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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, I trust that you&#039;ll give us an update on what films you chose and how the screenings went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harry, I trust that you&#8217;ll give us an update on what films you chose and how the screenings went.</p>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
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		<dc:creator>amberglow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 7up series of documentaries and the original Willy Wonka.</description>
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		<title>By: dipnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>dipnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second Ian Cooper&#039;s suggestions.  Both &lt;i&gt;Paddle to the Sea&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;The Rise and Fall of the Great Lakes&lt;/i&gt; stuck in my mind, and I only saw either one once, in my childhood aeons ago.

I&#039;m not even Canadian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Second Ian Cooper&#8217;s suggestions.  Both <i>Paddle to the Sea</i> and <i>The Rise and Fall of the Great Lakes</i> stuck in my mind, and I only saw either one once, in my childhood aeons ago.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not even Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: NickS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t a documentary but if you&#039;re asking this question you probably want to know about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keyofz.com/keyofz/langley/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Langley Music Project&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It isn&#8217;t a documentary but if you&#8217;re asking this question you probably want to know about the <a href="http://www.keyofz.com/keyofz/langley/" rel="nofollow">Langley Music Project</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great ideas here.  Especially I like Spellbound, Mad Hot Ballroom, Amandala, and the Philip Glass stuff.

How about the original Shall We Dance - with Japanese cast and subtitles.  Not the execrable remake.

A couple of years ago one of the studios re-released some silent horror films with new scores.  How about Dracula with a Philip Glass score performed by Kronos Quartet?

There is a good animated Peter and the Wolf.  Also I think there is a film of Leonard Bernstein performing and narrating it for a school audience in the 50s.  Not to mention the Warner Bros. Buggs Bunny does Wagner shorts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Some great ideas here.  Especially I like Spellbound, Mad Hot Ballroom, Amandala, and the Philip Glass stuff.</p>

	<p>How about the original Shall We Dance &#8211; with Japanese cast and subtitles.  Not the execrable remake.</p>

	<p>A couple of years ago one of the studios re-released some silent horror films with new scores.  How about Dracula with a Philip Glass score performed by Kronos Quartet?</p>

	<p>There is a good animated Peter and the Wolf.  Also I think there is a film of Leonard Bernstein performing and narrating it for a school audience in the 50s.  Not to mention the Warner Bros. Buggs Bunny does Wagner shorts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: uncleMonty</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncleMonty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fantastic documentary about one of the earliest electronic musical instruments, and the astounding life of its creator: &quot;Theremin (An Electronic Odysee)&quot;

Theremin was a Russian immigrant inventor in NYC in the 20s and 30s, and was creating a big splash with his Theremin. He was also a glamorous figure, involved with the most beautiful Cuban dancer in NYC. Then he was kidnapped by the KGB who spirited him back to the soviet union to work on spy stuff, and wasn&#039;t heard from for over 50 years. The music is great in this film, there are great interviews (including a hilarious one with Brian Jones of the Beach Boys), and an amazing, amazing twist at the end. I loved this film. Probably not too old for 5th-graders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A fantastic documentary about one of the earliest electronic musical instruments, and the astounding life of its creator: &#8220;Theremin (An Electronic Odysee)&#8221;</p>

	<p>Theremin was a Russian immigrant inventor in <span class="caps">NYC</span> in the 20s and 30s, and was creating a big splash with his Theremin. He was also a glamorous figure, involved with the most beautiful Cuban dancer in <span class="caps">NYC</span>. Then he was kidnapped by the <span class="caps">KGB</span> who spirited him back to the soviet union to work on spy stuff, and wasn&#8217;t heard from for over 50 years. The music is great in this film, there are great interviews (including a hilarious one with Brian Jones of the Beach Boys), and an amazing, amazing twist at the end. I loved this film. Probably not too old for 5th-graders.</p>
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		<title>By: Thlayli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thlayli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Musical documentary ... MGM made a compilation film once, IIRC it was called &lt;i&gt;That&#039;s Entertainment!&lt;/i&gt;  See if you can find that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Musical documentary &#8230; <span class="caps">MGM</span> made a compilation film once, <span class="caps">IIRC</span> it was called <i>That&#8217;s Entertainment!</i>  See if you can find that.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis X. Machina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis X. Machina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There’s always Ken Burns to make jazz boring.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but &lt;i&gt;A Great Day In Harlem&lt;/i&gt; can cancel it out in less than 90 minutes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>There&#8217;s always Ken Burns to make jazz boring.</i></p>

	<p>Yeah, but <i>A Great Day In Harlem</i> can cancel it out in less than 90 minutes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jlw</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spent three summers showing movies in the neighborhood park, so I&#039;ve thought about questions like this. My son is only 4 1/2, so I have to project back to what I&#039;d think I liked when I was 10, or forward to what he&#039;ll like in 2010. . . .

Most of what I&#039;d recommend has been proposed: &lt;i&gt;1776&lt;/i&gt; most definitely, &lt;i&gt;The Music Man,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;The Wizard of Oz,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Spellbound.&lt;/i&gt;

The thing is, most movies are far too long for children, especially children in groups. On that score, I&#039;d suggest looking at some Marx Brothers films, most of which are brief, or some screwball comedies. They don&#039;t have the normative value of a musical or a documentary, but I don&#039;t thnk you can ever overestimate the importance of exposing kids to the classics. 

FYI, my son loved &lt;i&gt;Fantastic Voyage&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; and &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Incredibles,&lt;/i&gt; liked season one of &lt;i&gt;Danger Mouse&lt;/i&gt; better thanseason two, and thinks &lt;i&gt;Thunderbirds&lt;/i&gt; is better to play than to watch. He also knows all the America Rock songs by heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Spent three summers showing movies in the neighborhood park, so I&#8217;ve thought about questions like this. My son is only 4 1/2, so I have to project back to what I&#8217;d think I liked when I was 10, or forward to what he&#8217;ll like in 2010. . . .</p>

	<p>Most of what I&#8217;d recommend has been proposed: <i>1776</i> most definitely, <i>The Music Man,</i> <i>The Wizard of Oz,</i> <i>Spellbound.</i></p>

	<p>The thing is, most movies are far too long for children, especially children in groups. On that score, I&#8217;d suggest looking at some Marx Brothers films, most of which are brief, or some screwball comedies. They don&#8217;t have the normative value of a musical or a documentary, but I don&#8217;t thnk you can ever overestimate the importance of exposing kids to the classics.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">FYI</span>, my son loved <i>Fantastic Voyage</i><i> and </i><i>The Incredibles,</i> liked season one of <i>Danger Mouse</i> better thanseason two, and thinks <i>Thunderbirds</i> is better to play than to watch. He also knows all the America Rock songs by heart.</p>
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		<title>By: yamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>yamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powaqqatsi and Koyaanisqatsi.

Sort of combination musicals/documentaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Powaqqatsi and Koyaanisqatsi.</p>

	<p>Sort of combination musicals/documentaries.</p>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be a bit old for them, but how about the James Burke series &quot;Connections&quot; for the 5th graders? Extremely entertaining look at the development of technology and how it depends on many cross-fertilizations and fortuitous discoveries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Might be a bit old for them, but how about the James Burke series &#8220;Connections&#8221; for the 5th graders? Extremely entertaining look at the development of technology and how it depends on many cross-fertilizations and fortuitous discoveries.</p>
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		<title>By: Miracle Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miracle Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Wiz&lt;/i&gt;, of course.  &lt;i&gt;Osmosis Jones&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;i&gt;Sound of Music, The Music Man&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Wiz</i>, of course.  <i>Osmosis Jones</i>.  <i>Sound of Music, The Music Man</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: SamChevre</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamChevre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One absolutely obvious choice is &quot;The Sound of Music.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hoop Dreams&lt;/i&gt;. One of the greatest documentaries ever made, and it might even inspire them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Hoop Dreams</i>. One of the greatest documentaries ever made, and it might even inspire them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last note for now:


I&#039;m assuming this will take place in a formal setting, not a family one. 

With the longer stuff, it&#039;s perfectly possible to show it to kids, if you are prepared to waive the usual format for viewing. Depending on your schedule, you might break it up into two or three parts and have a fifteen-minute group discussion at the break. 

There are enough natural breaks in any film to make this possible. This revives flagging interest, as it allows the children to set new goals for watching. (Initial goals are simply to find out what&#039;s going on, but after a while, attention drops. New goals can be formed explictly, like figuring out whether the guys in Cuba will ever get to Carnegie Hall, etc.) 

It also helps to have a clarification around here - what was that guy doing? etc, for those children who&#039;ve missed the bus. Cookies are indicated. Keep the breaks short though, otherwise the movie&#039;s over. 

I also favour and encourage talking during the viewing, even if it slows things down. For kids it&#039;s a social occassion and being forced to sit like little tin soldiers and pretend to pay attention in service of a social formality is just plain dumb. So talking, together, is good. Not too much, but not too little. But this was informal/family viewing. 

Btw, the talking is more like faciliation aimed at eliciting. Lots of questions that you let the kids answer themselves. Kids like to explain things to you. Helped me a lot too. :)

Lots of &quot;wow, isn&#039;t that coooooool&quot; openly, and other opinions encouraged too. Break down the audience barrier. Lead by example:). Learn to say &quot;kewl&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Last note for now:</p>


	<p>I&#8217;m assuming this will take place in a formal setting, not a family one.</p>

	<p>With the longer stuff, it&#8217;s perfectly possible to show it to kids, if you are prepared to waive the usual format for viewing. Depending on your schedule, you might break it up into two or three parts and have a fifteen-minute group discussion at the break.</p>

	<p>There are enough natural breaks in any film to make this possible. This revives flagging interest, as it allows the children to set new goals for watching. (Initial goals are simply to find out what&#8217;s going on, but after a while, attention drops. New goals can be formed explictly, like figuring out whether the guys in Cuba will ever get to Carnegie Hall, etc.)</p>

	<p>It also helps to have a clarification around here &#8211; what was that guy doing? etc, for those children who&#8217;ve missed the bus. Cookies are indicated. Keep the breaks short though, otherwise the movie&#8217;s over.</p>

	<p>I also favour and encourage talking during the viewing, even if it slows things down. For kids it&#8217;s a social occassion and being forced to sit like little tin soldiers and pretend to pay attention in service of a social formality is just plain dumb. So talking, together, is good. Not too much, but not too little. But this was informal/family viewing.</p>

	<p>Btw, the talking is more like faciliation aimed at eliciting. Lots of questions that you let the kids answer themselves. Kids like to explain things to you. Helped me a lot too. :)</p>

	<p>Lots of &#8220;wow, isn&#8217;t that coooooool&#8221; openly, and other opinions encouraged too. Break down the audience barrier. Lead by example:). Learn to say &#8220;kewl&#8221;.</p>
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