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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do put in a good word for Ray.</description>
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		<title>By: lalala</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101498</link>
		<dc:creator>lalala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the &quot;people in general who should get a MacArthur,&quot; I nominate the musician Tim Eriksen.  He&#039;s best-known (which is to say, somewhat known) for singing old american ballads and is considered  by many who are serious about &quot;folk&quot; music to be one of the best, if not the best, of his generation doing that.  He&#039;s also a multi-instrumentalist, playing excellent banjo and guitar and increasingly decent fiddle.  He has a history doing south indian classical music playing the vina and is I believe quite accomplished at that.  He&#039;s intellectually brilliant.

And he fits the preference for people who could actually use the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In the &#8220;people in general who should get a MacArthur,&#8221; I nominate the musician Tim Eriksen.  He&#8217;s best-known (which is to say, somewhat known) for singing old american ballads and is considered  by many who are serious about &#8220;folk&#8221; music to be one of the best, if not the best, of his generation doing that.  He&#8217;s also a multi-instrumentalist, playing excellent banjo and guitar and increasingly decent fiddle.  He has a history doing south indian classical music playing the vina and is I believe quite accomplished at that.  He&#8217;s intellectually brilliant.</p>

	<p>And he fits the preference for people who could actually use the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Davis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101487</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, though, Lessig and Doctorow and most activists already have &lt;i&gt;organizations&lt;/i&gt; that could get that money directly. I mean, you give EFF half a million dollars and I guarantee Cory will be very happy but probably not write his novels much differently. And the MacArthur was specifically for rugged (if chipped) individualism, right?

Anyway, whether he needs the money or not, Lethem is a dedicated, ambitious, and sincere artist. If the awarders were interested, there&#039;s probably someone closer to poverty and complete oblivion, but they could&#039;ve gone farther and found much much worse. I&#039;m glad he got it instead of David Brooks, Camille Paglia, or John &quot;Why aren&#039;t you writing about Henry James?&quot; Leonard, and for all we know those were the other choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The thing is, though, Lessig and Doctorow and most activists already have <i>organizations</i> that could get that money directly. I mean, you give <span class="caps">EFF</span> half a million dollars and I guarantee Cory will be very happy but probably not write his novels much differently. And the MacArthur was specifically for rugged (if chipped) individualism, right?</p>

	<p>Anyway, whether he needs the money or not, Lethem is a dedicated, ambitious, and sincere artist. If the awarders were interested, there&#8217;s probably someone closer to poverty and complete oblivion, but they could&#8217;ve gone farther and found much much worse. I&#8217;m glad he got it instead of David Brooks, Camille Paglia, or John &#8220;Why aren&#8217;t you writing about Henry James?&#8221; Leonard, and for all we know those were the other choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Muller</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101456</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isthatlegal.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I could use the money!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.isthatlegal.org" rel="nofollow">I could use the money!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Breymaier</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101256</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Breymaier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see more civil rights advocates and other activists getting these awards.  It would be great to see someone who&#039;s doign great work on policy or research rewarded for that.  Or, someone who comes up with real programs that help people.  $500,000 would make a tremendous difference in most cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d like to see more civil rights advocates and other activists getting these awards.  It would be great to see someone who&#8217;s doign great work on policy or research rewarded for that.  Or, someone who comes up with real programs that help people.  $500,000 would make a tremendous difference in most cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Davis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101235</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like and respect both Lethem and Doctorow, but both seem comfortably established at present. (And frankly, both were astoundingly productive even in less comfortable circumstances.) I don&#039;t know Berube, but he seems to enjoy his day job.

I think someone like Samuel R. Delany, on the other hand, would produce more work with a nest egg, assuming he didn&#039;t pull a Wittgenstein and give it all away. Kelly Link and Gavin Grant get by, but they have a solid record of doing good deeds with every bit of funding.

But I&#039;d be most excited about the money going to a complete wildcard like David Cleary (who? exactly.), or best of all to a comics artist. When I consider the effort they expend, the pathetic rewards they receive, and the lasting rewards they provide, they seem to me America&#039;s greatest source of cultural martyrs -- yes, even more than jazz musicians or experimental pulp writers.

Steve and Henry, thanks for the daydream. &lt;i&gt;Neuraesthetics! A Free Online Serial Intellectual Revolution! In Onegin Stanzas! And a Pony!&lt;/i&gt; Maybe Jonathan will put in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0ptl7LxRpXUJ:www.guardian.co.uk/online/talktime/story/0,13274,1133318,00.html+&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good word&lt;/a&gt; for me. Now, back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=5007&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;refactoring Java code&lt;/a&gt;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I like and respect both Lethem and Doctorow, but both seem comfortably established at present. (And frankly, both were astoundingly productive even in less comfortable circumstances.) I don&#8217;t know Berube, but he seems to enjoy his day job.</p>

	<p>I think someone like Samuel R. Delany, on the other hand, would produce more work with a nest egg, assuming he didn&#8217;t pull a Wittgenstein and give it all away. Kelly Link and Gavin Grant get by, but they have a solid record of doing good deeds with every bit of funding.</p>

	<p>But I&#8217;d be most excited about the money going to a complete wildcard like David Cleary (who? exactly.), or best of all to a comics artist. When I consider the effort they expend, the pathetic rewards they receive, and the lasting rewards they provide, they seem to me America&#8217;s greatest source of cultural martyrs&#8212;yes, even more than jazz musicians or experimental pulp writers.</p>

	<p>Steve and Henry, thanks for the daydream. <i>Neuraesthetics! A Free Online Serial Intellectual Revolution! In Onegin Stanzas! And a Pony!</i> Maybe Jonathan will put in a <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0ptl7LxRpXUJ:www.guardian.co.uk/online/talktime/story/0,13274,1133318,00.html+&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">good word</a> for me. Now, back to <a href="http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=5007" rel="nofollow">refactoring Java code</a>&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be wasted on the Medium Lobster as he exists outside our terrestrial plane and is not the slave of necessity.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101176</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cosma Shalizi&lt;/i&gt;

I very nearly suggested him instead of Bram Cohen, actually, but I&#039;m going to stick with my guns. He&#039;s certainly more along the lines of what I suspect Henry was looking for -- people largely known to the online community for online writing, rather than for anything else they&#039;ve done -- than Cohen, who per Seth&#039;s taxonomy is just a smart guy with a blog somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Cosma Shalizi</i></p>

	<p>I very nearly suggested him instead of Bram Cohen, actually, but I&#8217;m going to stick with my guns. He&#8217;s certainly more along the lines of what I suspect Henry was looking for&#8212;people largely known to the online community for online writing, rather than for anything else they&#8217;ve done&#8212;than Cohen, who per Seth&#8217;s taxonomy is just a smart guy with a blog somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101162</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In mathematics the MacArthur foundation gave an award to Wiles - after he had solved Fermat&#039;s Last Problem.  

As I recall when he died MacArthur wanted his foundation to give the money to untested but promising individuals.  

Instead a board slanted towards the humanities give lots of money to the usual suspects.  A real pity and a great waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In mathematics the MacArthur foundation gave an award to Wiles &#8211; after he had solved Fermat&#8217;s Last Problem.</p>

	<p>As I recall when he died MacArthur wanted his foundation to give the money to untested but promising individuals.</p>

	<p>Instead a board slanted towards the humanities give lots of money to the usual suspects.  A real pity and a great waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Duncan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101152</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Locke!</description>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101151</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a joint grant for Giblets and the Medium Lobster.

Fafnir&#039;s pretty good at fendin for himself, so he won&#039;t need it. An Chris is still tied down under the rocks after drinkin too much frappucino-stuff anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe a joint grant for Giblets and the Medium Lobster.</p>

	<p>Fafnir&#8217;s pretty good at fendin for himself, so he won&#8217;t need it. An Chris is still tied down under the rocks after drinkin too much frappucino-stuff anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101140</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when I was seeking support for my (now &lt;a href=&quot;http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000423.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abandoned&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;a href=&quot;http://sethf.com/anticensorware/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;censorware research&lt;/a&gt;, and people would give me &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.lyrics/msg/a0c85f91728b6eee?dmode=source&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;advice&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  to get a grant, I used to joke that the MacArthur Foundation didn&#039;t take applications.

Anyway, per steve/#10, it would be useful to clarify &quot;has a blog somewhere&quot; vs &quot;well-known blog&quot; vs &quot;blog evangelist&quot;. A prominently blog-&lt;em&gt;associated&lt;/em&gt; grant would be a very &quot;trendy&quot; choice, and I&#039;m not sure if they consider that good or bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, when I was seeking support for my (now <a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000423.html" rel="nofollow">abandoned</a>) <a href="http://sethf.com/anticensorware/" rel="nofollow">censorware research</a>, and people would give me <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.lyrics/msg/a0c85f91728b6eee?dmode=source&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">&#8220;advice&#8221;</a>  to get a grant, I used to joke that the MacArthur Foundation didn&#8217;t take applications.</p>

	<p>Anyway, per steve/#10, it would be useful to clarify &#8220;has a blog somewhere&#8221; vs &#8220;well-known blog&#8221; vs &#8220;blog evangelist&#8221;. A prominently blog-<em>associated</em> grant would be a very &#8220;trendy&#8221; choice, and I&#8217;m not sure if they consider that good or bad.</p>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101134</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUUUCK.  &quot;two&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">FUUUCK</span>.  &#8220;two&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101133</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m down with Cory&#039;s intellectual property crusades, but his writing (on BoingBoing, though the few pages of &lt;em&gt;Someone Comes to Town...&lt;/em&gt; I read weren&#039;t good either) is awful, tic-ridden shite.

I recently stumbled across a neat bit of breadcraft&#8212;seems some guy remixed his leftover roast beef by putting it between to slices, then mashing it up with some salad!  I wonder if they&#039;ll serve them at Disneyland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m down with Cory&#8217;s intellectual property crusades, but his writing (on BoingBoing, though the few pages of <em>Someone Comes to Town&#8230;</em> I read weren&#8217;t good either) is awful, tic-ridden shite.</p>

	<p>I recently stumbled across a neat bit of breadcraft&mdash;seems some guy remixed his leftover roast beef by putting it between to slices, then mashing it up with some salad!  I wonder if they&#8217;ll serve them at Disneyland.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/09/20/genius/comment-page-1/#comment-101132</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can it really be anyone other than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.billmon.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Billmon&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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