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		<title>By: Roger Sweeny</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-109164</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Sweeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;surely now the last figleaf of an excuse for not giving Galbraith one is removed.&lt;/i&gt;

All that remains is the relatively large problem that, when it comes to his big ideas, he&#039;s pretty much been wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>surely now the last figleaf of an excuse for not giving Galbraith one is removed.</i></p>

	<p>All that remains is the relatively large problem that, when it comes to his big ideas, he&#8217;s pretty much been wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-109027</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaplan has an interesting piece on  Schelling 
http://slate.msn.com/id/2127862/nav/tap2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kaplan has an interesting piece on  Schelling<br />
<a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/2127862/nav/tap2/" rel="nofollow">http://slate.msn.com/id/2127862/nav/tap2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108209</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough - thanks. Now it can be told: I met with John Hicks a couple of years before I met Joan Robinson. This was when he was still completing the book that was to become: Capital and Growth, and when I was trying very hard to make sense of the thread running through Joan Robinson&#039;s Accumulation of Capital. I mentioned my difficulty to Hicks who said he had tried to read the book and given up. I took some heart from that.

It&#039;s perhaps what I happen to read now but I don&#039;t get much sense that those Cambridge controversies matter much nowadays and growth accounting - which flows from Solow&#039;s model of neo-classical growth - is widely applied. But then I don&#039;t get an impression that neo-classical growth theory is of much use in enlightening us about economic growth in Japan during the 1990s or in Africa during the last 40 years. But I digress from games theory again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fair enough &#8211; thanks. Now it can be told: I met with John Hicks a couple of years before I met Joan Robinson. This was when he was still completing the book that was to become: Capital and Growth, and when I was trying very hard to make sense of the thread running through Joan Robinson&#8217;s Accumulation of Capital. I mentioned my difficulty to Hicks who said he had tried to read the book and given up. I took some heart from that.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s perhaps what I happen to read now but I don&#8217;t get much sense that those Cambridge controversies matter much nowadays and growth accounting &#8211; which flows from Solow&#8217;s model of neo-classical growth &#8211; is widely applied. But then I don&#8217;t get an impression that neo-classical growth theory is of much use in enlightening us about economic growth in Japan during the 1990s or in Africa during the last 40 years. But I digress from games theory again.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108206</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or more specifically, to Aummann for outstanding contributions to game theory, and Schelling for taking results from game theory and using them in other fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>or more specifically, to Aummann for outstanding contributions to game theory, and Schelling for taking results from game theory and using them in other fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108201</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, maybe it’s time we reconsider her argument.&quot;

I don&#039;t believe the 30-year controversy about capital theory is the reason why Joan Robinson deserved a Nobel award: the case depends far more on her path-breaking contributions to the development of Keynesian macroeconomics back in the 1930s and 1940s. However, by the time the Nobel prize for economics was established in 1968, there was already a daunting backlog of prospective award winners, hence the number of joint awards in the early years such as Frisch and Tinbergen, Arrow and Hicks, and von Hayek and Myrdal. The last was certainly a recognition that political theory and analysis of institutions mattered in the context of economic policy.

On the capital theory controversy, one telling item in the conversation I had, almost exactly 40 years ago, was about how Robert Solow had then recently spent a sabbatical year in Cambridge, England, without ever meeting Joan Robinson, who lived there, when Cambridge really isn&#039;t a very large town.

But hell, why discuss a Nobel award for Joan Robinson when we should be properly celebrating the award to Aumann and Schelling for their outstanding contributions to games theory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Well, maybe it&#8217;s time we reconsider her argument.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t believe the 30-year controversy about capital theory is the reason why Joan Robinson deserved a Nobel award: the case depends far more on her path-breaking contributions to the development of Keynesian macroeconomics back in the 1930s and 1940s. However, by the time the Nobel prize for economics was established in 1968, there was already a daunting backlog of prospective award winners, hence the number of joint awards in the early years such as Frisch and Tinbergen, Arrow and Hicks, and von Hayek and Myrdal. The last was certainly a recognition that political theory and analysis of institutions mattered in the context of economic policy.</p>

	<p>On the capital theory controversy, one telling item in the conversation I had, almost exactly 40 years ago, was about how Robert Solow had then recently spent a sabbatical year in Cambridge, England, without ever meeting Joan Robinson, who lived there, when Cambridge really isn&#8217;t a very large town.</p>

	<p>But hell, why discuss a Nobel award for Joan Robinson when we should be properly celebrating the award to Aumann and Schelling for their outstanding contributions to games theory?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Slee</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108199</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Slee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t know how much contribution alone dictates the prize.&quot;

I believe that it is officially, at least, nothing. That is, the prize--at least those in the sciences---is for a discovery or invention or improvement: for a single event or piece of work, not a lifetime of solid work. 

In practice, I guess the distinction is sometimes difficult to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know how much contribution alone dictates the prize.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I believe that it is officially, at least, nothing. That is, the prize&#8212;at least those in the sciences&#8212;-is for a discovery or invention or improvement: for a single event or piece of work, not a lifetime of solid work.</p>

	<p>In practice, I guess the distinction is sometimes difficult to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope never.  There are, of course, even fewer women economists than engineers, rather hilariously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>nope never.  There are, of course, even fewer women economists than engineers, rather hilariously.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108194</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any women won the econ prize? No, I&#039;m not making any implicit arguments that Robinson&#039;s gender has anything to do with her being &quot;overlooked,&quot; or that the prize committees are biased toward men, or any other similar claim. I&#039;m just curious ... and, yes, too lazy to look it up myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Have any women won the econ prize? No, I&#8217;m not making any implicit arguments that Robinson&#8217;s gender has anything to do with her being &#8220;overlooked,&#8221; or that the prize committees are biased toward men, or any other similar claim. I&#8217;m just curious &#8230; and, yes, too lazy to look it up myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108179</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Joan Robinson was deeply opposed on principle to the creation of a Nobel prize for economics.&quot;

Well, maybe it&#039;s time we reconsider her argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Joan Robinson was deeply opposed on principle to the creation of a Nobel prize for economics.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Well, maybe it&#8217;s time we reconsider her argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108175</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of those names, Kahneman and Smith are the only ones who could really be called “outside the mainstream”. I’d also question the Sen example above; he wrote a lot of technical stuff on welfare economics which ranges between “very good” and “excellent”.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that all the variables are being balanced all the time, just that when someone wins for being really well known for x, it seems to get balanced out later (or the same year). So Kahneman is known for experimental work on the failings of the rat choice model, but Smith for experimental work on its successes. Merton and Scholes are big-time financial markets people, Sen is all about welfare, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Of those names, Kahneman and Smith are the only ones who could really be called &#8220;outside the mainstream&#8221;. I&#8217;d also question the Sen example above; he wrote a lot of technical stuff on welfare economics which ranges between &#8220;very good&#8221; and &#8220;excellent&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think that all the variables are being balanced all the time, just that when someone wins for being really well known for x, it seems to get balanced out later (or the same year). So Kahneman is known for experimental work on the failings of the rat choice model, but Smith for experimental work on its successes. Merton and Scholes are big-time financial markets people, Sen is all about welfare, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108171</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a long conversation with her on one occasion the 1960s, I learned that Joan Robinson was deeply opposed on principle to the creation of a Nobel prize for economics because she believed some economists would compromise their work in order to try to win the prize.

This was hardly a unique personal insight imparted to me for she made little secret of this view as far as I could gather. There is probably little doubt that she would have refused the prize had it been awarded to her and very likely the prize awarding institution were aware of her views on the subject and perhaps wanted to avoid mutual embarrassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>From a long conversation with her on one occasion the 1960s, I learned that Joan Robinson was deeply opposed on principle to the creation of a Nobel prize for economics because she believed some economists would compromise their work in order to try to win the prize.</p>

	<p>This was hardly a unique personal insight imparted to me for she made little secret of this view as far as I could gather. There is probably little doubt that she would have refused the prize had it been awarded to her and very likely the prize awarding institution were aware of her views on the subject and perhaps wanted to avoid mutual embarrassment.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108165</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[S]urely now the last figleaf of an excuse for not giving Galbraith one is removed.&quot;  

I don&#039;t know how much contribution alone dictates the prize.   Joan Robinson&#039;s failure to win one doesn&#039;t appear to have been a result of lacking fundamental contributions--hell, the capital controvesy lasted 30 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;[S]urely now the last figleaf of an excuse for not giving Galbraith one is removed.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t know how much contribution alone dictates the prize.   Joan Robinson&#8217;s failure to win one doesn&#8217;t appear to have been a result of lacking fundamental contributions&#8212;hell, the capital controvesy lasted 30 years!</p>
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		<title>By: RedWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aumann was a joy as a teacher. He is one of the sharpest and brightest people I have encountered. As an undergraduate in his class 30 years ago, he seemed humble, polite and no one could catch him making a mistake even in the most complicated proofs; many, some now very famous, students tried very hard with no avail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Aumann was a joy as a teacher. He is one of the sharpest and brightest people I have encountered. As an undergraduate in his class 30 years ago, he seemed humble, polite and no one could catch him making a mistake even in the most complicated proofs; many, some now very famous, students tried very hard with no avail.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108161</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooh I dunno.  Of those names, Kahneman and Smith are the only ones who could really be called &quot;outside the mainstream&quot;.  I&#039;d also question the Sen example above; he wrote a lot of technical stuff on welfare economics which ranges between &quot;very good&quot; and &quot;excellent&quot;.  I can&#039;t think of any recent winner who&#039;s contributed as little as Schelling to economics as a discipline and surely now the last figleaf of an excuse for not giving Galbraith one is removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>oooh I dunno.  Of those names, Kahneman and Smith are the only ones who could really be called &#8220;outside the mainstream&#8221;.  I&#8217;d also question the Sen example above; he wrote a lot of technical stuff on welfare economics which ranges between &#8220;very good&#8221; and &#8220;excellent&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t think of any recent winner who&#8217;s contributed as little as Schelling to economics as a discipline and surely now the last figleaf of an excuse for not giving Galbraith one is removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/10/economics-nobel-for-schelling-and-aumann/comment-page-1/#comment-108158</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have to say that since this is the prize for economics, not political science or anything else&lt;/i&gt;

The prize has been oscillating on _that_ dimension, too: for the past two years we&#039;ve had mainstream economists (Kydland and Prescott last year; Engle and Granger before that), and then before them two years of more maverick types (Kahneman &amp; Smith, Akerlof, Spence &amp; Stiglitz).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I have to say that since this is the prize for economics, not political science or anything else</i></p>

	<p>The prize has been oscillating on <em>that</em> dimension, too: for the past two years we&#8217;ve had mainstream economists (Kydland and Prescott last year; Engle and Granger before that), and then before them two years of more maverick types (Kahneman &#038; Smith, Akerlof, Spence &#038; Stiglitz).</p>
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