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		<title>By: theorajones</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116911</link>
		<dc:creator>theorajones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While in the abstract, I agree with all of the above, the extra hour of sleep this weekend was so amazing and precious that I&#039;m trying to figure out how to &quot;fall back&quot; every weekend. 

Maybe people will be willing to settle for a rotating calendar totally unrelated to the sun if it means an extra hour every weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While in the abstract, I agree with all of the above, the extra hour of sleep this weekend was so amazing and precious that I&#8217;m trying to figure out how to &#8220;fall back&#8221; every weekend.</p>

	<p>Maybe people will be willing to settle for a rotating calendar totally unrelated to the sun if it means an extra hour every weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116443</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should live on Martian time like the people who run the Mars rovers.

(Actually, are they still living on Martian time?  Maybe not, since it&#039;s been two years now and the rovers just won&#039;t die; that would tend to reduce one&#039;s sense of urgency.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think we should live on Martian time like the people who run the Mars rovers.</p>

	<p>(Actually, are they still living on Martian time?  Maybe not, since it&#8217;s been two years now and the rovers just won&#8217;t die; that would tend to reduce one&#8217;s sense of urgency.)</p>
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		<title>By: C.J.Colucci</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116317</link>
		<dc:creator>C.J.Colucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daylight Savings Time is a terrible mistake.  All the extra sunlight will cause further fading and deterioration of fabrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Daylight Savings Time is a terrible mistake.  All the extra sunlight will cause further fading and deterioration of fabrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116299</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree -- no more language!  All the signs are just arbitrary anyway, predicated on mutual exclusion!  Write your congressperson!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, I agree&#8212;no more language!  All the signs are just arbitrary anyway, predicated on mutual exclusion!  Write your congressperson!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116295</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole constructed reality thing, where we give names to objects -- delineate self from other and other from other -- is kind of pernicious really. Better we should float infantile in the sea of continuous reality. As a governement policy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This whole constructed reality thing, where we give names to objects&#8212;delineate self from other and other from other&#8212;is kind of pernicious really. Better we should float infantile in the sea of continuous reality. As a governement policy!</p>
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		<title>By: pdf23ds</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116288</link>
		<dc:creator>pdf23ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e-tat, what&#039;s a more sensible thing to replace weekends with? Surely you don&#039;t advocate offices keeping hours every day of the week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>e-tat, what&#8217;s a more sensible thing to replace weekends with? Surely you don&#8217;t advocate offices keeping hours every day of the week?</p>
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		<title>By: Kip Manley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116287</link>
		<dc:creator>Kip Manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ, no. Don&#039;t you see? Going to DST all the time would rid us of that most delicious feeling on the Monday after, when we wake up an hour earlier than we have to and then remember we forgot to re-set our alarm clocks.

Don&#039;t you understand that this pernicious DST-always movement is just the Man trying to steal that precious hour away from you and never give it back? &quot;Spring forward&quot;? Gah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Christ, no. Don&#8217;t you see? Going to <span class="caps">DST</span> all the time would rid us of that most delicious feeling on the Monday after, when we wake up an hour earlier than we have to and then remember we forgot to re-set our alarm clocks.</p>

	<p>Don&#8217;t you understand that this pernicious <span class="caps">DST</span>-always movement is just the Man trying to steal that precious hour away from you and never give it back? &#8220;Spring forward&#8221;? Gah!</p>
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		<title>By: e-tat</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116285</link>
		<dc:creator>e-tat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anyone confused by daylight saving time is asily confused&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, and on that count, most people exist in a state of confusion, but without realising it. We deceive ourselves into thinking that some way of behaving is natural or right, and forget that it has implications. Extending the day through artificial means is one instance, having a clock that goes from 1 to 12 is another, having weekdays and weekends is another. Each of these disrupts a more sensible pattern of behaving, but we tend to forget that because we&#039;re so distracted by the intricacies of having to keep track. Get away from it for a week or two and see how ridiculous it all seems upon your return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Anyone confused by daylight saving time is asily confused</i></p>

	<p>Yes, and on that count, most people exist in a state of confusion, but without realising it. We deceive ourselves into thinking that some way of behaving is natural or right, and forget that it has implications. Extending the day through artificial means is one instance, having a clock that goes from 1 to 12 is another, having weekdays and weekends is another. Each of these disrupts a more sensible pattern of behaving, but we tend to forget that because we&#8217;re so distracted by the intricacies of having to keep track. Get away from it for a week or two and see how ridiculous it all seems upon your return.</p>
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		<title>By: soubzriquet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116281</link>
		<dc:creator>soubzriquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, (re #5):

sure, it is easy to understand.  It just isn&#039;t a particularly good idea, and it is usually sold on false premises.

I do hear, however, that the adjusted schedule for DST that the US is implementing is expected to be worth about 500 million to the golf and barbeque industries alone....so at least somebody will be happy with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John, (re #5):</p>

	<p>sure, it is easy to understand.  It just isn&#8217;t a particularly good idea, and it is usually sold on false premises.</p>

	<p>I do hear, however, that the adjusted schedule for <span class="caps">DST</span> that the US is implementing is expected to be worth about 500 million to the golf and barbeque industries alone&#8230;.so at least somebody will be happy with it.</p>
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		<title>By: luci phyrr</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116279</link>
		<dc:creator>luci phyrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t we just slow down the spinning of the earth? We could have longer daylight hours *and* more hours for sleep at night.

We could tie it into the Global Fight Against Terrorism, so the think tanks and newspapers will all get on board. All the countries we don&#039;t like are nearer to the equator, so longer days might make them too lethargic for mischief-making. A project to &quot;Make Arabs Uncomfortable&quot; would surely be cheaper than invading the entire Middle East, and if it doesn&#039;t work, at least we gave it a chance before killing them all.

We all know the UN&#039;s too ineffective and compromised to do anything about this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why don&#8217;t we just slow down the spinning of the earth? We could have longer daylight hours <strong>and</strong> more hours for sleep at night.</p>

	<p>We could tie it into the Global Fight Against Terrorism, so the think tanks and newspapers will all get on board. All the countries we don&#8217;t like are nearer to the equator, so longer days might make them too lethargic for mischief-making. A project to &#8220;Make Arabs Uncomfortable&#8221; would surely be cheaper than invading the entire Middle East, and if it doesn&#8217;t work, at least we gave it a chance before killing them all.</p>

	<p>We all know the UN&#8217;s too ineffective and compromised to do anything about this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Osner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116278</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Osner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think we should be on Daylight Savings all year round.&lt;/em&gt;

Watch it, you&#039;re venturing into dangerous territory: read &lt;a href=&quot;http://rebecca.hitherby.com/archives/000675.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DST Nocturne&lt;/a&gt; and tremble at what you would unleash.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;In the end it did no good.
The world grew darker, and darker, and darker still.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>I think we should be on Daylight Savings all year round.</em></p>

	<p>Watch it, you&#8217;re venturing into dangerous territory: read <a href="http://rebecca.hitherby.com/archives/000675.php" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">DST </span>Nocturne</a> and tremble at what you would unleash.<br />
<blockquote><em>In the end it did no good.<br />
The world grew darker, and darker, and darker still.<br />
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116276</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should be on Daylight Savings all year round.  Shifting back to normal time for the winter is terrible, because it gets dark radically earlier all of a sudden.  We have the power to defy nature and set our clocks via whichever arbitrary standards we choose  -- why &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; call 1 o&#039;clock noon, when the use of timezones means that for the vast majority of locations, clock noon will not equal &quot;real&quot; noon in any case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think we should be on Daylight Savings all year round.  Shifting back to normal time for the winter is terrible, because it gets dark radically earlier all of a sudden.  We have the power to defy nature and set our clocks via whichever arbitrary standards we choose &#8212;why <i>not</i> call 1 o&#8217;clock noon, when the use of timezones means that for the vast majority of locations, clock noon will not equal &#8220;real&#8221; noon in any case?</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/31/got-up-with-the-sun-as-tis-called/comment-page-1/#comment-116274</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone confused by daylight saving time is asily confused and should be put in custody. It&#039;s been around for most of my life.

We should shed a tear for the thousands of Standard Time Old Believers who died at the hands of the jackbooted minions of the parasitical State, of course. But let&#039;s not pretend that DST is hard to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyone confused by daylight saving time is asily confused and should be put in custody. It&#8217;s been around for most of my life.</p>

	<p>We should shed a tear for the thousands of Standard Time Old Believers who died at the hands of the jackbooted minions of the parasitical State, of course. But let&#8217;s not pretend that <span class="caps">DST</span> is hard to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: brooksfoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooksfoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any of the advantages of daylight savings time could as easily be obtained by resolving that henceforth, commencing whatever day in April it is that daylight savings time is usually ordained to kick in (one would think that after a few dozen years on the planet such things would start to sink in, but somehow they don&#039;t), all government offices, banks, shoe stores, dens of iniquity, schools, gyms, electronic appliance emporia and so forth will open for business at 8 am rather than 9, or in any case an hour earlier than their normal opening hours; that restaurants will close at 11 pm rather than midnight, bars at 1 am rather than 2, etc.; and that all television and radio programming will shift to air an hour earlier than it does in winter. In October, the schedules of all such institutions would resume their winter hours. Any institution would of course be free to opt out of the schedule shift, and citizens might keep track of which establishments were running on which business hours by keeping business cards with the various establishments&#039; opening hours handy at all times.

That would be so much simpler and less confusing than just shifting the national clocks forward and back twice a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Any of the advantages of daylight savings time could as easily be obtained by resolving that henceforth, commencing whatever day in April it is that daylight savings time is usually ordained to kick in (one would think that after a few dozen years on the planet such things would start to sink in, but somehow they don&#8217;t), all government offices, banks, shoe stores, dens of iniquity, schools, gyms, electronic appliance emporia and so forth will open for business at 8 am rather than 9, or in any case an hour earlier than their normal opening hours; that restaurants will close at 11 pm rather than midnight, bars at 1 am rather than 2, etc.; and that all television and radio programming will shift to air an hour earlier than it does in winter. In October, the schedules of all such institutions would resume their winter hours. Any institution would of course be free to opt out of the schedule shift, and citizens might keep track of which establishments were running on which business hours by keeping business cards with the various establishments&#8217; opening hours handy at all times.</p>

	<p>That would be so much simpler and less confusing than just shifting the national clocks forward and back twice a year.</p>
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		<title>By: daylight</title>
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		<dc:creator>daylight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Indiana hometown is in a different time zone than the rest of the state; a handful of counties were permitted to *vote* what time it should be. So it&#039;s usually an hour behind. Add daylight savings and you can never tell, when you are in Evansville, what time it is an hour up the road. 

Years later I lived in Mexico. Since it gets light and dark at the same time more or less all year round there were protesters outside the Palacio Municipal on clocks-back day; the only sense in adhering to savings time lay in conforming to the US and why should people do that?

Now I live in southwest England where it&#039;s commonly complained that savings time exists only for the benefit of the Scottish, and that road accidents are more common in England as a result of it.

I&#039;m haunted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My Indiana hometown is in a different time zone than the rest of the state; a handful of counties were permitted to <strong>vote</strong> what time it should be. So it&#8217;s usually an hour behind. Add daylight savings and you can never tell, when you are in Evansville, what time it is an hour up the road.</p>

	<p>Years later I lived in Mexico. Since it gets light and dark at the same time more or less all year round there were protesters outside the Palacio Municipal on clocks-back day; the only sense in adhering to savings time lay in conforming to the US and why should people do that?</p>

	<p>Now I live in southwest England where it&#8217;s commonly complained that savings time exists only for the benefit of the Scottish, and that road accidents are more common in England as a result of it.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m haunted.</p>
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