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		<title>By: I go to kill swine</title>
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		<dc:creator>I go to kill swine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>¨If you trace which Shakespearean play came out in which year, the location of the plays tends to follow Neville’s movements around the country fairly well.¨
Since The Winter´s Tale includes the sea-coast of Bohemia, don´t we have definite proof that Shakespeare hardly knew his way around Europe at all? Unless its the case that sea levels were far higher in the Renaissance - a stupid idea that I´m waiting for the Greenhouse Theory sceptics to seize on. 
After all, why shouldn´t every damn conspiracy theory come to the party? It´s a lot of fun, as any reader of  Foucault´s Pendulum will attest (author: Umberto Eco, I believe - but I may have been had).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#168;If you trace which Shakespearean play came out in which year, the location of the plays tends to follow Neville&#8217;s movements around the country fairly well.&#168;<br />
Since The Winter&#180;s Tale includes the sea-coast of Bohemia, don&#180;t we have definite proof that Shakespeare hardly knew his way around Europe at all? Unless its the case that sea levels were far higher in the Renaissance &#8211; a stupid idea that I&#180;m waiting for the Greenhouse Theory sceptics to seize on.<br />
After all, why shouldn&#180;t every damn conspiracy theory come to the party? It&#180;s a lot of fun, as any reader of  Foucault&#180;s Pendulum will attest (author: Umberto Eco, I believe &#8211; but I may have been had).</p>
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		<title>By: Thlayli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thlayli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if future generations will argue over who wrote Spielberg’s films, ....&lt;/i&gt;

I always picture some future scholar declaring that the song &quot;Yesterday&quot; couldn&#039;t have been written by this McCartney fellow, this 22-year-old from a backwater like Liverpool who couldn&#039;t even read music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I wonder if future generations will argue over who wrote Spielberg&#8217;s films, &#8230;.</i></p>

	<p>I always picture some future scholar declaring that the song &#8220;Yesterday&#8221; couldn&#8217;t have been written by this McCartney fellow, this 22-year-old from a backwater like Liverpool who couldn&#8217;t even read music.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Daniel&#039;s question (post 40) as to why Shakespeare mentioned no books in his Will:   There are cases from the period of literate people with large personal libraries leaving wills which mention no books; the libraries  are simply assumed to be part of the building and estates of the deceased; likewise for paintings and objets d&#039;art.  Few modern wills, I would suggest, mention the carpets of a house, but we would hardly claim that modern houses are therefore uncarpeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re Daniel&#8217;s question (post 40) as to why Shakespeare mentioned no books in his Will:   There are cases from the period of literate people with large personal libraries leaving wills which mention no books; the libraries  are simply assumed to be part of the building and estates of the deceased; likewise for paintings and objets d&#8217;art.  Few modern wills, I would suggest, mention the carpets of a house, but we would hardly claim that modern houses are therefore uncarpeted.</p>
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		<title>By: Slippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no doubt in my mind it was all attributable to Fred Nerk. Therefore every erudite bookshelf should carry the Complete Works of Nerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s no doubt in my mind it was all attributable to Fred Nerk. Therefore every erudite bookshelf should carry the Complete Works of Nerk.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Intact copies of Elizabethan theatrical manuscripts are very rare.&lt;/i&gt;

Heck, intact copies of &lt;i&gt;printed&lt;/i&gt; theatrical texts from that time are rare. It took Jonson (and his ego) to produce a big fat Folio, before plays were really considered Works to be shelved in a library; and it took post-Restoration actor-managers to start collecting playtexts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Intact copies of Elizabethan theatrical manuscripts are very rare.</i></p>

	<p>Heck, intact copies of <i>printed</i> theatrical texts from that time are rare. It took Jonson (and his ego) to produce a big fat Folio, before plays were really considered Works to be shelved in a library; and it took post-Restoration actor-managers to start collecting playtexts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prospect has an interesting review of a recent book on Shakespeare by Peter Ackroyd (subscription only, unfortunately). It addresses this issue in passing and makes the point that Shakespeare&#039;s plays include rural dialect and a detailed knowledge of farming, consistent with his actual background and a problem for, say, the Duke of Oxford. Of course, given that Oxford was, by hypothesis a polymathic genius, he would have had no trouble picking these things up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Prospect has an interesting review of a recent book on Shakespeare by Peter Ackroyd (subscription only, unfortunately). It addresses this issue in passing and makes the point that Shakespeare&#8217;s plays include rural dialect and a detailed knowledge of farming, consistent with his actual background and a problem for, say, the Duke of Oxford. Of course, given that Oxford was, by hypothesis a polymathic genius, he would have had no trouble picking these things up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Munro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The answer to the question in 40 is that there is a genuine puzzle as to why no manuscript copies of any of Shakespeare’s works exist.&quot;

No, there isn&#039;t, since there are very few ms copies of any Renaissance plays, and almost no autograph copies.

I guess what irritated me most in the summary of Rubenstein&#039;s argument was the claim that Shakespeare didn&#039;t speak French.  In the first place, it&#039;s impossible for anyone to know this; in the second, the scenes in H5 hardly require an extensive knowledge of French, not least because they&#039;re supposed to be intelligible to an English audience.  In 1H4 a character speaks and sings in Welsh; could Neville do that?

I think the parallels between intelligent design and anti-Stratfordianism are very close, down to the remarkably respectful treatment both groups get in the popular press.  For scholars working in the field, it seems a solution in search of a problem,  which is one reason why a more precise defence of Shakespearean authorship isn&#039;t always made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The answer to the question in 40 is that there is a genuine puzzle as to why no manuscript copies of any of Shakespeare&#8217;s works exist.&#8221;</p>

	<p>No, there isn&#8217;t, since there are very few ms copies of any Renaissance plays, and almost no autograph copies.</p>

	<p>I guess what irritated me most in the summary of Rubenstein&#8217;s argument was the claim that Shakespeare didn&#8217;t speak French.  In the first place, it&#8217;s impossible for anyone to know this; in the second, the scenes in H5 hardly require an extensive knowledge of French, not least because they&#8217;re supposed to be intelligible to an English audience.  In 1H4 a character speaks and sings in Welsh; could Neville do that?</p>

	<p>I think the parallels between intelligent design and anti-Stratfordianism are very close, down to the remarkably respectful treatment both groups get in the popular press.  For scholars working in the field, it seems a solution in search of a problem,  which is one reason why a more precise defence of Shakespearean authorship isn&#8217;t always made.</p>
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		<title>By: mroberts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper&#039;s did a big thing on the authorship of Shakespeare a few years back.  On one side you had the Shakespear-ites and on the other you had the De Vere-ians.  The DVs had all sorts of decent points (some reasonable, some more obviously stretches), though, of course, they couldn&#039;t in the end prove anything.  

But what struck me was the lame arguments of the Shakespear-ites.  It was mostly &quot;pshaw, aw c&#039;mon, I mean really.&quot;  When countering the DVs claims about all the connections in the plays to De Vere&#039;s real-life experience that S. didn&#039;t have, well, they sounded like Creationists today.  The  Creationists, when confronted with anything tricky in the geologic record pull out the same explanation everytime - The Flood.  There was The Flood, you see, and that would&#039;ve done such and such...  Well, when confronted with the familiarity, knowledge and experience the author of the plays &quot;must have&quot; had (so say the DVs), the Shakespear-ites said, &quot;Genius.&quot;  No impressive school record - geniuses often don&#039;t show themselves in school.  Experience in court affairs - well, his Genius was such that...  Knowledge of shipwrecks - Genius.  Foreign language and affairs - Genius, etc, etc. 

That and the elitist claim.  Since then I have read more people who characterize the entire realm of Shakespeare doubters as &quot;ELITISTS!!!&quot;  According to them  Shakespear must&#039;ve written Shakespeare because it is the anti-elitist choice, therefore, automatically right.

I don&#039;t really care who or how the plays were written, but I have also read some much better arguments online for Shakespear writing Shakespeare and think that Harper&#039;s definitely did a poor job of picking people to support that side of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harper&#8217;s did a big thing on the authorship of Shakespeare a few years back.  On one side you had the Shakespear-ites and on the other you had the De Vere-ians.  The DVs had all sorts of decent points (some reasonable, some more obviously stretches), though, of course, they couldn&#8217;t in the end prove anything.</p>

	<p>But what struck me was the lame arguments of the Shakespear-ites.  It was mostly &#8220;pshaw, aw c&#8217;mon, I mean really.&#8221;  When countering the DVs claims about all the connections in the plays to De Vere&#8217;s real-life experience that S. didn&#8217;t have, well, they sounded like Creationists today.  The  Creationists, when confronted with anything tricky in the geologic record pull out the same explanation everytime &#8211; The Flood.  There was The Flood, you see, and that would&#8217;ve done such and such&#8230;  Well, when confronted with the familiarity, knowledge and experience the author of the plays &#8220;must have&#8221; had (so say the DVs), the Shakespear-ites said, &#8220;Genius.&#8221;  No impressive school record &#8211; geniuses often don&#8217;t show themselves in school.  Experience in court affairs &#8211; well, his Genius was such that&#8230;  Knowledge of shipwrecks &#8211; Genius.  Foreign language and affairs &#8211; Genius, etc, etc.</p>

	<p>That and the elitist claim.  Since then I have read more people who characterize the entire realm of Shakespeare doubters as &#8220;ELITISTS<img src="!" alt="" border="0" />&#8221;  According to them  Shakespear must&#8217;ve written Shakespeare because it is the anti-elitist choice, therefore, automatically right.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t really care who or how the plays were written, but I have also read some much better arguments online for Shakespear writing Shakespeare and think that Harper&#8217;s definitely did a poor job of picking people to support that side of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry - you are all wrong - it wasn&#039;t Willaim Shakespeare but another person with the same name.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;aye, and having bought them, what’s to stop him leaving them in his will?&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps, like Thomas Campion and Francis Bacon, Shakespeare was illiterate.

&lt;i&gt;The answer to the question in 40 is that there is a genuine puzzle as to why no manuscript copies of any of Shakespeare’s works exist.&lt;/i&gt;

(What about Hand D? Has consensus credited that to Shakespeare yet?)

Similarly, of course, I believe there is a single extant example of Christopher Marlowe&#039;s handwriting. (I&#039;ll happily be corrected if I&#039;m wrong.) It&#039;s not much of a puzzle, Daniel. Intact copies of Elizabethan theatrical manuscripts are very rare.

This really does bear a passing resemblance to the intelligent design debate; you can cherrypick evidence that sounds quite convincing if you want, but academics interested in serious scholarship -- operating in their period, unlike Prof. Rubinstein -- have studied and generally answered these questions. (I am not one of them, and I don&#039;t claim to have read Honigmann and Brock&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Playhouse Wills, 1558-1642&lt;/i&gt;, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://shakespeareauthorship.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shakespeareauthorship.com&lt;/a&gt; is a useful resource for this sort of thing; 11 of the 14 playwrights, including Thomas Campion, whose wills Honigmann and Brock studied made no mention of books, which were generally lumped in with general household bequests of the period.)

As I said, I&#039;m neither a historian nor a student of theatrical culture of the period; as an interested reader without a terrible amount of grounding in the period, I&#039;m quite willing to accept the weak form of Daniel&#039;s argument: the Shakespeare plays were more collaborative than simply slapping &quot;by W.S.&quot; on the front might indicate. (&lt;i&gt;Two Noble Kinsmen&lt;/i&gt; and, if Hand D was Shakespeare, &lt;i&gt;Sir Thomas More&lt;/i&gt; certainly suggest that script doctoring is not a twentieth century phenomenon, and the First Folio was printed from working copies that may well have been much revised.) But I don&#039;t think my stance is particularly novel, either; certainly the current academic ideas about authorship (and ownership) in early modern manuscripts, if not theatrical culture, are as gloriously muddled as Daniel seems to want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>aye, and having bought them, what&#8217;s to stop him leaving them in his will?</i></p>

	<p>Perhaps, like Thomas Campion and Francis Bacon, Shakespeare was illiterate.</p>

	<p><i>The answer to the question in 40 is that there is a genuine puzzle as to why no manuscript copies of any of Shakespeare&#8217;s works exist.</i></p>

	<p>(What about Hand D? Has consensus credited that to Shakespeare yet?)</p>

	<p>Similarly, of course, I believe there is a single extant example of Christopher Marlowe&#8217;s handwriting. (I&#8217;ll happily be corrected if I&#8217;m wrong.) It&#8217;s not much of a puzzle, Daniel. Intact copies of Elizabethan theatrical manuscripts are very rare.</p>

	<p>This really does bear a passing resemblance to the intelligent design debate; you can cherrypick evidence that sounds quite convincing if you want, but academics interested in serious scholarship&#8212;operating in their period, unlike Prof. Rubinstein&#8212;have studied and generally answered these questions. (I am not one of them, and I don&#8217;t claim to have read Honigmann and Brock&#8217;s <i>Playhouse Wills, 1558-1642</i>, but <a href="http://shakespeareauthorship.com/" rel="nofollow">shakespeareauthorship.com</a> is a useful resource for this sort of thing; 11 of the 14 playwrights, including Thomas Campion, whose wills Honigmann and Brock studied made no mention of books, which were generally lumped in with general household bequests of the period.)</p>

	<p>As I said, I&#8217;m neither a historian nor a student of theatrical culture of the period; as an interested reader without a terrible amount of grounding in the period, I&#8217;m quite willing to accept the weak form of Daniel&#8217;s argument: the Shakespeare plays were more collaborative than simply slapping &#8220;by W.S.&#8221; on the front might indicate. (<i>Two Noble Kinsmen</i> and, if Hand D was Shakespeare, <i>Sir Thomas More</i> certainly suggest that script doctoring is not a twentieth century phenomenon, and the First Folio was printed from working copies that may well have been much revised.) But I don&#8217;t think my stance is particularly novel, either; certainly the current academic ideas about authorship (and ownership) in early modern manuscripts, if not theatrical culture, are as gloriously muddled as Daniel seems to want.</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;If you wanted to stretch a point, you could say that the usurping Henry IV was a Plantagenet on his father’s side.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; No it doesn&#039;t stretch a point. The Lancastrians and Yorkists were all descended directly through the male line from Edward III. Their surname was Plantagenet, same as Richard II.

Baconians and Oxfordians are fruitcakes, I don&#039;t know about the rest. William F Friedman, the greatest American cryptographer of WWII, was asked to assess the &quot;Baconian cypher&quot;, and contrived to extract the following message from Shakespeare&#039;s texts:

&quot;Theodore Roosevelt wrote these plays, but I, Shakespeare, stole them. Friedman can prove it by means of this cock-eyed cypher.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>&#8220;If you wanted to stretch a point, you could say that the usurping Henry IV was a Plantagenet on his father&#8217;s side.&#8221;</em> No it doesn&#8217;t stretch a point. The Lancastrians and Yorkists were all descended directly through the male line from Edward <span class="caps">III</span>. Their surname was Plantagenet, same as Richard II.</p>

	<p>Baconians and Oxfordians are fruitcakes, I don&#8217;t know about the rest. William F Friedman, the greatest American cryptographer of <span class="caps">WWII</span>, was asked to assess the &#8220;Baconian cypher&#8221;, and contrived to extract the following message from Shakespeare&#8217;s texts:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Theodore Roosevelt wrote these plays, but I, Shakespeare, stole them. Friedman can prove it by means of this cock-eyed cypher.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can’t think of too many working playwrights and directors who jump on the antiBillum bandwagon&lt;/i&gt;

Mark Rylance certainly takes the debate seriously, and he has been rumoured to put on the odd play or two.

&lt;i&gt;what’s to stop him from buying and reading books on his own account?&lt;/i&gt;

aye, and having bought them, what&#039;s to stop him leaving them in his will?  The answer to the question in 40 is that there is a genuine puzzle as to why no manuscript copies of any of Shakespeare&#039;s works exist.  Although as I say, I think that the &quot;Authorship Debate&quot; is orthogonal to a much more interesting debate about authorship in general.  Whatever the specific cuts and pastes £ made to the drafts of The Waste Land, there is a larger point that TS Eliot would never have written anything which remotely resembled TWL at all if he hadn&#039;t been in the £ sphere of influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I can&#8217;t think of too many working playwrights and directors who jump on the antiBillum bandwagon</i></p>

	<p>Mark Rylance certainly takes the debate seriously, and he has been rumoured to put on the odd play or two.</p>

	<p><i>what&#8217;s to stop him from buying and reading books on his own account?</i></p>

	<p>aye, and having bought them, what&#8217;s to stop him leaving them in his will?  The answer to the question in 40 is that there is a genuine puzzle as to why no manuscript copies of any of Shakespeare&#8217;s works exist.  Although as I say, I think that the &#8220;Authorship Debate&#8221; is orthogonal to a much more interesting debate about authorship in general.  Whatever the specific cuts and pastes &#163; made to the drafts of The Waste Land, there is a larger point that <span class="caps">TS </span>Eliot would never have written anything which remotely resembled <span class="caps">TWL</span> at all if he hadn&#8217;t been in the &#163; sphere of influence.</p>
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		<title>By: fred lapides</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When much of our evidence points to Shakespeare as a person in and around London, who wrote plays that were performed, and was noticed by his fellow actors and writers, the question becomes: Why the need and the attempt to unseat Sheakespeare as the author of the plays attributed to him in the First Folio by his two friends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When much of our evidence points to Shakespeare as a person in and around London, who wrote plays that were performed, and was noticed by his fellow actors and writers, the question becomes: Why the need and the attempt to unseat Sheakespeare as the author of the plays attributed to him in the First Folio by his two friends?</p>
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		<title>By: Passing_Fancy</title>
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		<description>&quot;Neville’s ancestors, Plantagenets, are always favourably depicted in the plays.&quot;

Well, no. The only history plays that deal with Plantagenet kings are King John and Richard II. Both are portrayed as incompetent and are ambivalent characters at best. 

The remaining history plays deal with the Lancastrians, the Yorkists and the Tudors. If you wanted to stretch a point, you could say that the usurping Henry IV was a Plantagenet on his father&#039;s side. 

That doesn&#039;t help the book&#039;s argument, though. HENRY IV depicts its title character as a cold, paranoid man and a controlling father. Henry V is a paragon king, admittedly, but icily ambitious. Henry VI is incompetent. 

The dynasty Shakespeare was most concerned to glorify was, of course, the Tudor. 

&quot;When Neville was imprisoned in the Tower for his part in Essex’s rebellion, the plays suddenly turn from being light to being sombre.&quot;

That would be 1601, right? Well, Hamlet, certainly one of the gloomier plays, was probably performed first in 1600. Julius Caesar also likely predates the rebellion. Yes, the other great tragedies were written after, but so was Alls Well That Ends Well. So I don&#039;t think this point really holds much water either. 

And as for the alleged improbability of Shakespeare&#039;s classical knowledge, it is actually entirely probable that someone of his status, at that time, would get at least a minimal grounding in the classics at school - and what&#039;s to stop him from buying and reading books on his own account? Holinshed, Ovid (in translation) and Plutarch were not at all hard to get hold of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Neville&#8217;s ancestors, Plantagenets, are always favourably depicted in the plays.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Well, no. The only history plays that deal with Plantagenet kings are King John and Richard II. Both are portrayed as incompetent and are ambivalent characters at best.</p>

	<p>The remaining history plays deal with the Lancastrians, the Yorkists and the Tudors. If you wanted to stretch a point, you could say that the usurping Henry IV was a Plantagenet on his father&#8217;s side.</p>

	<p>That doesn&#8217;t help the book&#8217;s argument, though. <span class="caps">HENRY IV</span> depicts its title character as a cold, paranoid man and a controlling father. Henry V is a paragon king, admittedly, but icily ambitious. Henry VI is incompetent.</p>

	<p>The dynasty Shakespeare was most concerned to glorify was, of course, the Tudor.</p>

	<p>&#8220;When Neville was imprisoned in the Tower for his part in Essex&#8217;s rebellion, the plays suddenly turn from being light to being sombre.&#8221;</p>

	<p>That would be 1601, right? Well, Hamlet, certainly one of the gloomier plays, was probably performed first in 1600. Julius Caesar also likely predates the rebellion. Yes, the other great tragedies were written after, but so was Alls Well That Ends Well. So I don&#8217;t think this point really holds much water either.</p>

	<p>And as for the alleged improbability of Shakespeare&#8217;s classical knowledge, it is actually entirely probable that someone of his status, at that time, would get at least a minimal grounding in the classics at school &#8211; and what&#8217;s to stop him from buying and reading books on his own account? Holinshed, Ovid (in translation) and Plutarch were not at all hard to get hold of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What you really need to know to write terrific drama is how to write good plays. And to know that, it helps to be involved with the theater in some way, which the historical Shakespeare was.&lt;/i&gt;

Quite: I can&#039;t think of too many working playwrights and directors who jump on the antiBillum bandwagon. 

And, of course, Shakey was working with a knowledge of &lt;i&gt;how certain things were shown on stage&lt;/i&gt;. He wasn&#039;t making a version of &#039;The Office&#039;. If you watch/read &#039;The Knight of the Burning Pestle&#039;, my favourite play of the period, you&#039;ll see those expectations sent up something rotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What you really need to know to write terrific drama is how to write good plays. And to know that, it helps to be involved with the theater in some way, which the historical Shakespeare was.</i></p>

	<p>Quite: I can&#8217;t think of too many working playwrights and directors who jump on the antiBillum bandwagon.</p>

	<p>And, of course, Shakey was working with a knowledge of <i>how certain things were shown on stage</i>. He wasn&#8217;t making a version of &#8216;The Office&#8217;. If you watch/read &#8216;The Knight of the Burning Pestle&#8217;, my favourite play of the period, you&#8217;ll see those expectations sent up something rotten.</p>
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