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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-106167</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 05:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Seriously continues,&quot; I should have said, whilst nodding piously my beard against my silver shiny jacket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Seriously continues,&#8221; I should have said, whilst nodding piously my beard against my silver shiny jacket.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-106107</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my reply, see The Weblog, where this discussion continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For my reply, see The Weblog, where this discussion continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-106099</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, 

Simply outline the rules of unconditional hospitality (i.e., &quot;allow the Troll of Sorrow to comment at The Weblog&quot;), and I will gladly follow them to the letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matt,</p>

	<p>Simply outline the rules of unconditional hospitality (i.e., &#8220;allow the Troll of Sorrow to comment at The Weblog&#8221;), and I will gladly follow them to the letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-106097</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

No thanks.  Like I said, we&#039;ve already won.

Seriously, (seriously...) perhaps there are a number of potentially serious discussions to be had about (in and beyond their undeniable trollo sacericity) the social construction and mitigation of &quot;trolls&quot; in a medium such as the internet.  Which is to say, as wise or prudent as it may be to &quot;bin&quot; certain people as, say, redundant and bad faith dullards, egomaniacal whiny bitch friskers, or even alcoholics and  occasional psychotics, and to therefore practice selective abstinence or better yet discreet acts of superseding brilliance, compassion and patience (after which of course it is necessary to promptly hang up).  But as a wise man once said, unconditional hospitality either means hospitality on the part of The Weblog toward the Troll of Sorrow or it means nothing at all. 

I mean after all, as hard as it&#039;s citizens might try to recreate them, the internet remains an ungated community.  At the further risk of making a mountain out of a crevice, perhaps neither should we be entirely immune to the humor value of such stark juxtapositions (say, the banal taunts of the lonely obsessive wretch vs. those who would eventually concoct elaborate fun at his expense, i.e. re-directed malice, and regardless of their attempts to mask a fundamental annoyance (perhaps justified) or hatred (hardly justified) by portending to be lighthearted.  Not to get all moralistic (someone will undoubtedly scoff), but in the final analysis which figure is really the more pathetic?

However, this is a controversial view and I now put my tin hat firmly in place.

Most importantly, this all reminds me of a story by Mark Greif in the latest n+1 (by far more fitting and nuanced than the Elmore Fudd analogy I was briefly contemplating sticking into The Valve just now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adam,</p>

	<p>No thanks.  Like I said, we&#8217;ve already won.</p>

	<p>Seriously, (seriously&#8230;) perhaps there are a number of potentially serious discussions to be had about (in and beyond their undeniable trollo sacericity) the social construction and mitigation of &#8220;trolls&#8221; in a medium such as the internet.  Which is to say, as wise or prudent as it may be to &#8220;bin&#8221; certain people as, say, redundant and bad faith dullards, egomaniacal whiny bitch friskers, or even alcoholics and  occasional psychotics, and to therefore practice selective abstinence or better yet discreet acts of superseding brilliance, compassion and patience (after which of course it is necessary to promptly hang up).  But as a wise man once said, unconditional hospitality either means hospitality on the part of The Weblog toward the Troll of Sorrow or it means nothing at all.</p>

	<p>I mean after all, as hard as it&#8217;s citizens might try to recreate them, the internet remains an ungated community.  At the further risk of making a mountain out of a crevice, perhaps neither should we be entirely immune to the humor value of such stark juxtapositions (say, the banal taunts of the lonely obsessive wretch vs. those who would eventually concoct elaborate fun at his expense, i.e. re-directed malice, and regardless of their attempts to mask a fundamental annoyance (perhaps justified) or hatred (hardly justified) by portending to be lighthearted.  Not to get all moralistic (someone will undoubtedly scoff), but in the final analysis which figure is really the more pathetic?</p>

	<p>However, this is a controversial view and I now put my tin hat firmly in place.</p>

	<p>Most importantly, this all reminds me of a story by Mark Greif in the latest n+1 (by far more fitting and nuanced than the Elmore Fudd analogy I was briefly contemplating sticking into The Valve just now).</p>
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		<title>By: CKR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-106095</link>
		<dc:creator>CKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that I&#039;d just delete, delete, delete a troll on my blog.

A discussion board I&#039;ve been a moderator on for a few years, supposedly including discussion from all political views, is in the process of being ruined by wingnut trolls who sidetrack every thread. For a variety of reasons that I disagree with, the moderators have decided on a minimal-moderating policy which has led to this.

Seems to me that what trolls want is a) attention and b) to waste your time. 

Anything but deleting plays into both.

Or, as other commenters have said, I may be missing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I guess that I&#8217;d just delete, delete, delete a troll on my blog.</p>

	<p>A discussion board I&#8217;ve been a moderator on for a few years, supposedly including discussion from all political views, is in the process of being ruined by wingnut trolls who sidetrack every thread. For a variety of reasons that I disagree with, the moderators have decided on a minimal-moderating policy which has led to this.</p>

	<p>Seems to me that what trolls want is a) attention and b) to waste your time.</p>

	<p>Anything but deleting plays into both.</p>

	<p>Or, as other commenters have said, I may be missing something.</p>
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		<title>By: nnyhav</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105940</link>
		<dc:creator>nnyhav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you over-exorcise your vowels, you could get consonated (or Welsh). But FUDD (among our primary weapons are fear, uncertainty, doubt and the dialectrical methodology ... waitasec, this overlaps The Wife of Bwian) seems little better. Perhaps Zippy insertion, already conveniently packaged as a fortune file, would serve as the ultimate ironizer. Now I&#039;m having INSIPID THOUGHTS about the beautiful, round wives of HOLLYWOOD MOVIE MOGULS encased in PLEXIGLASS CARS and being approached by SMALL BOYS selling FRUIT ... Then again, in this case it may be too difficult to differentiate from the original content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you over-exorcise your vowels, you could get consonated (or Welsh). But <span class="caps">FUDD </span>(among our primary weapons are fear, uncertainty, doubt and the dialectrical methodology &#8230; waitasec, this overlaps The Wife of Bwian) seems little better. Perhaps Zippy insertion, already conveniently packaged as a fortune file, would serve as the ultimate ironizer. Now I&#8217;m having <span class="caps">INSIPID THOUGHTS</span> about the beautiful, round wives of <span class="caps">HOLLYWOOD MOVIE MOGULS</span> encased in <span class="caps">PLEXIGLASS CARS</span> and being approached by <span class="caps">SMALL BOYS</span> selling <span class="caps">FRUIT </span>&#8230; Then again, in this case it may be too difficult to differentiate from the original content.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105820</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe that &quot;perezoso&quot; at Alphonse Von Worden is the same guy, even though our guy uses the same handle sometimes. AVW&#039;s perezoso doesn&#039;t show any resemblance to the ToS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can&#8217;t believe that &#8220;perezoso&#8221; at Alphonse Von Worden is the same guy, even though our guy uses the same handle sometimes. <span class="caps">AVW</span>&#8217;s perezoso doesn&#8217;t show any resemblance to the ToS.</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105808</link>
		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The inwit of all philological extirpations&lt;/i&gt;

The Eskimo responsible for totally stamping out the study of language?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The inwit of all philological extirpations</i></p>

	<p>The Eskimo responsible for totally stamping out the study of language?</p>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105783</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about taking an Oulipian approach?  Translate all nouns (too labor-intensive; all words of a certain length) with the word which comes seventh afterwards in the dictionary?  This could be automated if you had an alphabetized list of dictionary words, like, say, &lt;a href=&quot;http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~wolfson/words.txt.gz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What about taking an Oulipian approach?  Translate all nouns (too labor-intensive; all words of a certain length) with the word which comes seventh afterwards in the dictionary?  This could be automated if you had an alphabetized list of dictionary words, like, say, <a href="http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~wolfson/words.txt.gz" rel="nofollow">this one</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105779</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here I am trying to mean and in response you&#039;re a total sweetie. What, you missed the announcement, this is the Internet, dude.

(OK, in penance I&#039;ll read the next 10 posts on Valve.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here I am trying to mean and in response you&#8217;re a total sweetie. What, you missed the announcement, this is the Internet, dude.</p>

	<p>(OK, in penance I&#8217;ll read the next 10 posts on Valve.)</p>
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		<title>By: jholbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105776</link>
		<dc:creator>jholbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of it this way, Lemuel. I&#039;m trying to invent the genre of Montaignean -solipsistic public service announcement. (By the by, A Cool Million is one of my favorites.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Think of it this way, Lemuel. I&#8217;m trying to invent the genre of Montaignean -solipsistic public service announcement. (By the by, A Cool Million is one of my favorites.)</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105775</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 02:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really getting this.

Well, I get that John Holbo is very clever. Is there a point beyond that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not really getting this.</p>

	<p>Well, I get that John Holbo is very clever. Is there a point beyond that?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105772</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I take that as a challenge.

We&#039;re working on a way to get rid of this guy once and for all.  This guy is totally &lt;i&gt;Trollo Sacer&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matt, I take that as a challenge.</p>

	<p>We&#8217;re working on a way to get rid of this guy once and for all.  This guy is totally <i>Trollo Sacer</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105771</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is of course that everyone subscribed to the entry gets to see both versions, so you are being judged on your performance as interpreter.  Based on the evidence thus far, I would have to say it&#039;s clear that Long Sunday has provided the most amusing Troll of Sorrow reformations yet, hands down.  I mean in all modesty, we don&#039;t need no stinkin&#039; code to provide us with our sense of ireny or dry humour.  This personal touch is what makes The Weblog&#039;s reformations so truly brutally poignant as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thing is of course that everyone subscribed to the entry gets to see both versions, so you are being judged on your performance as interpreter.  Based on the evidence thus far, I would have to say it&#8217;s clear that Long Sunday has provided the most amusing Troll of Sorrow reformations yet, hands down.  I mean in all modesty, we don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; code to provide us with our sense of ireny or dry humour.  This personal touch is what makes The Weblog&#8217;s reformations so truly brutally poignant as well.</p>
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		<title>By: novalis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/02/contwow-fweak-games/comment-page-1/#comment-105697</link>
		<dc:creator>novalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pdf23ds, I did this some years ago using Wordnet.  It was intended to be a surrealism generator, but ended up sounding more stilted than surreal:

One external admonisher said, &quot;It&#039;s arduous to get quarrel once I see bodies wish this.&quot; 

Sadly, I&#039;ve lost the code, or I would help John out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>pdf23ds, I did this some years ago using Wordnet.  It was intended to be a surrealism generator, but ended up sounding more stilted than surreal:</p>

	<p>One external admonisher said, &#8220;It&#8217;s arduous to get quarrel once I see bodies wish this.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Sadly, I&#8217;ve lost the code, or I would help John out here.</p>
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