Comments on: Sinking ships loosen lips http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sat, 26 May 2012 19:21:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Grand Moff Texan http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114391 Grand Moff Texan Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:14:07 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114391 <i>the disciplining mechanisms that made diIulio recant his apostasy are breaking down very badly</i> They are otherwise occupied, with lawyers. That, and there are fewer volunteers willing to fling Orin Hatch ejectamenta by the spade full out of their spider holes. Assrocket doesn't count: he's paid to do that. . the disciplining mechanisms that made diIulio recant his apostasy are breaking down very badly

They are otherwise occupied, with lawyers. That, and there are fewer volunteers willing to fling Orin Hatch ejectamenta by the spade full out of their spider holes.

Assrocket doesn’t count: he’s paid to do that.
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]]> By: luci phyrr http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114368 luci phyrr Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:15:39 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114368 <i>as everyone tries to make sure that he or she is the first to get out, and thus perhaps to retain a few scraps of credibility</i> Happened too with many of our our liberal pundits, and on the leftie blogs especially, regarding support for the Iraq War. as everyone tries to make sure that he or she is the first to get out, and thus perhaps to retain a few scraps of credibility

Happened too with many of our our liberal pundits, and on the leftie blogs especially, regarding support for the Iraq War.

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114347 abb1 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:45:20 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114347 Bernard, it doesn't matter. A former congress(wo)man makes a good lobbyist whether her/his party is in power or not. They are inside the network, they are members of the club. Bernard, it doesn’t matter. A former congress(wo)man makes a good lobbyist whether her/his party is in power or not. They are inside the network, they are members of the club.

]]> By: Bernard Yomtov http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114342 Bernard Yomtov Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:12:31 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114342 <i> I’ll become a lobbyist and make $10-15 million in the next 10 years.</i> Who exactly is going to pay you to be a lobbyist when your pals have been thrown out of office as well? I’ll become a lobbyist and make $10-15 million in the next 10 years.

Who exactly is going to pay you to be a lobbyist when your pals have been thrown out of office as well?

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114340 abb1 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:57:39 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114340 If I am a republican congressman or a senator, what's the worst that can happen to me if I stick with the Mafia? If I'm not re-elected, I'll be taken care of: I'll become a lobbyist and make $10-15 million in the next 10 years. My wife will make a few millions too without breaking a sweat. Now, what is going to happen to me if I cross the Family? I may still not get re-elected and no one will touch me with a ten-foot pole - no sinecure, no money, no nothing. Moral: Never Go Against The Family. If I am a republican congressman or a senator, what’s the worst that can happen to me if I stick with the Mafia? If I’m not re-elected, I’ll be taken care of: I’ll become a lobbyist and make $10-15 million in the next 10 years. My wife will make a few millions too without breaking a sweat.

Now, what is going to happen to me if I cross the Family? I may still not get re-elected and no one will touch me with a ten-foot pole – no sinecure, no money, no nothing.

Moral: Never Go Against The Family.

]]> By: alkali http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114338 alkali Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:46:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114338 <i>Maybe the Democratic candidate for President could have garnered a little support by.. I don’t know.. voting against the Iraqi use of force resolution.</i> Just to be clear, we don't disagree on this. Maybe the Democratic candidate for President could have garnered a little support by.. I don’t know.. voting against the Iraqi use of force resolution.

Just to be clear, we don’t disagree on this.

]]> By: norbizness http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114335 norbizness Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:32:47 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114335 <a href="http://ffip.com/interviews091502.htm" rel="nofollow">Here's his interview</a> on Meet the Press from September 2002, one month before Bush laid out the dishonest case. Maybe the Democratic candidate for President could have garnered a little support by.. I don't know.. voting against the Iraqi use of force resolution. Cut the 80-year-old guy some slack. Here’s his interview on Meet the Press from September 2002, one month before Bush laid out the dishonest case. Maybe the Democratic candidate for President could have garnered a little support by.. I don’t know.. voting against the Iraqi use of force resolution.

Cut the 80-year-old guy some slack.

]]> By: alkali http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114332 alkali Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:55 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114332 <i>Someday, it will become common internet knowledge that Scowcroft penned an AUGUST 2002 editorial in the Wall Street journal entitled “DON’T ATTACK SADDAM.” </i> And then he appeared on television talking-head shows to criticize Bush. And then when the war actually started, he kept up his criticism of the administration. And when Bush ran for reelection, he endorsed Bush's opponent. Oh, wait. None of those things ever happened. Credit where credit is due, to be sure, but only as much as is due. Someday, it will become common internet knowledge that Scowcroft penned an AUGUST 2002 editorial in the Wall Street journal entitled “DON’T ATTACK SADDAM.”

And then he appeared on television talking-head shows to criticize Bush. And then when the war actually started, he kept up his criticism of the administration. And when Bush ran for reelection, he endorsed Bush’s opponent.

Oh, wait. None of those things ever happened.

Credit where credit is due, to be sure, but only as much as is due.

]]> By: norbizness http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114330 norbizness Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:12:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114330 Someday, it will become common internet knowledge that Scowcroft penned an AUGUST 2002 editorial in the Wall Street journal entitled "DON'T ATTACK SADDAM." As someone in the 100th comment thread in a post making that mistake pointed out, that was a hell of a lot more than most Democratic Senators were doing at the time. Or liberal hawks, for that matter. Someday, it will become common internet knowledge that Scowcroft penned an AUGUST 2002 editorial in the Wall Street journal entitled “DON’T ATTACK SADDAM.” As someone in the 100th comment thread in a post making that mistake pointed out, that was a hell of a lot more than most Democratic Senators were doing at the time. Or liberal hawks, for that matter.

]]> By: nick s http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114318 nick s Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:37:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114318 Given that Wilkerson's speech discussed his falling-out with Powell, I suspect that footnote isn't accurate. Powell's a company man to the bitter end. Though he may have been the source of a few choice tidbits w/r/t the leak case, he's not going to speak out against the family. Given that Wilkerson’s speech discussed his falling-out with Powell, I suspect that footnote isn’t accurate. Powell’s a company man to the bitter end. Though he may have been the source of a few choice tidbits w/r/t the leak case, he’s not going to speak out against the family.

]]> By: sammler http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114316 sammler Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:33:06 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114316 This may be wishful thinking. Republicans disagree, but they tend to agree that the Democrats have nothing to offer -- and they appear absurdly confident (indeed, destructively overconfident) of retaining power. This may be wishful thinking. Republicans disagree, but they tend to agree that the Democrats have nothing to offer—and they appear absurdly confident (indeed, destructively overconfident) of retaining power.

]]> By: P ONeill http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/24/sinking-ships-loosen-lips/comment-page-1/#comment-114313 P ONeill Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:17:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=3968#comment-114313 The panic would have to come from Senate Republicans to produce any actual policy changes in the near-term. The panic would have to come from Senate Republicans to produce any actual policy changes in the near-term.

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