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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: paul lawson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/15/i-read-the-news-today/comment-page-1/#comment-110196</link>
		<dc:creator>paul lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia was a 19th century set of ideas (8 hr day, votes for women, though the Kiwis were first, etc.) and rather a nice set at that. It is now over. It is... Howard/Ruddock/Abbott/Vanstone/Costello Land.

Sedition is revived. Perhaps the most seditious act about 50% of the populace could commit is to &#039;offend&#039; en masse and demand 7 years of free rent. That might put some economic pressure on the new ruling class. Though they may respond with...what? Executions? Stay wherever you are Brian, there is no &#039;home&#039; to come home to.

In a famous common law case of sedition, circa 1622, Sir John Sedley, caught short, inadvertently pissed on the King from a balcony.

Perhaps the tradition should be revived this time &#039;vertently&#039;.

And why not? After all we won&#039;t have any jobs at a living wage. So much for Justice Higgins.

&#039;Transportation&#039; may also have been revived. There is precedent. Perhaps we should all report to a Government agency to have our ankles measured for leg irons.

About $100million could be earned by a supine media helping persuade us that this is good.

There is no &#039;blood&#039; in the former Australia, nor in this this spring much wattle.

Perhaps Quiggin has an algorithm for the economic effects of mass civil disobedience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Australia was a 19th century set of ideas (8 hr day, votes for women, though the Kiwis were first, etc.) and rather a nice set at that. It is now over. It is&#8230; Howard/Ruddock/Abbott/Vanstone/Costello Land.</p>

	<p>Sedition is revived. Perhaps the most seditious act about 50% of the populace could commit is to &#8216;offend&#8217; en masse and demand 7 years of free rent. That might put some economic pressure on the new ruling class. Though they may respond with&#8230;what? Executions? Stay wherever you are Brian, there is no &#8216;home&#8217; to come home to.</p>

	<p>In a famous common law case of sedition, circa 1622, Sir John Sedley, caught short, inadvertently pissed on the King from a balcony.</p>

	<p>Perhaps the tradition should be revived this time &#8216;vertently&#8217;.</p>

	<p>And why not? After all we won&#8217;t have any jobs at a living wage. So much for Justice Higgins.</p>

	<p>&#8216;Transportation&#8217; may also have been revived. There is precedent. Perhaps we should all report to a Government agency to have our ankles measured for leg irons.</p>

	<p>About $100million could be earned by a supine media helping persuade us that this is good.</p>

	<p>There is no &#8216;blood&#8217; in the former Australia, nor in this this spring much wattle.</p>

	<p>Perhaps Quiggin has an algorithm for the economic effects of mass civil disobedience.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/15/i-read-the-news-today/comment-page-1/#comment-110057</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;New sedition offences will put big constraints on anti-war protests, familiar since the Vietnam era …&lt;/i&gt;

Could someone fill us non-Aussies in on this one? Thanks.

&lt;i&gt;ORDINARY As in “ordinary hours of work” set by law at 38 per week. But WorkChoices will allow them to be worked in an extraordinary fashion: “It will be possible for ordinary hours to be averaged over a period of up to 12 months.” So 80 here, 20 there and so on.&lt;/i&gt;

IIRC, this is precisely how the Jospin government in France got the business lobby to swallow the reduction to a 35-hour work week...but I could be wrong about that. Anybody?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>New sedition offences will put big constraints on anti-war protests, familiar since the Vietnam era &#8230;</i></p>

	<p>Could someone fill us non-Aussies in on this one? Thanks.</p>

	<p><i><span class="caps">ORDINARY </span>As in &#8220;ordinary hours of work&#8221; set by law at 38 per week. But WorkChoices will allow them to be worked in an extraordinary fashion: &#8220;It will be possible for ordinary hours to be averaged over a period of up to 12 months.&#8221; So 80 here, 20 there and so on.</i></p>

	<p><span class="caps">IIRC</span>, this is precisely how the Jospin government in France got the business lobby to swallow the reduction to a 35-hour work week&#8230;but I could be wrong about that. Anybody?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my mind the house arrest part is especially troublesome.  Is the any measure to make sure that charges are brought in a reasonable time or that the matter can be reviewed?  If not, one wonders how long such suspects will be able to maintain a house to be arrested in once their work opportunties, phone contact, movement, etc. are contained in these ways.  I hope it won&#039;t pass.  I&#039;d be shocked if Australia didn&#039;t live up to its glorious past of applying laws somewhat like this only to the darkies as well.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To my mind the house arrest part is especially troublesome.  Is the any measure to make sure that charges are brought in a reasonable time or that the matter can be reviewed?  If not, one wonders how long such suspects will be able to maintain a house to be arrested in once their work opportunties, phone contact, movement, etc. are contained in these ways.  I hope it won&#8217;t pass.  I&#8217;d be shocked if Australia didn&#8217;t live up to its glorious past of applying laws somewhat like this only to the darkies as well.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Syd Webb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/15/i-read-the-news-today/comment-page-1/#comment-110050</link>
		<dc:creator>Syd Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Supporting the insurgency in Iraq, Afghanistan or any country where Australian troops are deployed could carry a penalty of seven years’ jail under the Prime Minister’s new terrorism laws&lt;/i&gt;

The anti-sedition laws are a puzzler.  A lot depends on how we are allowed to view the invasion and occupation of Iraq.  On one hand, there were top Nazi officials executed, not for human rights abuses or crimes against humanity, but simply for waging aggressive war.  If the invasion of Iraq &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; represent waging aggressive war then we should all speak out.

OTOH our government has a legal opinion that the invasion was authorised by an earlier UN resolution which would have been confirmed by a definitive subsequent ruling were it not for the pesky French/requirement for a 9-6 majority on the Security Council.

OTOOH other legal authorities have opined that UN Resolution 1441 did not authorise the military invasion.  Certainly the invasion and occupation was not led by the UN.

It&#039;s all very vexing.  Are our leaders war criminals who should be opposed at every turn?  Or are they agents for peace and collective security, attempting to carry out the will of a schizophrenic UN?

The ideal solution would be a Nuremburg style tribunal for Messrs Howard, Blair and Bush to resolve the issue to everyone&#039;s satisfaction.  It&#039;d be a fair trial and a chance to clear their names.  Until then, assume that everyone is innocent and don&#039;t introduce anti-sedition laws because its unclear what, if anything, there is to be seditious against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Supporting the insurgency in Iraq, Afghanistan or any country where Australian troops are deployed could carry a penalty of seven years&#8217; jail under the Prime Minister&#8217;s new terrorism laws</i></p>

	<p>The anti-sedition laws are a puzzler.  A lot depends on how we are allowed to view the invasion and occupation of Iraq.  On one hand, there were top Nazi officials executed, not for human rights abuses or crimes against humanity, but simply for waging aggressive war.  If the invasion of Iraq <i>did</i> represent waging aggressive war then we should all speak out.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">OTOH</span> our government has a legal opinion that the invasion was authorised by an earlier UN resolution which would have been confirmed by a definitive subsequent ruling were it not for the pesky French/requirement for a 9-6 majority on the Security Council.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">OTOOH</span> other legal authorities have opined that <span class="caps">UN </span>Resolution 1441 did not authorise the military invasion.  Certainly the invasion and occupation was not led by the UN.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s all very vexing.  Are our leaders war criminals who should be opposed at every turn?  Or are they agents for peace and collective security, attempting to carry out the will of a schizophrenic UN?</p>

	<p>The ideal solution would be a Nuremburg style tribunal for Messrs Howard, Blair and Bush to resolve the issue to everyone&#8217;s satisfaction.  It&#8217;d be a fair trial and a chance to clear their names.  Until then, assume that everyone is innocent and don&#8217;t introduce anti-sedition laws because its unclear what, if anything, there is to be seditious against.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/15/i-read-the-news-today/comment-page-1/#comment-109939</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compared to what is proposed in the UK those terror laws seem fairly mild. 48 hours or 90 days before being charged?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Compared to what is proposed in the UK those terror laws seem fairly mild. 48 hours or 90 days before being charged?</p>
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		<title>By: snuh</title>
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		<dc:creator>snuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am so chucking a sickee on monday. should the boss try and determine whether i am actually sick, i will respond to his message by telling him that, unfortunately, i am “not able to be contacted for the time being”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>i am so chucking a sickee on monday. should the boss try and determine whether i am actually sick, i will respond to his message by telling him that, unfortunately, i am &#8220;not able to be contacted for the time being&#8221;.</p>
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