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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109678</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stil, there&#039;s a significant difference between a whore and a demented crack-whore. For some people it may be a difference between life and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Stil, there&#8217;s a significant difference between a whore and a demented crack-whore. For some people it may be a difference between life and death.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109673</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dd:  

I guess that&#039;s where we disagree.  Biden, for instance, is a wholly owned subsidiary of MBNA.  He&#039;s a senior Democratic senator.  In reality, he&#039;s the same as a Republican corporate whore, just without all the superstitious and jingoistic accessorizing.  

Yes, the Demo-whores would&#039;ve gone after the Republi-whores, and we would all make popcorn and have great fun watching it, but what would really result?  

They all swim in the same sewer:  money = speech, therefore policy = a commodity.  The rest is just advertising.  Until the DNC has been wrested from the clutches of the DLC, there are too many Democrats who are as bought and paid for as the whole GOP.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dd:</p>

	<p>I guess that&#8217;s where we disagree.  Biden, for instance, is a wholly owned subsidiary of <span class="caps">MBNA</span>.  He&#8217;s a senior Democratic senator.  In reality, he&#8217;s the same as a Republican corporate whore, just without all the superstitious and jingoistic accessorizing.</p>

	<p>Yes, the Demo-whores would&#8217;ve gone after the Republi-whores, and we would all make popcorn and have great fun watching it, but what would really result?</p>

	<p>They all swim in the same sewer:  money = speech, therefore policy = a commodity.  The rest is just advertising.  Until the <span class="caps">DNC</span> has been wrested from the clutches of the <span class="caps">DLC</span>, there are too many Democrats who are as bought and paid for as the whole <span class="caps">GOP</span>.<br />
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109661</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t miss this new excellent (and relevant here) piece by Werther: &lt;a href=&quot;http://counterpunch.com/werther10132005.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Two-Headed Monster&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t miss this new excellent (and relevant here) piece by Werther: <a href="http://counterpunch.com/werther10132005.html" rel="nofollow">The Two-Headed Monster</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109640</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigmacattack, what I mean is that the public is in favor of ending the disastrous war in Iraq, supporting the reconstruction of the areas affected by Katrina, expanding public-supported health care, and pro-abortion in most cases, among other things. Few of which the Democrats will touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bigmacattack, what I mean is that the public is in favor of ending the disastrous war in Iraq, supporting the reconstruction of the areas affected by Katrina, expanding public-supported health care, and pro-abortion in most cases, among other things. Few of which the Democrats will touch.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109634</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... a Democratically controlled Congress ... really doesn’t matter. The Dem’s just don’t offer much of an alternative because too many of them are as whored out as the Republicans.&quot;

Like hell it doesn&#039;t matter.  Bush, Cheney and co. would have probably been impeached by now for a range of scandals if the congressional committees were controlled by his opponents rather than his friends.  And on policy, being both over-cautious and beholden to a wide range of interest groups is far preferable to being crazily wrong and being beholden to a small set of interest groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;&#8230; a Democratically controlled Congress &#8230; really doesn&#8217;t matter. The Dem&#8217;s just don&#8217;t offer much of an alternative because too many of them are as whored out as the Republicans.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Like hell it doesn&#8217;t matter.  Bush, Cheney and co. would have probably been impeached by now for a range of scandals if the congressional committees were controlled by his opponents rather than his friends.  And on policy, being both over-cautious and beholden to a wide range of interest groups is far preferable to being crazily wrong and being beholden to a small set of interest groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Surber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109627</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Surber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Going Oh-fer-&#039;06&lt;/strong&gt;

Crooked Timber argues that Republicans have blacklash insurance:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Going Oh-fer-&#8217;06</strong></p>

	<p>Crooked Timber argues that Republicans have blacklash insurance:</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone please explain to me how Miers speaks to the political center?  Was it the point she converted to Evangelicalism or do you simply think that the center merely wanted a woman?

I honestly don&#039;t see Miers making much sense across the board.  It&#039;s understandable that the right doesn&#039;t like her.  It&#039;s understandable that the left doesn&#039;t like her.  I just don&#039;t follow the thinking that the center does.  She seems to have little to offer.

Regarding the candidates Democrats offer though, I tend to agree.  I think in last years election Bush was amazingly week.  It took a candidate like Kerry to lose.  Exactly why Democrats do this honestly escapes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Someone please explain to me how Miers speaks to the political center?  Was it the point she converted to Evangelicalism or do you simply think that the center merely wanted a woman?</p>

	<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see Miers making much sense across the board.  It&#8217;s understandable that the right doesn&#8217;t like her.  It&#8217;s understandable that the left doesn&#8217;t like her.  I just don&#8217;t follow the thinking that the center does.  She seems to have little to offer.</p>

	<p>Regarding the candidates Democrats offer though, I tend to agree.  I think in last years election Bush was amazingly week.  It took a candidate like Kerry to lose.  Exactly why Democrats do this honestly escapes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How was it that rotten boroughs were removed in the early 1800s? Does the politics that managed to get that through have any lessons for trying to rid the US of gerrymandering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How was it that rotten boroughs were removed in the early 1800s? Does the politics that managed to get that through have any lessons for trying to rid the US of gerrymandering?</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109497</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, the Democrats are corrupt bastards, the Republicans are far worse, out there in a different league. And I don&#039;t think you can say that the Democrats are without power; individual Democratic politicians do have a lot of power. And they sell off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Richard, the Democrats are corrupt bastards, the Republicans are far worse, out there in a different league. And I don&#8217;t think you can say that the Democrats are without power; individual Democratic politicians do have a lot of power. And they sell off.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109494</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t really understand why the task of making the G.O.P. more moderate isn’t even considered. Bigmacattack is right—I don’t think G.O.P. voters particularly want to destroy the Social security system. And I think you probably could get more movement on national health care from within the G.O.P. than B. thinks—you could at the very least modify Big Pharma’s attempt to stifle competition in the drug market.&quot;

Sure, but how ?  To get any power in the current GOP
you need the support of either big business or
the religious right, and preferably both.
To make the GOP more moderate on social policy
you have to fight the religious right; to make the
GOP more moderate on economic issues you have to
fight big business.  The views of GOP voters just
don&#039;t make any difference, unless and until enough
of them switch to the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t really understand why the task of making the G.O.P. more moderate isn&#8217;t even considered. Bigmacattack is right&#8212;I don&#8217;t think G.O.P. voters particularly want to destroy the Social security system. And I think you probably could get more movement on national health care from within the G.O.P. than B. thinks&#8212;you could at the very least modify Big Pharma&#8217;s attempt to stifle competition in the drug market.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Sure, but how ?  To get any power in the current <span class="caps">GOP</span><br />
you need the support of either big business or<br />
the religious right, and preferably both.<br />
To make the <span class="caps">GOP</span> more moderate on social policy<br />
you have to fight the religious right; to make the<br />
<span class="caps">GOP</span> more moderate on economic issues you have to<br />
fight big business.  The views of <span class="caps">GOP</span> voters just<br />
don&#8217;t make any difference, unless and until enough<br />
of them switch to the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: save_the_rustbelt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109493</link>
		<dc:creator>save_the_rustbelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP has never been as unified as you might think, there just haven&#039;t been any good alternatives.

Anyone wonder why Bush barely won Ohio, where Dems haven&#039;t won anything in more than a decade?

There is plenty of economic disenchantment but running Kerry (with Theresa and a Gulfstream) didn&#039;t do the job (plus the campaign was a Bob Shrum cluster-mess).

Unless the Dems can build a bridge to the pro-life blue collar vote, the Red states will stay Red. The only other hope is that Bush continues to break everything he touches.

The Dems also hurt themselves when they come up with lame crap like &quot;there is no problem with Social Security.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <span class="caps">GOP</span> has never been as unified as you might think, there just haven&#8217;t been any good alternatives.</p>

	<p>Anyone wonder why Bush barely won Ohio, where Dems haven&#8217;t won anything in more than a decade?</p>

	<p>There is plenty of economic disenchantment but running Kerry (with Theresa and a Gulfstream) didn&#8217;t do the job (plus the campaign was a Bob Shrum cluster-mess).</p>

	<p>Unless the Dems can build a bridge to the pro-life blue collar vote, the Red states will stay Red. The only other hope is that Bush continues to break everything he touches.</p>

	<p>The Dems also hurt themselves when they come up with lame crap like &#8220;there is no problem with Social Security.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article in the Atlantic by James Fallows a couple months ago, a sort of fantasy of a new party coming into power in the U.S. in 2020. Fallows&#039; premise is, I think, correct. At the moment, the Republicans have such a lock on the Sunbelt and certain mountain states that it is hard to envision the Dems winning back the legislative branch.  

Now, let&#039;s grant for a moment that the Dems are the less corrupt and more progressive party -- which I doubt. Still, this should pose some big questions for progressives who want to create some automatic identity between liberalism and voting Democratic. If liberalism really is a position about what government should and shouldn&#039;t do, the obvious task is not to vote suicidally Democrat, but to make Dems more liberal and the G.O.P. more moderate -- to take up an argument from the previous post about this book. I don&#039;t really understand why the task of making the G.O.P. more moderate isn&#039;t even considered. Bigmacattack is right -- I don&#039;t think G.O.P. voters particularly want to destroy the Social security system. And I think you probably could get more movement on national health care from within the G.O.P. than B. thinks -- you could at the very least modify Big Pharma&#039;s attempt to stifle competition in the drug market. In fact, that is just the sort of pro-capitalist position I think G.O.P. voters would go for. 
I find the blind dismissal of the G.O.P. rather incomprehensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There was an article in the Atlantic by James Fallows a couple months ago, a sort of fantasy of a new party coming into power in the U.S. in 2020. Fallows&#8217; premise is, I think, correct. At the moment, the Republicans have such a lock on the Sunbelt and certain mountain states that it is hard to envision the Dems winning back the legislative branch.</p>

	<p>Now, let&#8217;s grant for a moment that the Dems are the less corrupt and more progressive party&#8212;which I doubt. Still, this should pose some big questions for progressives who want to create some automatic identity between liberalism and voting Democratic. If liberalism really is a position about what government should and shouldn&#8217;t do, the obvious task is not to vote suicidally Democrat, but to make Dems more liberal and the G.O.P. more moderate&#8212;to take up an argument from the previous post about this book. I don&#8217;t really understand why the task of making the G.O.P. more moderate isn&#8217;t even considered. Bigmacattack is right&#8212;I don&#8217;t think G.O.P. voters particularly want to destroy the Social security system. And I think you probably could get more movement on national health care from within the G.O.P. than B. thinks&#8212;you could at the very least modify Big Pharma&#8217;s attempt to stifle competition in the drug market. In fact, that is just the sort of pro-capitalist position I think G.O.P. voters would go for.<br />
I find the blind dismissal of the G.O.P. rather incomprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109430</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to share at least a smidgen of Richard&#039;s relative optimism, but it&#039;s Grand Moff Texan who really sums up my own outlook, in all its dismal dreariness. I&#039;ve been waiting for the Repub coalition of fatcats and theocrats to start fraying around the edges since Reagan&#039;s first term. I don&#039;t see it anywhere on the horizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d love to share at least a smidgen of Richard&#8217;s relative optimism, but it&#8217;s Grand Moff Texan who really sums up my own outlook, in all its dismal dreariness. I&#8217;ve been waiting for the Repub coalition of fatcats and theocrats to start fraying around the edges since Reagan&#8217;s first term. I don&#8217;t see it anywhere on the horizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109422</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While it’s true that the Democrats are corrupt bastards&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t be quite that cynical myself.  Power
corrupts: without power, you might as well be 
honest.  So there&#039;s nothing in the current
Democratic leadership to compare with the scale of
the Abramoff scandals.    They might *become*
corrupt bastards if they win power, but for the
moment I&#039;ll take my chances with the possibly-corrupt-in-future
against the already-proven-corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;While it&#8217;s true that the Democrats are corrupt bastards&#8221;</p>

	<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be quite that cynical myself.  Power<br />
corrupts: without power, you might as well be<br />
honest.  So there&#8217;s nothing in the current<br />
Democratic leadership to compare with the scale of<br />
the Abramoff scandals.    They might <strong>become</strong><br />
corrupt bastards if they win power, but for the<br />
moment I&#8217;ll take my chances with the possibly-corrupt-in-future<br />
against the already-proven-corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/13/backlash-insurance/comment-page-1/#comment-109380</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree with Richard. While it&#039;s true that the Democrats are corrupt bastards, they&#039;ve been very careful not to alienate anyone in the last couple of years and this tactic just may work in 2006 if the Republicans keep doing what they&#039;ve been doing so far - which is a clear possibility.

The &#039;uphill battle&#039; metaphor in the NYT article is a quote from the RNC chair, what else would you expect him to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think I agree with Richard. While it&#8217;s true that the Democrats are corrupt bastards, they&#8217;ve been very careful not to alienate anyone in the last couple of years and this tactic just may work in 2006 if the Republicans keep doing what they&#8217;ve been doing so far &#8211; which is a clear possibility.</p>

	<p>The &#8216;uphill battle&#8217; metaphor in the <span class="caps">NYT</span> article is a quote from the <span class="caps">RNC</span> chair, what else would you expect him to say?</p>
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