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		<title>By: Steve Reuland</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107559</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Reuland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m a bit doubtful about the potential for ever-more improved energy efficiency in existing technology. I’m remembering back 10 years to something I studied at university and then never again used, but if I am remembering right there are some pretty hard limits on how efficient engines can be. And it’s lower than 100% efficiency (does Cournet engines ring a bell to anyone?).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well obviously, 100% is the theoretical limit, because an engine can&#039;t do more work than the energy you put into it.  But ICE engines are currently something like 25-30% efficient, which is horrible.  So there&#039;s a lot of room for improvement, assuming there is adequate economic incentive to do so.  And gas-electric hybrids increase efficiency further by taking energy that would otherwise be wasted as heat (for example, when breaking) and storing it in a battery.  I do not think it is unreasonable that we will see 100mpg prototypes within a few years.  They are also experimenting with &quot;plug-in&quot; hybrids that give the batteries an initial charge, which keeps the gas engine from needing to be used for short trips, when it is least efficient.  Some tinkerers have modified their own hybrids to produce cars that exceed 100mpg, but of course the extra energy ultimately comes from a power plant, which may be worse for the environment than burning gas.  But this is where the technology is heading.

PEM fuel cells are far more efficient than ICEs, something like 60% or more, but there are so many problems with hydrogen that it&#039;s not really worth considering.  The penultimate emissions-free vehicle will be an electric car with litium-ion batteries, which will have the same range as today&#039;s cars and will be about 90% or more efficient.  The transitional species will be gas-electric hybrids, and after that, plug-in hybrids.  The real challenge will be to produce large amounts of electricity without pollution or greenhouse gas emissions.  This is no small order, but since the transition will be relatively slow, we&#039;ll have time address that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I&#8217;m a bit doubtful about the potential for ever-more improved energy efficiency in existing technology. I&#8217;m remembering back 10 years to something I studied at university and then never again used, but if I am remembering right there are some pretty hard limits on how efficient engines can be. And it&#8217;s lower than 100% efficiency (does Cournet engines ring a bell to anyone?).</blockquote></p>

	<p>Well obviously, 100% is the theoretical limit, because an engine can&#8217;t do more work than the energy you put into it.  But <span class="caps">ICE</span> engines are currently something like 25-30% efficient, which is horrible.  So there&#8217;s a lot of room for improvement, assuming there is adequate economic incentive to do so.  And gas-electric hybrids increase efficiency further by taking energy that would otherwise be wasted as heat (for example, when breaking) and storing it in a battery.  I do not think it is unreasonable that we will see 100mpg prototypes within a few years.  They are also experimenting with &#8220;plug-in&#8221; hybrids that give the batteries an initial charge, which keeps the gas engine from needing to be used for short trips, when it is least efficient.  Some tinkerers have modified their own hybrids to produce cars that exceed 100mpg, but of course the extra energy ultimately comes from a power plant, which may be worse for the environment than burning gas.  But this is where the technology is heading.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">PEM</span> fuel cells are far more efficient than ICEs, something like 60% or more, but there are so many problems with hydrogen that it&#8217;s not really worth considering.  The penultimate emissions-free vehicle will be an electric car with litium-ion batteries, which will have the same range as today&#8217;s cars and will be about 90% or more efficient.  The transitional species will be gas-electric hybrids, and after that, plug-in hybrids.  The real challenge will be to produce large amounts of electricity without pollution or greenhouse gas emissions.  This is no small order, but since the transition will be relatively slow, we&#8217;ll have time address that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107413</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an economy where costs can be inflated away by printing more money, or can be &quot;diluted&quot; by cutting other essential things, the effectiveness of price signals is limited. There is enough anecdotal evidence for me that many (not all) people are simply taking the gas cost hit, continue driving macho cars, and try saving on other expenses. The economy will respond by reducing  goods &amp; services quality, more outsourcing, and further cutting employees&#039; compensation/benefits packages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In an economy where costs can be inflated away by printing more money, or can be &#8220;diluted&#8221; by cutting other essential things, the effectiveness of price signals is limited. There is enough anecdotal evidence for me that many (not all) people are simply taking the gas cost hit, continue driving macho cars, and try saving on other expenses. The economy will respond by reducing  goods &#038; services quality, more outsourcing, and further cutting employees&#8217; compensation/benefits packages.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>w.kieran. 
Quite. Solid oxide fuel cells are about 60% efficient (more when in a stationary combined heat and power system).
I’m sure John will enjoy the slight irony of a TCS contributor both advocating higher gas taxes and (coff, coff) working with and paying for some of the research into such fuel cells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>w.kieran.<br />
Quite. Solid oxide fuel cells are about 60% efficient (more when in a stationary combined heat and power system).<br />
I&#8217;m sure John will enjoy the slight irony of a <span class="caps">TCS</span> contributor both advocating higher gas taxes and (coff, coff) working with and paying for some of the research into such fuel cells.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Kiernan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107381</link>
		<dc:creator>W. Kiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;tracy w:&lt;/b&gt;  You&#039;re thinking of the Carnot cycle, which limits thermal efficiency in internal combustion engines, but, for example, fuel cells powering electric motors are not subject to its limitations.  Nevertheless, regarding your &quot;indefinitely,&quot; I&#039;m sure you&#039;re correct, as you obviously couldn&#039;t improve on 100% thermal efficiency, but that doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t do anything effective today.  Without any new technology at all we could increase the mileage of the U.S.A.&#039;s automobile fleet fifty percent by simply slapping a $50,000 gas-guzzler tax on all these 8000 pound, 300 HP trucks that all my idiotic neighbors insist on buying for their daily solo commutes to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>tracy w:</b>  You&#8217;re thinking of the Carnot cycle, which limits thermal efficiency in internal combustion engines, but, for example, fuel cells powering electric motors are not subject to its limitations.  Nevertheless, regarding your &#8220;indefinitely,&#8221; I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re correct, as you obviously couldn&#8217;t improve on 100% thermal efficiency, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t do anything effective today.  Without any new technology at all we could increase the mileage of the U.S.A.&#8217;s automobile fleet fifty percent by simply slapping a $50,000 gas-guzzler tax on all these 8000 pound, 300 HP trucks that all my idiotic neighbors insist on buying for their daily solo commutes to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107219</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit doubtful about the potential for ever-more improved energy efficiency in existing technology.  I&#039;m remembering back 10 years to something I studied at university and then never again used, but if I am remembering right there are some pretty hard limits on how efficient engines can be.  And it&#039;s lower than 100% efficiency (does Cournet engines ring a bell to anyone?).

Furthermore, the closer you get to the theoretical limit, the harder it comes to get any closer.  The approach is asymptotic.  Consequently, I don&#039;t think that just beause automative engineers made, say, 20% efficiency gains in the last 20 years, that we can depend on them making 20% efficiency gains indefinitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a bit doubtful about the potential for ever-more improved energy efficiency in existing technology.  I&#8217;m remembering back 10 years to something I studied at university and then never again used, but if I am remembering right there are some pretty hard limits on how efficient engines can be.  And it&#8217;s lower than 100% efficiency (does Cournet engines ring a bell to anyone?).</p>

	<p>Furthermore, the closer you get to the theoretical limit, the harder it comes to get any closer.  The approach is asymptotic.  Consequently, I don&#8217;t think that just beause automative engineers made, say, 20% efficiency gains in the last 20 years, that we can depend on them making 20% efficiency gains indefinitely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McGuire</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... assume that the price elasticity of demand for energy is 1.0 instead of looking at any of the research in the field; confuse person-trips/vehicle-trip for a small subset of trips with person-km/vehicle-km for the fleet at large, claim that in one move I can be 20% closer to work, the ski resort, and the dirtbike park, double-count fuel efficiency gains, all in the name of quantitivity.

Yup.  It&#039;s John Quiggin.  I think that this one isn&#039;t quite as good as claiming that freeing Eastern Europe from Soviet domination wasn&#039;t worth the expected 100 million deaths from world thermonuclear war, but it&#039;s up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm&#8230; assume that the price elasticity of demand for energy is 1.0 instead of looking at any of the research in the field; confuse person-trips/vehicle-trip for a small subset of trips with person-km/vehicle-km for the fleet at large, claim that in one move I can be 20% closer to work, the ski resort, and the dirtbike park, double-count fuel efficiency gains, all in the name of quantitivity.</p>

	<p>Yup.  It&#8217;s John Quiggin.  I think that this one isn&#8217;t quite as good as claiming that freeing Eastern Europe from Soviet domination wasn&#8217;t worth the expected 100 million deaths from world thermonuclear war, but it&#8217;s up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Arkaneli</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107205</link>
		<dc:creator>Arkaneli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discusion of the arcana of elasticity, tax regimes etc. is academically interesting and a chance to thump tubs, but completely misses the point.  Positive feedback is starting to appear in mechanisms that warm the atmosphere and oceans.  One example is the thaw in the Siberian tundra, releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases.  No human action matters anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This discusion of the arcana of elasticity, tax regimes etc. is academically interesting and a chance to thump tubs, but completely misses the point.  Positive feedback is starting to appear in mechanisms that warm the atmosphere and oceans.  One example is the thaw in the Siberian tundra, releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases.  No human action matters anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: soubzriquet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107204</link>
		<dc:creator>soubzriquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dp, re 16: No, they haven&#039;t.  But it isn&#039;t really and apples-and-oranges comparison, since the infrastructure is so different in the two countries.  Part of this is due to relative size, but much of it is by choice.  The US has predicated much of housing, agriculture, and shipping on the assumption of the continued existence of cheap oil (among other things).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dp, re 16: No, they haven&#8217;t.  But it isn&#8217;t really and apples-and-oranges comparison, since the infrastructure is so different in the two countries.  Part of this is due to relative size, but much of it is by choice.  The US has predicated much of housing, agriculture, and shipping on the assumption of the continued existence of cheap oil (among other things).</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107186</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so strange. Just &lt;a href=&quot;http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2003_05_18_d-squareddigest_archive.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;keep in mind&lt;/a&gt; that

&lt;blockquote&gt;the single most sensible thing said in political philosophy in the twentieth century was JK Galbraith&#039;s aphorism that the quest of conservative thought throughout the ages has been &quot;the search for a higher moral justification for selfishness&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Conservatives&#039; technophilia is a means, not an end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not so strange. Just <a href="http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2003_05_18_d-squareddigest_archive.html" rel="nofollow">keep in mind</a> that</p>

	<p><blockquote>the single most sensible thing said in political philosophy in the twentieth century was <span class="caps">JK </span>Galbraith&#8217;s aphorism that the quest of conservative thought throughout the ages has been &#8220;the search for a higher moral justification for selfishness&#8221;.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Conservatives&#8217; technophilia is a means, not an end.</p>
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		<title>By: Urinated State of America</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107179</link>
		<dc:creator>Urinated State of America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point John. The costs of CO2 mitigation will be modest; I remember that the UN&#039;s UNCTAD estimated that, with emissions trading, the cost to the US to meet Kyoto would cost $20 billion/year; not cheap, but certainly less than the cost of more Katrinas.

Even one of the more expensive ways of mitigating CO2 emissions, CO2 capture and sequestration from power stations, works out *with current technology* to be ~$70/tonne. That&#039;s equivalent to 80 cents on a gallon of gasoline. Not trival, but not back-to-the-stone-age either.

I find it strange that the technophile conservatarians who tout technology as the answer don&#039;t understand that to get a technology developed, you have to create a market for it by price signals. If the cost to the polluter of emitting CO2 is zero, there&#039;s little demand for technologies to mitigate CO2 emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Excellent point John. The costs of <span class="caps">CO2</span> mitigation will be modest; I remember that the UN&#8217;s <span class="caps">UNCTAD</span> estimated that, with emissions trading, the cost to the US to meet Kyoto would cost $20 billion/year; not cheap, but certainly less than the cost of more Katrinas.</p>

	<p>Even one of the more expensive ways of mitigating <span class="caps">CO2</span> emissions, <span class="caps">CO2</span> capture and sequestration from power stations, works out <strong>with current technology</strong> to be ~$70/tonne. That&#8217;s equivalent to 80 cents on a gallon of gasoline. Not trival, but not back-to-the-stone-age either.</p>

	<p>I find it strange that the technophile conservatarians who tout technology as the answer don&#8217;t understand that to get a technology developed, you have to create a market for it by price signals. If the cost to the polluter of emitting <span class="caps">CO2</span> is zero, there&#8217;s little demand for technologies to mitigate <span class="caps">CO2</span> emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: dp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107170</link>
		<dc:creator>dp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petrol prices in the UK are hovering around &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whatprice.co.uk/car/retailer-petrol-prices.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;92p/litre&lt;/a&gt;. With an exchange rate of $1.77 to the Pound, that works out to about $6.17 per gallon. Are people in the UK abandoning their cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Petrol prices in the UK are hovering around <a href="http://www.whatprice.co.uk/car/retailer-petrol-prices.php" rel="nofollow">92p/litre</a>. With an exchange rate of $1.77 to the Pound, that works out to about $6.17 per gallon. Are people in the UK abandoning their cars?</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107166</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, that should be

&quot;a period when prices are spiking is the best time to raise &lt;b&gt;taxes&lt;/b&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Er, that should be</p>

	<p>&#8220;a period when prices are spiking is the best time to raise <b>taxes</b>&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107164</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why do we think “taxes” will do a better job than “naturally high retail prices”?&lt;/i&gt;

Part of the answer is who captures the surplus. Suppose that a $1/gallon price increase is required to achieve the necessary reduction in consumption (&quot;necessary&quot; either in the short run to bring demand in line with supply, or in the long term to reduce CO2 emissions). A dollar increase in market prices or a dollar increase in taxes will achieve that end equally well -- but the latter will do more to finance investment in conservation and other public goods.

Counterintuitively, a period when prices are spiking is the &lt;i&gt;best&lt;/i&gt; time to raise prices. Since supply is fixed in the short run, the ultimate market price is going to be the same regardless of the tax rate -- namely, whatever it takes to bring demand down to supply. So the the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; effect of a tax increase is to transfer monopoly rents from producers to the public sector.

Of course, raising gas taxes when there&#039;s  negative shock to supply &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; discourage investment in increasing capacity -- altho that&#039;s by no means a sure thing. But if we want to reduce  consumption in the long run, that&#039;s an added benefit, not a cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Why do we think &#8220;taxes&#8221; will do a better job than &#8220;naturally high retail prices&#8221;?</i></p>

	<p>Part of the answer is who captures the surplus. Suppose that a $1/gallon price increase is required to achieve the necessary reduction in consumption (&#8220;necessary&#8221; either in the short run to bring demand in line with supply, or in the long term to reduce <span class="caps">CO2</span> emissions). A dollar increase in market prices or a dollar increase in taxes will achieve that end equally well&#8212;but the latter will do more to finance investment in conservation and other public goods.</p>

	<p>Counterintuitively, a period when prices are spiking is the <i>best</i> time to raise prices. Since supply is fixed in the short run, the ultimate market price is going to be the same regardless of the tax rate&#8212;namely, whatever it takes to bring demand down to supply. So the the <i>only</i> effect of a tax increase is to transfer monopoly rents from producers to the public sector.</p>

	<p>Of course, raising gas taxes when there&#8217;s  negative shock to supply <i>might</i> discourage investment in increasing capacity&#8212;altho that&#8217;s by no means a sure thing. But if we want to reduce  consumption in the long run, that&#8217;s an added benefit, not a cost.</p>
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		<title>By: jlw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107160</link>
		<dc:creator>jlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how useful the money spent on energy as a percent of GDP relates to its importance as a part of the entire economy. Virtually every economic activity involves some energy use--if nothing more that the streetlights under which hookers advertise their wares. And there is always the danger of unintended consequences, viz. the reduction of energy consumed by the American manufacturing sector becoming the increasing demand in China.

That said, the general thrust of your argument is right on the money: We need not pack up and join a commune (after killing off three of our neighbors) in order to control global greenhouse emissions. The currently projected future emissions are disasterous, but based on a relatively straightforward extrapolation of current trends. And as those trends are an outgrowth of a set of particular public and private sector policies--encouraging suburban and exurban housing, shipment of merchandise by truck, multiple trips by single-occupancy vehicles, and so on--that can be changed. I mean, we changed the previous ways of doing things to the present set; we can change back, too.

Yes, people with a stake in the current set of policies will lose out. But if the changes are made consciously and thoughtfully, then the potential losers (most notably, owners of exurban housing) can be compensated in order to buy their cooperation. But without such changes we are most suredly all going to be losers and our grandchildren will look at all of us with daggers in their eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not sure how useful the money spent on energy as a percent of <span class="caps">GDP</span> relates to its importance as a part of the entire economy. Virtually every economic activity involves some energy use&#8212;if nothing more that the streetlights under which hookers advertise their wares. And there is always the danger of unintended consequences, viz. the reduction of energy consumed by the American manufacturing sector becoming the increasing demand in China.</p>

	<p>That said, the general thrust of your argument is right on the money: We need not pack up and join a commune (after killing off three of our neighbors) in order to control global greenhouse emissions. The currently projected future emissions are disasterous, but based on a relatively straightforward extrapolation of current trends. And as those trends are an outgrowth of a set of particular public and private sector policies&#8212;encouraging suburban and exurban housing, shipment of merchandise by truck, multiple trips by single-occupancy vehicles, and so on&#8212;that can be changed. I mean, we changed the previous ways of doing things to the present set; we can change back, too.</p>

	<p>Yes, people with a stake in the current set of policies will lose out. But if the changes are made consciously and thoughtfully, then the potential losers (most notably, owners of exurban housing) can be compensated in order to buy their cooperation. But without such changes we are most suredly all going to be losers and our grandchildren will look at all of us with daggers in their eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bellamy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/06/hard-cash-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-107159</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bellamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I&#039;m no free market purist, but when gas prices were $1.50 a gallon, people though a 100% tax would be a good idea to drive down demand and spur behavioral changes.&quot;

Maybe that&#039;s a good idea, and maybe not.  But now that gas is $3.00 a gallon, why is the response not &quot;Good, now demand will decrease and behaviors will change,&quot; but rather &quot;Let&#039;s raise taxes to drive down demand and change behavior&quot;?

I recently bought a Prius.  Lots of people I know have done the same.  Why do we think &quot;taxes&quot; will do a better job than &quot;naturally high retail prices&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Now, I&#8217;m no free market purist, but when gas prices were $1.50 a gallon, people though a 100% tax would be a good idea to drive down demand and spur behavioral changes.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Maybe that&#8217;s a good idea, and maybe not.  But now that gas is $3.00 a gallon, why is the response not &#8220;Good, now demand will decrease and behaviors will change,&#8221; but rather &#8220;Let&#8217;s raise taxes to drive down demand and change behavior&#8221;?</p>

	<p>I recently bought a Prius.  Lots of people I know have done the same.  Why do we think &#8220;taxes&#8221; will do a better job than &#8220;naturally high retail prices&#8221;?</p>
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