn&#8217;t really failed (no matter how much Bush set it up for failure), the left has to attack him for LA&#8217;s failures.  And that is why Bush&#8217;s numbers will go up from here.</p>


	<p>Abb1,<br />
Hillary Clinton is way right of Bush on Illegal Immigrants, so I don&#8217;t think he has that card left to play.</p>

	<p>Uncle Kvetch,<br />
&#8221; &#8220;a bunch of pole-smoking faggots&#8221; making the rounds on InstaPuffball&#8230;&#8221; do you actually read Instapundit, or are you just an il-informed asshat?  The idea that Instapundit would call its ideological opponents &#8220;pole-smoking faggots&#8221; is beyond ridiculous.  You on the other hand have no  problem going there.  Projection anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98436</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so it was Tony Snow, not Olympia. I thought I missed something when I read &quot;&lt;i&gt;Bush defenders like Snow&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.

Well, I think they still have a couple of aces up their sleeve: crackdown on illegal Mexicans, for example. Gay marriage&#039;s still good. Enviros driving gas prices up. Who knows what else. Don&#039;t write them off just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, so it was Tony Snow, not Olympia. I thought I missed something when I read &#8220;<i>Bush defenders like Snow</i>&#8220;.</p>

	<p>Well, I think they still have a couple of aces up their sleeve: crackdown on illegal Mexicans, for example. Gay marriage&#8217;s still good. Enviros driving gas prices up. Who knows what else. Don&#8217;t write them off just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98313</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-burditt10sep10,0,3141457.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;L.A. Times&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007095.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Drum&lt;/a&gt;?

A reporter sets out to interview NASCAR dads, skips those who speak Spanish, dallies with the dollies, and comes up with this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I asked him, &quot;So you vote Republican?&quot; &quot;Yep,&quot; he replied. &quot;Always?&quot; &quot;Pretty much.&quot; &quot;So you like Bush?&quot; &quot;Before or after the hurricane?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anybody read the <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-burditt10sep10,0,3141457.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions" rel="nofollow">L.A. Times</a> or <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007095.php" rel="nofollow">Kevin Drum</a>?</p>

	<p>A reporter sets out to interview <span class="caps">NASCAR</span> dads, skips those who speak Spanish, dallies with the dollies, and comes up with this:</p>

	<p><blockquote>I asked him, &#8220;So you vote Republican?&#8221; &#8220;Yep,&#8221; he replied. &#8220;Always?&#8221; &#8220;Pretty much.&#8221; &#8220;So you like Bush?&#8221; &#8220;Before or after the hurricane?&#8221;</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: DS</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98307</link>
		<dc:creator>DS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A cakewalk!</description>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98290</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can’t do anything about Bush, obviously, but he might be in the process of destroying the Republican party for a generation or two.&lt;/i&gt;

Tricky, tricky. It really does take something exceptional to swing Congress these days. Factor in gerrymandering and the pork-generating role of local incumbents and unseating a long-term congresscritter is a bit like invading and occupying a small country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Can&#8217;t do anything about Bush, obviously, but he might be in the process of destroying the Republican party for a generation or two.</i></p>

	<p>Tricky, tricky. It really does take something exceptional to swing Congress these days. Factor in gerrymandering and the pork-generating role of local incumbents and unseating a long-term congresscritter is a bit like invading and occupying a small country.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis X. Machina</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98289</link>
		<dc:creator>Davis X. Machina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The people who think Bush is Jesus.&lt;/i&gt;

This is easily shown to be &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.bushfish.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no exaggeration&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The people who think Bush is Jesus.</i></p>

	<p>This is easily shown to be <a HREF="http://www.bushfish.org" rel="nofollow">no exaggeration</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dæn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/10/charging-rinos/comment-page-1/#comment-98286</link>
		<dc:creator>Dæn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What good does this do now? “This administration” has already been selected for its second term. The only possible thing that Bainbridge could do for accountability is to stop voting for other Republicans—which he carefully avoided mentioning.&lt;/i&gt;

Unpopular presidents generally have a more difficult time realizing their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What good does this do now? &#8220;This administration&#8221; has already been selected for its second term. The only possible thing that Bainbridge could do for accountability is to stop voting for other Republicans&#8212;which he carefully avoided mentioning.</i></p>

	<p>Unpopular presidents generally have a more difficult time realizing their agenda.</p>
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