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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-2/#comment-119850</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, if I were a Kansas science teacher, my lesson on the scientific content of ID would be very short: “there is none”. I think good teachers with any cojones will find ways to neutralize the nonsense.&lt;/i&gt;

According to the CNN link:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The standards will be used to develop student tests measuring how well schools teach science. Decisions about what is taught in classrooms will remain with 300 local school boards, but some educators fear pressure will increase in some communities to teach less about evolution or more about intelligent design.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, it seems that Kieran is not exactly correct in talking about &lt;i&gt;new standards that mandate the teaching of “Intelligent Design”&lt;/i&gt;. Apparently the this particular standard mandates the &lt;i&gt;testing&lt;/i&gt;, not the teaching. If your local school board insists on teaching evolution - that&#039;s fine, but most of the students will probably fail the test. Fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Of course, if I were a Kansas science teacher, my lesson on the scientific content of ID would be very short: &#8220;there is none&#8221;. I think good teachers with any cojones will find ways to neutralize the nonsense.</i></p>

	<p>According to the <span class="caps">CNN</span> link:<br />
<blockquote>The standards will be used to develop student tests measuring how well schools teach science. Decisions about what is taught in classrooms will remain with 300 local school boards, but some educators fear pressure will increase in some communities to teach less about evolution or more about intelligent design.</blockquote><br />
So, it seems that Kieran is not exactly correct in talking about <i>new standards that mandate the teaching of &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221;</i>. Apparently the this particular standard mandates the <i>testing</i>, not the teaching. If your local school board insists on teaching evolution &#8211; that&#8217;s fine, but most of the students will probably fail the test. Fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-2/#comment-119844</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ID requirement doesn&#039;t even have to be detrimental to education.  It is a perfect oppurtunity to discuss how science works and then leave the final conclusions up to the kids.  It is a great popular cultural example of the woes Science has faced in the past, which can be turned into a discusion of how science goes from theories to facts.  Thus it is a helpful oppurtunity, not an obstacle to overcome.


Slocum, if I was in charge of the Kansas brand, I&#039;d be spinning like hell over ID, but I wouldn&#039;t be much worried (and might even be excited about all the Kansas Kansas Kansas in the news).  Corporations care about taxes, infrastructure, and educated (well priced) labor.  If the local religion played into corporate decisions to build factories or open centers, why do so many companies go to places with much odder ideas than ID?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This ID requirement doesn&#8217;t even have to be detrimental to education.  It is a perfect oppurtunity to discuss how science works and then leave the final conclusions up to the kids.  It is a great popular cultural example of the woes Science has faced in the past, which can be turned into a discusion of how science goes from theories to facts.  Thus it is a helpful oppurtunity, not an obstacle to overcome.</p>


	<p>Slocum, if I was in charge of the Kansas brand, I&#8217;d be spinning like hell over ID, but I wouldn&#8217;t be much worried (and might even be excited about all the Kansas Kansas Kansas in the news).  Corporations care about taxes, infrastructure, and educated (well priced) labor.  If the local religion played into corporate decisions to build factories or open centers, why do so many companies go to places with much odder ideas than ID?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-2/#comment-119841</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On accreditation issues: The kids are already being punished for the stupidity of their elders by having their science curriculum watered down. Why would anyone want to punish them further?

Of course, if I were a Kansas science teacher, my lesson on the scientific content of ID would be very short: &quot;there is none&quot;. I think good teachers with any cojones will find ways to neutralize the nonsense. The real problem is the removal or watering down of standards that would insure that less well educated, motivated or disposed teachers provide their students with minimally adequate biology content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On accreditation issues: The kids are already being punished for the stupidity of their elders by having their science curriculum watered down. Why would anyone want to punish them further?</p>

	<p>Of course, if I were a Kansas science teacher, my lesson on the scientific content of ID would be very short: &#8220;there is none&#8221;. I think good teachers with any cojones will find ways to neutralize the nonsense. The real problem is the removal or watering down of standards that would insure that less well educated, motivated or disposed teachers provide their students with minimally adequate biology content.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-2/#comment-119838</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Slocum: “assuming the facts in that link are legit” are you proposing that the NEA isn’t a reliable source for information on education without showing another source?&lt;/i&gt;

No, I&#039;m not casting doubt on that site in particular, only indicating that I hadn&#039;t taken the time to look for other sources to confirm.

&lt;i&gt;And do you think kids from Kansas worry about being called “laughable hicks”? Besides the fact that they’re too busy scoring higher on the ACT and getting into college to worry about being called laughable hicks, they’re from Kansas, they’re already called laughable hicks.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, yeah, I think Kansans have good to worry about the &#039;hick&#039; label.  Having such an image can&#039;t be a boon to attracting employers and promoting economic development.  Kansas doesn&#039;t want to be in the situation of sending their H.S. graduates to university as a way-station on their way out of the state.  

Put it this way -- if you were in charge of managing the &#039;Kansas&#039; brand, you wouldn&#039;t be real happy with &#039;Intelligent Design&#039; publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Slocum: &#8220;assuming the facts in that link are legit&#8221; are you proposing that the <span class="caps">NEA</span> isn&#8217;t a reliable source for information on education without showing another source?</i></p>

	<p>No, I&#8217;m not casting doubt on that site in particular, only indicating that I hadn&#8217;t taken the time to look for other sources to confirm.</p>

	<p><i>And do you think kids from Kansas worry about being called &#8220;laughable hicks&#8221;? Besides the fact that they&#8217;re too busy scoring higher on the <span class="caps">ACT</span> and getting into college to worry about being called laughable hicks, they&#8217;re from Kansas, they&#8217;re already called laughable hicks.</i></p>

	<p>Well, yeah, I think Kansans have good to worry about the &#8216;hick&#8217; label.  Having such an image can&#8217;t be a boon to attracting employers and promoting economic development.  Kansas doesn&#8217;t want to be in the situation of sending their H.S. graduates to university as a way-station on their way out of the state.</p>

	<p>Put it this way&#8212;if you were in charge of managing the &#8216;Kansas&#8217; brand, you wouldn&#8217;t be real happy with &#8216;Intelligent Design&#8217; publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Crane</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-2/#comment-119836</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Accreditation. You may be familiar with the concept. Schools teaching superstition as part of science (and REDFINING SCIENCE AS INCLUDING NON-NATURAL EXPLANATIONS) should lose it.&lt;/i&gt;

And what of the exceptional student who, against all odds, grew up with a healthy respect and interest in scientific inquiry, despite being &quot;taught&quot; superstitious bunkum in schools, suffering the insults of less-intelligent classmates, etc?  Should colleges just say &quot;huh, sucks to be you&quot;? 

Visceral arguments are fun but remarkably counterproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Accreditation. You may be familiar with the concept. Schools teaching superstition as part of science (and <span class="caps">REDFINING SCIENCE AS INCLUDING NON</span>-NATURAL <span class="caps">EXPLANATIONS</span>) should lose it.</i></p>

	<p>And what of the exceptional student who, against all odds, grew up with a healthy respect and interest in scientific inquiry, despite being &#8220;taught&#8221; superstitious bunkum in schools, suffering the insults of less-intelligent classmates, etc?  Should colleges just say &#8220;huh, sucks to be you&#8221;?</p>

	<p>Visceral arguments are fun but remarkably counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-2/#comment-119835</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slocum,
&quot;assuming the facts in that link are legit&quot; are you proposing that the NEA isn&#039;t a reliable source for information on education without showing another source?  And do you think kids from Kansas worry about being called &quot;laughable hicks&quot;?  Besides the fact that they&#039;re too busy scoring higher on the ACT and getting into college to worry about being called laughable hicks, they&#039;re &lt;strong&gt;from Kansas&lt;/strong&gt;, they&#039;re already called laughable hicks.  And I really don&#039;t have a point here except to say that even if Kansas is implementing this stupid idea, the kids are being better prepared for the rest of the lives than most of the states.  The condition of education in DC, CA, LA, or many other states is probably a much more worthy cause for our time than harassing a religious state over its touting of ID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Slocum,<br />
&#8220;assuming the facts in that link are legit&#8221; are you proposing that the <span class="caps">NEA</span> isn&#8217;t a reliable source for information on education without showing another source?  And do you think kids from Kansas worry about being called &#8220;laughable hicks&#8221;?  Besides the fact that they&#8217;re too busy scoring higher on the <span class="caps">ACT</span> and getting into college to worry about being called laughable hicks, they&#8217;re <strong>from Kansas</strong>, they&#8217;re already called laughable hicks.  And I really don&#8217;t have a point here except to say that even if Kansas is implementing this stupid idea, the kids are being better prepared for the rest of the lives than most of the states.  The condition of education in DC, CA, LA, or many other states is probably a much more worthy cause for our time than harassing a religious state over its touting of ID.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bob Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119834</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bob Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I recently discovered the WikiPedia entry on logical fallacies, and realised that this they are absolute basics; no school child should ever be cut loose into the world without first having mastered them.&quot;

Are you kidding?  The politicians would never allow that...creates too many problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I recently discovered the WikiPedia entry on logical fallacies, and realised that this they are absolute basics; no school child should ever be cut loose into the world without first having mastered them.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Are you kidding?  The politicians would never allow that&#8230;creates too many problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119830</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For everyone bashing on Kansas, check this out. Besides having large classroom sizes, poor funding, and failing infrastructure, Kansas students and schools are not only in the top 10 in the US, but quickly improving.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;So for all you ID hata’s out there, painful isn’t it ? They’re learning ID and are smarter than your kids ;)&lt;/i&gt;

But the high-performance of Kansas K-12 schools (assuming the facts in that link are legit) is something that virtually nobody outside Kansas knows about.  The I.D. fiasco, on the other hand, is known everywhere and is going to completely dominate the image of education in Kansas outside the state itself (and that image is going to be, &quot;Kansas -- what a bunch of laughable hicks&quot;).  I have the feeling that any resulting pain is going to be felt far more keenly by Kansans than those of us opposed to teaching I.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>For everyone bashing on Kansas, check this out. Besides having large classroom sizes, poor funding, and failing infrastructure, Kansas students and schools are not only in the top 10 in the US, but quickly improving.</i></p>

	<p><i>So for all you ID hata&#8217;s out there, painful isn&#8217;t it ? They&#8217;re learning ID and are smarter than your kids ;)</i></p>

	<p>But the high-performance of Kansas K-12 schools (assuming the facts in that link are legit) is something that virtually nobody outside Kansas knows about.  The I.D. fiasco, on the other hand, is known everywhere and is going to completely dominate the image of education in Kansas outside the state itself (and that image is going to be, &#8220;Kansas&#8212;what a bunch of laughable hicks&#8221;).  I have the feeling that any resulting pain is going to be felt far more keenly by Kansans than those of us opposed to teaching I.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Faded Glory &#187; Yep, that&#8217;s right. I live in Kansas. Why are you laughing?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Faded Glory &#187; Yep, that&#8217;s right. I live in Kansas. Why are you laughing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, it happened again. The state in which Mister Faded Glory currently resides has taken yet another step down the, uh, evolutionary chain. (Nice comment on No. 3 here also.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Well, it happened again. The state in which Mister Faded Glory currently resides has taken yet another step down the, uh, evolutionary chain. (Nice comment on No. 3 here also.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119821</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For everyone bashing on Kansas, check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nea.org/goodnews/ks01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; out.  Besides having large classroom sizes, poor funding, and failing infrastructure, Kansas students and schools are not only in the top 10 in the US, but quickly improving.

So for all you ID hata&#039;s out there, painful isn&#039;t it ?  They&#039;re learning ID &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; are smarter than your kids ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For everyone bashing on Kansas, check <a href="http://www.nea.org/goodnews/ks01.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> out.  Besides having large classroom sizes, poor funding, and failing infrastructure, Kansas students and schools are not only in the top 10 in the US, but quickly improving.</p>

	<p>So for all you ID hata&#8217;s out there, painful isn&#8217;t it ?  They&#8217;re learning <span class="caps">ID </span><strong>and</strong> are smarter than your kids ;)</p>
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		<title>By: eudoxis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119818</link>
		<dc:creator>eudoxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state board&#039;s actions should leave no doubt that the IDists are about destroying all of science, not just biology.

Steve, if grad students stopped drinking and watching games they might get some work done and graduate in a reasonable amount of time.  Say, 4 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The state board&#8217;s actions should leave no doubt that the IDists are about destroying all of science, not just biology.</p>

	<p>Steve, if grad students stopped drinking and watching games they might get some work done and graduate in a reasonable amount of time.  Say, 4 years.</p>
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		<title>By: abnu</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119816</link>
		<dc:creator>abnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Because, because, because, because, because...&lt;/strong&gt;

Yes, Dorothy, there is a Wizard. The Kansas Board of Education has approved new standards that mandate the teaching of Intelligent Design as scientific theory.

Why, pray tell, is this on Wordlab? It&#039;s an homage to the illuminati at Crooked Timber, a neologist noodling noology, who coined a new word for Intelligent Design as a subject taught in science class: Paleyontology.

bq. Paley is best remembered for his contributions to Christian apologetics. In 1802 he published Natural Theology, or Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity collected from the Appearances of Nature, his last, and, in some respects, his most remarkable book. In this he described the Watchmaker analogy, for which he is probably best known.

And yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Because, because, because, because, because&#8230;</strong></p>

	<p>Yes, Dorothy, there is a Wizard. The Kansas Board of Education has approved new standards that mandate the teaching of Intelligent Design as scientific theory.</p>

	<p>Why, pray tell, is this on Wordlab? It&#8217;s an homage to the illuminati at Crooked Timber, a neologist noodling noology, who coined a new word for Intelligent Design as a subject taught in science class: Paleyontology.</p>

	<blockquote>Paley is best remembered for his contributions to Christian apologetics. In 1802 he published Natural Theology, or Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity collected from the Appearances of Nature, his last, and, in some respects, his most remarkable book. In this he described the Watchmaker analogy, for which he is probably best known.</blockquote>

	<p>And yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119811</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Unfortunately they didn’t adopt my suggestion that science be further redefined to include sitting at home drinking a beer and watching the game on TV.&lt;/i&gt;
Damn, where were you when I was in grad school? Would have been awesome to collect a stipend for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Unfortunately they didn&#8217;t adopt my suggestion that science be further redefined to include sitting at home drinking a beer and watching the game on TV.</i><br />
Damn, where were you when I was in grad school? Would have been awesome to collect a stipend for that.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119810</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live Trofim Lysenko! Down with genetics - bourgeois pseudo-science, whore of capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Long live Trofim Lysenko! Down with genetics &#8211; bourgeois pseudo-science, whore of capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/09/kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-119809</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel for the people who will/do have to teach it. The ID mob is not asking schoolteachers to stand in a biology class and demonstrate that ID is not science. They are expecting the teachers to say that ID is a serious alternative, and that there are holes in Darwin etc etc. 

Lying upon command.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I feel for the people who will/do have to teach it. The ID mob is not asking schoolteachers to stand in a biology class and demonstrate that ID is not science. They are expecting the teachers to say that ID is a serious alternative, and that there are holes in Darwin etc etc.</p>

	<p>Lying upon command.</p>
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