Comments on: Power to the people http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:39:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Charlie B. http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99798 Charlie B. Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:20:34 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99798 European ParliamentPolitical Bodies: Conference of Presidents.http://www.europarl.eu.int/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=45&pageRank=7<b>The Bureau.</b> The Bureau is made up of the President of the European Parliament, the 14 Vice-Presidents and the five Quaestors, with observer status, elected by the assembly for a renewable period of two and a half years....The five Quaestors sit on the Bureau in an advisory capacity. They ensure that Members have the infrastructure necessary to exercise their mandate.No attempt to de-mystify this garbage. European ParliamentPolitical Bodies: Conference of Presidents.http://www.europarl.eu.int/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=45&pageRank=7The Bureau. The Bureau is made up of the President of the European Parliament, the 14 Vice-Presidents and the five Quaestors, with observer status, elected by the assembly for a renewable period of two and a half years….The five Quaestors sit on the Bureau in an advisory capacity. They ensure that Members have the infrastructure necessary to exercise their mandate.No attempt to de-mystify this garbage.

]]> By: Charlie B. http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99797 Charlie B. Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:13:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99797 "There are no more excuses for being unengaged." Right, and I'm a glass of California orange juice. “There are no more excuses for being unengaged.” Right, and I’m a glass of California orange juice.

]]> By: Paula http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99534 Paula Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:14:54 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99534 I'm with Dennis. The site is not based on outmoded code and design. It neither validates nor provides for accessibility. So very 1990s. If you're looking for a model, this isn't it. I’m with Dennis. The site is not based on outmoded code and design. It neither validates nor provides for accessibility. So very 1990s. If you’re looking for a model, this isn’t it.

]]> By: Maria http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99426 Maria Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:02:19 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99426 Nice straw man Peter. However, the people calling for accountability of bloggers were the journalists, not the 'EU', whatever that is. Nice straw man Peter. However, the people calling for accountability of bloggers were the journalists, not the ‘EU’, whatever that is.

]]> By: Peter Clay http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99418 Peter Clay Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:38:40 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99418 The sort of "accountability" they demand is that demanded from the BBC by Blair: not to expose the particularly embarrasing lies. To the EU, the idea that <i>unregulated</i> communication may be happening is horrifying. No doubt someone will start calling for quotas and filters to ensure that at least 50% of blogs read in France are in French. Meanwhile, the UK tabloids are more concerned about <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/14/weulaw14.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/14/ixnewstop.html" rel="nofollow">"activist judges" transferring criminal law to the EU</a> than blogging. The sort of “accountability” they demand is that demanded from the BBC by Blair: not to expose the particularly embarrasing lies. To the EU, the idea that unregulated communication may be happening is horrifying. No doubt someone will start calling for quotas and filters to ensure that at least 50% of blogs read in France are in French.

Meanwhile, the UK tabloids are more concerned about “activist judges” transferring criminal law to the EU than blogging.

]]> By: Maria http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99406 Maria Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:51:03 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99406 Thanks, Robin. Wow, it sounds like the debate could have been held 3 years ago, not last Monday. I saw Aidan White give a very good <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2003/12/16/wsis-better-late-than-never/#more-763" rel="nofollow">intervention </a>about freedom of expression at a UN session a couple of years go - but this week's session sounds like the usual old threatened and under-informed journalist approach to blogging. Pity. I wonder what these people would come up with if they ever thought through their cry for blogs to be made 'accountable' - seems to me bloggers and commenters are held a hell of a lot more accountable by other bloggers and commenters (and other media) than the traditional media are. Thanks, Robin. Wow, it sounds like the debate could have been held 3 years ago, not last Monday. I saw Aidan White give a very good intervention about freedom of expression at a UN session a couple of years go – but this week’s session sounds like the usual old threatened and under-informed journalist approach to blogging. Pity.

I wonder what these people would come up with if they ever thought through their cry for blogs to be made ‘accountable’ – seems to me bloggers and commenters are held a hell of a lot more accountable by other bloggers and commenters (and other media) than the traditional media are.

]]> By: Robin Grant http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99358 Robin Grant Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:38:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99358 Maria - <a href="http://www.europarl.eu.int/news/expert/infopress_page/058-255-255-9-37-909-20050912IPR00254-12-09-2005-2005--false/default_en.htm" rel="nofollow">here's the report on the blogging debate</a> - it doesn't look like we missed much... Maria – here’s the report on the blogging debate – it doesn’t look like we missed much…

]]> By: Dennis http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99172 Dennis Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:29:43 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99172 Well, if the website "should be a model for any similar organisation" you can at least make sure that the markup validate. Validation isn't just for fun, I guess. Well, if the website “should be a model for any similar organisation” you can at least make sure that the markup validate. Validation isn’t just for fun, I guess.

]]> By: des von bladet http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99169 des von bladet Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:10:27 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99169 It is much fun to twiddle the langwidge codes on these, for sure. (Dennis merely wishes to remark or observe that their markup doesn't validate. Sigh.) It is much fun to twiddle the langwidge codes on these, for sure.

(Dennis merely wishes to remark or observe that their markup doesn’t validate. Sigh.)

]]> By: P ONeill http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99166 P ONeill Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:08:20 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99166 <em>the English version homepage of the website is unavailable</em> As we speak, fevered Europhobic tabloid minds in London are doubtless working on an explanation. the English version homepage of the website is unavailable

As we speak, fevered Europhobic tabloid minds in London are doubtless working on an explanation.

]]> By: Maria http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99158 Maria Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:07:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99158 The main page has gone down since I posted - but the rest is working. So I've put some deep links in instead, and will revert back once the main page is up again. Thanks for spotting that honkyfive and kevin. The main page has gone down since I posted – but the rest is working. So I’ve put some deep links in instead, and will revert back once the main page is up again. Thanks for spotting that honkyfive and kevin.

]]> By: Dennis http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99155 Dennis Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:02:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99155 More <a href="http://www.allinthehead.com/retro/267/european-parliament-nil-point" rel="nofollow">here</a>. No kind words. More here. No kind words.

]]> By: Kevin Donoghue http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99154 Kevin Donoghue Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:51:49 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99154 Maybe in time it will justify your enthusiasm. When I went looking for information on the <a href="http://www.europarl.eu.int/news/public/story_page/032-989-255-9-37-904-20050819STO00988-2005-12-09-2005/default_en.htm" rel="nofollow">CAP</a> this is what I got: The requested resource (/news/public/story_page/.../default_en.htm) is not available. Maybe in time it will justify your enthusiasm. When I went looking for information on the CAP this is what I got:

The requested resource (/news/public/story_page/…/default_en.htm) is not available.

]]> By: honkyfive http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/comment-page-1/#comment-99153 honkyfive Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:48:45 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/14/power-to-the-people-3/#comment-99153 Sadly, either your link or the site itself doesn't work... :) Sadly, either your link or the site itself doesn’t work… :)

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