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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-113559</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That aspects of politics have, in large measure, radically and decisively devolved into an egoistic sense of &quot;feeling superior&quot; is a substantial part of what was being countered.  That this &lt;i&gt;politics as reified egoism&lt;/i&gt; also results in a self-blindered apathy, even as regards situations like Rwanda and the Sudan (both southern Sudan since the mid-80s and Darfur, in the west, more recently) is an additional part of what was being commented on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That aspects of politics have, in large measure, radically and decisively devolved into an egoistic sense of &#8220;feeling superior&#8221; is a substantial part of what was being countered.  That this <i>politics as reified egoism</i> also results in a self-blindered apathy, even as regards situations like Rwanda and the Sudan (both southern Sudan since the mid-80s and Darfur, in the west, more recently) is an additional part of what was being commented on.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111854</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...while the Neo-Right easily succeeds in mustering coalition command force to perpetrate the murder, mayhem and genocidal intent. Yes, definitely something to feel superior about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8230;while the Neo-Right easily succeeds in mustering coalition command force to perpetrate the murder, mayhem and genocidal intent. Yes, definitely something to feel superior about.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111777</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet the basic problem is snark is virtually all that&#039;s been displayed here, and a notably common snark it is; arrogating Larkin&#039;s name manages to crawl lower still.  And this, the solo happy note herein, is inadvertently self-referential; the perfect mirror image:

&quot;There&#039;s no escape
The big pricks are out
They’ll fuck everything in sight
Watch your back&quot;

Recently wrote the following of the self-enamored Brian Leiter:

&lt;i&gt;Leiter personifies, and thus throws into sharp relief, that loquacious, articulate, self-promoting and abstracted intelligence of the presumptive and sneering left. Capable within a limited range, he arrogates across a much broader range. To help bolster those arrogations he readily resorts to displays of contempt - which reflects but one weakness he manifests with his blowfish and big-bad-wolf tactics.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;All this is not at all untypical from this intellectually stunted, yet resolutely self-admiring leftish quarter of academe.&lt;/i&gt;

Written of Leiter, but applicable to Leiter-esque, self-reverential self-referents herein - and transparently so.

But what more substantively tells the lie to the Left&#039;s self-reverential qualities - and what simultaneously justifies Hitchens&#039;s tone and contempt - is that even in the face of Rwanda or the Sudan the Left fails to muster an EU or coalition command force to repel the murder, mayhem and genocidal intent.  Perhaps, as with Rwanda, Hollywood will produce an aesthetically pleasing film, allowing the Left their repose in theatres and waxing, never waning, with impotent, self-enamored, moralistic pretensions; solipcists all, their self-regard abundantly on display.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yet the basic problem is snark is virtually all that&#8217;s been displayed here, and a notably common snark it is; arrogating Larkin&#8217;s name manages to crawl lower still.  And this, the solo happy note herein, is inadvertently self-referential; the perfect mirror image:</p>

	<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no escape<br />
The big pricks are out<br />
They&#8217;ll fuck everything in sight<br />
Watch your back&#8221;</p>

	<p>Recently wrote the following of the self-enamored Brian Leiter:</p>

	<p><i>Leiter personifies, and thus throws into sharp relief, that loquacious, articulate, self-promoting and abstracted intelligence of the presumptive and sneering left. Capable within a limited range, he arrogates across a much broader range. To help bolster those arrogations he readily resorts to displays of contempt &#8211; which reflects but one weakness he manifests with his blowfish and big-bad-wolf tactics.</i></p>

	<p><i>All this is not at all untypical from this intellectually stunted, yet resolutely self-admiring leftish quarter of academe.</i></p>

	<p>Written of Leiter, but applicable to Leiter-esque, self-reverential self-referents herein &#8211; and transparently so.</p>

	<p>But what more substantively tells the lie to the Left&#8217;s self-reverential qualities &#8211; and what simultaneously justifies Hitchens&#8217;s tone and contempt &#8211; is that even in the face of Rwanda or the Sudan the Left fails to muster an EU or coalition command force to repel the murder, mayhem and genocidal intent.  Perhaps, as with Rwanda, Hollywood will produce an aesthetically pleasing film, allowing the Left their repose in theatres and waxing, never waning, with impotent, self-enamored, moralistic pretensions; solipcists all, their self-regard abundantly on display.</p>
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		<title>By: snuh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111333</link>
		<dc:creator>snuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pinter has had cancer since 2002. thankfully the &quot;long silence&quot; that hitchens fervently wishes for has yet to commence.

or perhaps hitchens is trying to slyly reference pinter&#039;s plays [which have lots of long silences], and he sorta didn&#039;t notice how his comment could be read as hoping for pinter&#039;s death.  or, perhaps hitchens is a dick.  it&#039;s wide open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>pinter has had cancer since 2002. thankfully the &#8220;long silence&#8221; that hitchens fervently wishes for has yet to commence.</p>

	<p>or perhaps hitchens is trying to slyly reference pinter&#8217;s plays [which have lots of long silences], and he sorta didn&#8217;t notice how his comment could be read as hoping for pinter&#8217;s death.  or, perhaps hitchens is a dick.  it&#8217;s wide open.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom T.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111297</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait...so who has cancer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wait&#8230;so who has cancer?</p>
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		<title>By: Phyllis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111295</link>
		<dc:creator>Phyllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A master class in snark. I salute all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A master class in snark. I salute all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111281</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, maybe I&#039;ve just been reading too much about definite descriptions lately, but this seems to point out something like a presupposition failure in Hitchens&#039; use of &quot;&lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; thuggish bigmouth who...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm, maybe I&#8217;ve just been reading too much about definite descriptions lately, but this seems to point out something like a presupposition failure in Hitchens&#8217; use of &#8220;<i>the</i> thuggish bigmouth who&#8230;&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111277</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In re 5, comment 3 was intended to accuse C. Hitchens of shabbiness, not C. Bertram.  As far as I know Hitchens does not have cancer. 

Just wanted to be clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In re 5, comment 3 was intended to accuse C. Hitchens of shabbiness, not C. Bertram.  As far as I know Hitchens does not have cancer.</p>

	<p>Just wanted to be clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111255</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheer nonsense.  As I say &quot;The big pricks are out/They&#039;ll fuck everything in sight&quot; is brilliant poetry (and a rather good, multiply-meaning joke).  If you can&#039;t see that it&#039;s a fantastic use of language; bawdy and powerful at the same time, then it&#039;s your own ear that&#039;s gone a bit tinny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sheer nonsense.  As I say &#8220;The big pricks are out/They&#8217;ll fuck everything in sight&#8221; is brilliant poetry (and a rather good, multiply-meaning joke).  If you can&#8217;t see that it&#8217;s a fantastic use of language; bawdy and powerful at the same time, then it&#8217;s your own ear that&#8217;s gone a bit tinny.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hardie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111217</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hardie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;He came into a restaurant where I was eating yesterday evening; as best as I could tell, he looked to be stumbling a little.&#039;

Thank God, rumours of his demise were exaggerated: Mr Pooter lives! It&#039;s the careful &#039;as best as I could tell&#039; that gives him away- only Pooter could maintain his composure, albeit with a struggle, in the presence of such wickedness. Stumbling, Sir- stumbling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;He came into a restaurant where I was eating yesterday evening; as best as I could tell, he looked to be stumbling a little.&#8217;</p>

	<p>Thank God, rumours of his demise were exaggerated: Mr Pooter lives! It&#8217;s the careful &#8216;as best as I could tell&#8217; that gives him away- only Pooter could maintain his composure, albeit with a struggle, in the presence of such wickedness. Stumbling, Sir- stumbling!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Eric Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111211</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Eric Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His poetry is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/10/on_evaluative_c.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;very definition of terrible&lt;/a&gt;...not that I know what that is, mind you, but I have some idea:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The rhyme scheme?  Terrible.  The rhythm?  Uninterestingly inconsistent.  The propagandistic intent?  Brazenly transparent.  Combine aesthetic inaudicity with patent proselytical intent and what you have resembles neither art nor skillful propaganda so much as an adolescent discharge of undigested emotion.  Does this constitute evaluative criticism?  It certainly does.  I find it interesting that the ear for language Pinter possessed in the &#039;50s and &#039;60s has turned tin since his retirement.  I had always considered that particular skill permanently acquired.  Pinter proved me wrong.  Whatever it is about his political commitments that has caused his ear such atrophy interests me intellectually, but it doesn&#039;t validate his latter-day ejecta aesthetically.  It gives them the gravitas due all talent squandered, but it doesn&#039;t compel me to read a whit more than I absolutely have to. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can admire his politics (minus Milošević), but it&#039;s difficult to defend that poetry on anything resembling aesthetic grounds.  (More at that link up there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>His poetry is the <a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/10/on_evaluative_c.html" rel="nofollow">very definition of terrible</a>&#8230;not that I know what that is, mind you, but I have some idea:</p>

	<p><blockquote>The rhyme scheme?  Terrible.  The rhythm?  Uninterestingly inconsistent.  The propagandistic intent?  Brazenly transparent.  Combine aesthetic inaudicity with patent proselytical intent and what you have resembles neither art nor skillful propaganda so much as an adolescent discharge of undigested emotion.  Does this constitute evaluative criticism?  It certainly does.  I find it interesting that the ear for language Pinter possessed in the &#8216;50s and &#8216;60s has turned tin since his retirement.  I had always considered that particular skill permanently acquired.  Pinter proved me wrong.  Whatever it is about his political commitments that has caused his ear such atrophy interests me intellectually, but it doesn&#8217;t validate his latter-day ejecta aesthetically.  It gives them the gravitas due all talent squandered, but it doesn&#8217;t compel me to read a whit more than I absolutely have to. </blockquote></p>

	<p>You can admire his politics (minus Milo&#353;ević), but it&#8217;s difficult to defend that poetry on anything resembling aesthetic grounds.  (More at that link up there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111120</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if you look at the Hitchens-Galloway debate, you can see in those moments where Hitch warns the crowd that they are on television, are being watched, and therefore must be careful. . . you can see the spirit of Andrei Zhdanov.  By embracing this new &lt;em&gt;partinost&#039;&lt;/em&gt; in literature, he&#039;s just continuing to channel that spirit.  Orwell would&#039;ve been proud . . . had he been a stooge for Stalin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, if you look at the Hitchens-Galloway debate, you can see in those moments where Hitch warns the crowd that they are on television, are being watched, and therefore must be careful. . . you can see the spirit of Andrei Zhdanov.  By embracing this new <em>partinost&#8217;</em> in literature, he&#8217;s just continuing to channel that spirit.  Orwell would&#8217;ve been proud . . . had he been a stooge for Stalin.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111117</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, what is he doing in the paid part of the WSJ? I thought they were supposed to use their opinionjournal.com for ideological crap. Do people now pay to read Hitchens&#039; opinions?

Well, maybe he&#039;ll get some AEI prize some day, certainly they can spend a few mils for an award to the most useful idiot supporting the current war-to-end-all-wars effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm, what is he doing in the paid part of the <span class="caps">WSJ</span>? I thought they were supposed to use their opinionjournal.com for ideological crap. Do people now pay to read Hitchens&#8217; opinions?</p>

	<p>Well, maybe he&#8217;ll get some <span class="caps">AEI</span> prize some day, certainly they can spend a few mils for an award to the most useful idiot supporting the current war-to-end-all-wars effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. When will the blind literary world of comformist sheep recognise that in fact it is the ‘Hitch’ who is the greatest prose stylist of this or any other generation?

In fairness to him, he used to be a very good prose stylist when he wanted to be - some of his reviewing is first rate. Always had the nasty streak though. I suspect that it&#039;s not only the drink that&#039;s crippling his writing, but the transparent lack of faith - he must realise that he&#039;s argued himself into a corner that he shouldn&#039;t be in. He came into a restaurant where I was eating yesterday evening; as best as I could tell, he looked to be stumbling a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote>When will the blind literary world of comformist sheep recognise that in fact it is the &#8216;Hitch&#8217; who is the greatest prose stylist of this or any other generation?</blockquote>

	<p>In fairness to him, he used to be a very good prose stylist when he wanted to be &#8211; some of his reviewing is first rate. Always had the nasty streak though. I suspect that it&#8217;s not only the drink that&#8217;s crippling his writing, but the transparent lack of faith &#8211; he must realise that he&#8217;s argued himself into a corner that he shouldn&#8217;t be in. He came into a restaurant where I was eating yesterday evening; as best as I could tell, he looked to be stumbling a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Larkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/18/minor-pinter-reaction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-111109</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitchens said it first about a 75 year old, setting a low threshold for shabbiness. Read it again:

&lt;b&gt;Let us also hope for a long silence to descend upon the thuggish bigmouth who has strutted and fretted his hour upon the stage for far too long.&lt;/b&gt;

He&#039;s inciting us all to hope Pinter &lt;i&gt;dies&lt;/i&gt;. There&#039;s no hate speech- or anti-terrorism clause for transatlantic spats between white dudes; else Hitchens could be imprisoned for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hitchens said it first about a 75 year old, setting a low threshold for shabbiness. Read it again:</p>

	<p><b>Let us also hope for a long silence to descend upon the thuggish bigmouth who has strutted and fretted his hour upon the stage for far too long.</b></p>

	<p>He&#8217;s inciting us all to hope Pinter <i>dies</i>. There&#8217;s no hate speech- or anti-terrorism clause for transatlantic spats between white dudes; else Hitchens could be imprisoned for that.</p>
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