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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-120868</link>
		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d side with Chris B on the point that there&#039;s a great deal of diversity in European approches to muslim minorities, with one caveat: most Europeans retain an essentially racialist conception of national identity. Asian-americans will tell you of European shock at learning that they&#039;re American, not &quot;Chinese&quot;; the notion of a hyphenated citizen, one who embraces &lt;b&gt;both&lt;/b&gt; his ethnic heritage and the nation adopted by his parents or grandparents (or him), elicits not shock but incomprehension. Under this view, one can&#039;t be simultaneously &quot;african&quot; and truly French, or &quot;turkish&quot; and truly German, or &quot;asian&quot; and Dutch (let alone jewish and truly Russian).

Ironically, it&#039;s the kids themselves who grasp the solution for France, which is the slogan parodying the Red-White-Blue! chant that was shouted by fans of France&#039;s multiracial championship team at the World Cup final in 2000: &quot;Beur! Blanc! Noir!&quot; 

When the French realize that most of the beurs and noirs want nothing more than to be proud of being French &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; beur or noir, then France will be on its way toward a solution. 

Re affirmative action, it has become a joke in the US-- note that its partisans are now clamoring for de facto quotas &lt;b&gt;limiting&lt;/b&gt; the share asian-americans entering UC Berkeley, in a state where intermarriage is inexorably rendering ridiculous the notion of discrete racial identities.... What next, partial credit for applicants who are verified quadroons and octoroons?

That said, given how deeply entrenched discrimination is in French hiring practices, and how completely shut out of the power elite are the beurs and noirs, affirmative action may well be essential in certain areas of French hiring-- probably in the police force at a minimum, maybe also (quel horreur!) ENA and the Grandes Ecoles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d side with Chris B on the point that there&#8217;s a great deal of diversity in European approches to muslim minorities, with one caveat: most Europeans retain an essentially racialist conception of national identity. Asian-americans will tell you of European shock at learning that they&#8217;re American, not &#8220;Chinese&#8221;; the notion of a hyphenated citizen, one who embraces <b>both</b> his ethnic heritage and the nation adopted by his parents or grandparents (or him), elicits not shock but incomprehension. Under this view, one can&#8217;t be simultaneously &#8220;african&#8221; and truly French, or &#8220;turkish&#8221; and truly German, or &#8220;asian&#8221; and Dutch (let alone jewish and truly Russian).</p>

	<p>Ironically, it&#8217;s the kids themselves who grasp the solution for France, which is the slogan parodying the Red-White-Blue! chant that was shouted by fans of France&#8217;s multiracial championship team at the World Cup final in 2000: &#8220;Beur! Blanc! Noir!&#8221;</p>

	<p>When the French realize that most of the beurs and noirs want nothing more than to be proud of being French <b>and</b> beur or noir, then France will be on its way toward a solution.</p>

	<p>Re affirmative action, it has become a joke in the US&#8212;note that its partisans are now clamoring for de facto quotas <b>limiting</b> the share asian-americans entering <span class="caps">UC </span>Berkeley, in a state where intermarriage is inexorably rendering ridiculous the notion of discrete racial identities&#8230;. What next, partial credit for applicants who are verified quadroons and octoroons?</p>

	<p>That said, given how deeply entrenched discrimination is in French hiring practices, and how completely shut out of the power elite are the beurs and noirs, affirmative action may well be essential in certain areas of French hiring&#8212;probably in the police force at a minimum, maybe also (quel horreur!) <span class="caps">ENA</span> and the Grandes Ecoles.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-120867</link>
		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What about all that midnight basketball stuff and other liberal solutions? Certainly there are ways to spend all that hoodlum energy other than terrorizing people and torching vehicles.&lt;/i&gt;

My vote&#039;s for a new video game called &lt;b&gt;Grand Torch Auto&lt;/b&gt;, distributed gratis by the French government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What about all that midnight basketball stuff and other liberal solutions? Certainly there are ways to spend all that hoodlum energy other than terrorizing people and torching vehicles.</i></p>

	<p>My vote&#8217;s for a new video game called <b>Grand Torch Auto</b>, distributed gratis by the French government.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119384</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #10 My local &quot;foreigner&#039;s office&quot; in Germany has all the documents in German, but also translations posted in, iirc, Turkish, English, Polish, Russian, the language formerly known as Serbo-Croat and very possibly several more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re #10 My local &#8220;foreigner&#8217;s office&#8221; in Germany has all the documents in German, but also translations posted in, iirc, Turkish, English, Polish, Russian, the language formerly known as Serbo-Croat and very possibly several more.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Simon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119381</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think part of the riots has to do with this kind of discourse. The “noise and smell” part never ceases to amaze me.&lt;/em&gt;

The problem with this reasoning is that M. Chirac has said some very objectionable things about a great many different groups of people.  The vast majority of those groups of people, however, have not reacted by rioting.  

In fact, even the current flock (pack?  herd?) of rioters are obviously a tiny percentage of the population of which M. Chirac spoke so unkindly--a percentage consisting overwhelmingly of young unemployed males, many of them already involved in crime.  Why, if M. Chirac&#039;s insults are the cause of the rioting, are there hardly any middle-aged women rioting in the streets?  Oughtn&#039;t they feel at least as insulted as a scattered few of their teenaged sons by Chirac&#039;s remarks?  

A simple alternative hypothesis:  people riot because they like to riot, and because they have reason to believe that nobody&#039;s going to stop them.  Unfortunately, it&#039;s often the case that nobody &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; going to stop them--especially if it&#039;s widely believed that rioting is a quasi-legitimate response to perceived slights, and therefore ought to be at least somewhat indulged.  

In short, Maria, if you want to understand why these riots are taking place, perhaps you might first look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>I think part of the riots has to do with this kind of discourse. The &#8220;noise and smell&#8221; part never ceases to amaze me.</em></p>

	<p>The problem with this reasoning is that M. Chirac has said some very objectionable things about a great many different groups of people.  The vast majority of those groups of people, however, have not reacted by rioting.</p>

	<p>In fact, even the current flock (pack?  herd?) of rioters are obviously a tiny percentage of the population of which M. Chirac spoke so unkindly&#8212;a percentage consisting overwhelmingly of young unemployed males, many of them already involved in crime.  Why, if M. Chirac&#8217;s insults are the cause of the rioting, are there hardly any middle-aged women rioting in the streets?  Oughtn&#8217;t they feel at least as insulted as a scattered few of their teenaged sons by Chirac&#8217;s remarks?</p>

	<p>A simple alternative hypothesis:  people riot because they like to riot, and because they have reason to believe that nobody&#8217;s going to stop them.  Unfortunately, it&#8217;s often the case that nobody <em>is</em> going to stop them&#8212;especially if it&#8217;s widely believed that rioting is a quasi-legitimate response to perceived slights, and therefore ought to be at least somewhat indulged.</p>

	<p>In short, Maria, if you want to understand why these riots are taking place, perhaps you might first look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119332</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 03:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Comment voulez-vous, qu&#039;un travailleur français qui travaille avc sa femme et qui ensemble gagnent environs 15 000 F, et qui voit sur le palier de son HLM, entassé une famille, avec un père de famille, 3 ou 4 épouses et une vingtaine de gosses et qui gagne 50 000F de prestations sociales sans naturellement travailler!! (applaudisement) Si vous ajoutez à cela, le bruit et l&#039;odeur, et bien le travailleur français sur le palier devient fou et ce n&#039;est pas être raciste de dire cela, nous n&#039;avons plus les moyens de sauver le regroupement familiale et il faut enfin ouvrir le grand débat qui s&#039;impose dans notre pays, qui est un vrai débat moral, pour savoir si il est naturel que des étranger puisse bénéficier au même titre que les français d&#039;une solidarité nationale à laquelle il ne participent pas puisqu&#039;il ne paie pas d&#039;impôts&quot;
J.Chirac


I think part of the riots has to do with this kind of discourse. The &quot;noise and smell&quot; part never ceases to amaze me. 

I first listened to this in a CD by a French Arab band (Zebda). This is not a recent situation. It apparently needed a spark to ignite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Comment voulez-vous, qu&#8217;un travailleur fran&#231;ais qui travaille avc sa femme et qui ensemble gagnent environs 15 000 F, et qui voit sur le palier de son <span class="caps">HLM</span>, entass&#233; une famille, avec un p&#232;re de famille, 3 ou 4 &#233;pouses et une vingtaine de gosses et qui gagne 50 000F de prestations sociales sans naturellement travailler!! (applaudisement) Si vous ajoutez &#224; cela, le bruit et l&#8217;odeur, et bien le travailleur fran&#231;ais sur le palier devient fou et ce n&#8217;est pas &#234;tre raciste de dire cela, nous n&#8217;avons plus les moyens de sauver le regroupement familiale et il faut enfin ouvrir le grand d&#233;bat qui s&#8217;impose dans notre pays, qui est un vrai d&#233;bat moral, pour savoir si il est naturel que des &#233;tranger puisse b&#233;n&#233;ficier au m&#234;me titre que les fran&#231;ais d&#8217;une solidarit&#233; nationale &#224; laquelle il ne participent pas puisqu&#8217;il ne paie pas d&#8217;imp&#244;ts&#8221;<br />
J.Chirac</p>


	<p>I think part of the riots has to do with this kind of discourse. The &#8220;noise and smell&#8221; part never ceases to amaze me.</p>

	<p>I first listened to this in a CD by a French Arab band (Zebda). This is not a recent situation. It apparently needed a spark to ignite.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Simon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119259</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;(1) Europe is lots of different places with lots of different attitudes to ethnic and religious minorities.&lt;/em&gt;

...As is America, as a matter of fact.  In practice, though, the process of resolving the &quot;race issue&quot; was remarkably similar across the US.  I conjecture that Europe will similarly evolve in approximate lockstep--whether at the same pace, I don&#039;t yet know.  (I hope it will be faster, and fear that it will be even slower.)

&lt;em&gt;The “major minority group” is actually lots of different groups and only appears as one group through the prism of paranoia about Muslims.&lt;/em&gt;

....Again, as with American &quot;Blacks&quot;.  Since I was talking about the evolution of majority attitudes to the minority group(s) in question, though, this detail isn&#039;t particularly relevant.  In Europe today, as in America in 1965, such subtleties are completely lost on most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>(1) Europe is lots of different places with lots of different attitudes to ethnic and religious minorities.</em></p>

	<p>&#8230;As is America, as a matter of fact.  In practice, though, the process of resolving the &#8220;race issue&#8221; was remarkably similar across the US.  I conjecture that Europe will similarly evolve in approximate lockstep&#8212;whether at the same pace, I don&#8217;t yet know.  (I hope it will be faster, and fear that it will be even slower.)</p>

	<p><em>The &#8220;major minority group&#8221; is actually lots of different groups and only appears as one group through the prism of paranoia about Muslims.</em></p>

	<p>&#8230;.Again, as with American &#8220;Blacks&#8221;.  Since I was talking about the evolution of majority attitudes to the minority group(s) in question, though, this detail isn&#8217;t particularly relevant.  In Europe today, as in America in 1965, such subtleties are completely lost on most people.</p>
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		<title>By: Positive Liberty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Notes on the Rioting in France</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119255</link>
		<dc:creator>Positive Liberty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Notes on the Rioting in France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course, claiming that this really is a French intifadah is a win-win proposition for certain segments of the blogosphere. If the evidence works out your way, then you get to chortle disgracefully while France burns (Do you hear me, Little Green Footballs?). If the evidence doesn&#8217;t support your claims, you can always cast aspersions on the media for failing to report the &#8220;real&#8221; story. Then you report exactly what you&#8217;d expecting to happen all along: Some sinister force is behind all the riots, and it&#8217;s thinking, &#8220;Let&#8217;s reduce impotent France to dhimmi status and take over the world with the evil powers of Islam,&#8221; as Belle Waring recently put it. No matter how the evidence shakes out, you&#8217;ve outsmarted the whole world in that oh-so-satisfying Walter Mitty kind of way. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Of course, claiming that this really is a French intifadah is a win-win proposition for certain segments of the blogosphere. If the evidence works out your way, then you get to chortle disgracefully while France burns (Do you hear me, Little Green Footballs?). If the evidence doesn&#8217;t support your claims, you can always cast aspersions on the media for failing to report the &#8220;real&#8221; story. Then you report exactly what you&#8217;d expecting to happen all along: Some sinister force is behind all the riots, and it&#8217;s thinking, &#8220;Let&#8217;s reduce impotent France to dhimmi status and take over the world with the evil powers of Islam,&#8221; as Belle Waring recently put it. No matter how the evidence shakes out, you&#8217;ve outsmarted the whole world in that oh-so-satisfying Walter Mitty kind of way. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: catherine liu</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119249</link>
		<dc:creator>catherine liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired of boing boing -- I know they&#039;re they ueber blog and beyond reproach, I&#039;ve appreciated recent expressions of dissent regarding the nearly universal apprecation of boing boing, above called oink oink dot net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m tired of boing boing&#8212;I know they&#8217;re they ueber blog and beyond reproach, I&#8217;ve appreciated recent expressions of dissent regarding the nearly universal apprecation of boing boing, above called oink oink dot net.</p>
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		<title>By: Blar</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119196</link>
		<dc:creator>Blar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affirmative action is appeasement.

If the French fix their social welfare system and adopt policies to reduce unemployment and promote social mobility, then the rioters will have won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Affirmative action is appeasement.</p>

	<p>If the French fix their social welfare system and adopt policies to reduce unemployment and promote social mobility, then the rioters will have won.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119190</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ohmigod. We’re being menaced by French Islamofascist terrorists … FROM THE FUTURE&lt;/i&gt;

LOL. I must offer kudos where kudos is due, Daniel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Ohmigod. We&#8217;re being menaced by French Islamofascist terrorists &#8230; <span class="caps">FROM THE FUTURE</span></i></p>

	<p><span class="caps">LOL</span>. I must offer kudos where kudos is due, Daniel.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119188</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan H:  I would only be wrong if riots were something completely alien to French culture, which they are not; they&#039;re an essential feature of French society and the only innovation here appears to be that the rioters are brown.

Meanwhile, this is beyond priceless at #39

&lt;i&gt;Put it this way—in a year or two or five, after these riots are history, will we see Banlieus that are more or less influenced by conservative Islam? Greater integration? Or beur communities that are even more isolated? Will it be safe for an uncovered woman to walk the streets? &lt;/i&gt;

Ohmigod.  We&#039;re being menaced by French Islamofascist terrorists ... FROM THE FUTURE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dan H:  I would only be wrong if riots were something completely alien to French culture, which they are not; they&#8217;re an essential feature of French society and the only innovation here appears to be that the rioters are brown.</p>

	<p>Meanwhile, this is beyond priceless at #39</p>

	<p><i>Put it this way&#8212;in a year or two or five, after these riots are history, will we see Banlieus that are more or less influenced by conservative Islam? Greater integration? Or beur communities that are even more isolated? Will it be safe for an uncovered woman to walk the streets? </i></p>

	<p>Ohmigod.  We&#8217;re being menaced by French Islamofascist terrorists &#8230; <span class="caps">FROM THE FUTURE</span><img src="!" alt="" border="0" /></p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119186</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, seems some people have forgotten/never saw the Freakonomics discussions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm, seems some people have forgotten/never saw the Freakonomics discussions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Europe seems to be at roughly the same stage, with respect to its major minority group, as America circa 1965.&lt;/i&gt;

A breataking statement since 

(1) Europe is lots of different places with lots of different attitudes to ethnic and religious minorities. Hence the French _horreur_ at the _communitarisme_ supposedly adopted by the _Brittaniques_ .

(2) The &quot;major minority group&quot; is actually lots of different groups and only appears as one group through the prism of paranoia about Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Europe seems to be at roughly the same stage, with respect to its major minority group, as America circa 1965.</i></p>

	<p>A breataking statement since</p>

	<p>(1) Europe is lots of different places with lots of different attitudes to ethnic and religious minorities. Hence the French <em>horreur</em> at the <em>communitarisme</em> supposedly adopted by the <em>Brittaniques</em> .</p>

	<p>(2) The &#8220;major minority group&#8221; is actually lots of different groups and only appears as one group through the prism of paranoia about Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Funny how showing how awful purely utilitarian decision-making could be turns into ‘fantasizing about’.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thanks Sebastian, you were much nicer than I was going to be, while showing how completely idiotic that statement was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>Funny how showing how awful purely utilitarian decision-making could be turns into &#8216;fantasizing about&#8217;.</blockquote>Thanks Sebastian, you were much nicer than I was going to be, while showing how completely idiotic that statement was.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Simon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/08/working-on-a-groovy-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-119181</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What about all that midnight basketball stuff and other liberal solutions? Certainly there are ways to spend all that hoodlum energy other than terrorizing people and torching vehicles.&lt;/em&gt;

Personally, I can&#039;t stand basketball, but evidently there are lots of people who prefer it to blogging--that&#039;s why lots of kids play basketball even though Blogger is free.  

Likewise, there are evidently a great many youths who prefer terrorizing people and torching vehicles to playing basketball.  Offering them free alternatives simply isn&#039;t enough to dissuade them--you need substantial disincentives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>What about all that midnight basketball stuff and other liberal solutions? Certainly there are ways to spend all that hoodlum energy other than terrorizing people and torching vehicles.</em></p>

	<p>Personally, I can&#8217;t stand basketball, but evidently there are lots of people who prefer it to blogging&#8212;that&#8217;s why lots of kids play basketball even though Blogger is free.</p>

	<p>Likewise, there are evidently a great many youths who prefer terrorizing people and torching vehicles to playing basketball.  Offering them free alternatives simply isn&#8217;t enough to dissuade them&#8212;you need substantial disincentives.</p>
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